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[AlanC9]

dreamgazer wrote...

Which one?

I guess your first Shep. For my Sheps, that means Control.

Synthesis was right out; it's maybe inevitable, but if so it's unnecessary. Even if organic/synthetic conflict is inevitable too, there's plenty of time to come up with other answers. And Refuse is galactic suicide.

So that leaves Control and Destroy. Might as well take them both at face value; if you don't think Control is really going to work as advertised, you've got no better reason to think that Destroy will work as it's supposed to either.

The upsides of Destroy are that it's more emotionally satisfying, and the Reapers get what they deserve --- and if you don't think the Reapers had enough free will for "deserve" to be a coherent concept, that would mean they should be killed (in her estimate - she destroyed the heretics too). But the downsides are that it's more destructive than Control. Not just synthetics; the relay network will take far longer to repair in this case.

And Shepard's job is to stop the destruction. By any means necessary.

[PsyrenY]

FemShep: Spacer, War Hero Paragon

A childhood on ships made Lisa quite adept with technology. Instead of easy-bake ovens, she got a soldering iron; instead of dolls, circuit boards. She got her first omni-tool at the age of 10, a Cision Mark I. Upon reaching adulthood, the Alliance Navy was a natural fit due to her parents' successful service careers, and the military gave her all the training she needed to hone her talents to a razor's edge.

Her shore leave on Elysium was quite restful... at least, until the massive pirate assault that would later be known as the Skyllian Blitz arrived to sack the peaceful colony. The colonists were outnumbered and outgunned, but determined, and Shepard did more than merely lead them - she overclocked every defensive turret and system the colony had to repel the invaders. Her enhancements stopped the pirates cold, as the undisciplined raiders met far fiercer resistance than they could have ever anticipated. With the SSV Agincourt occupying their air support above, and intelligent placement of the colonists around the empowered automated defenses below, holding the breach on the ground was a snap for Shepard.

Her mother looked on from the crowd as Shepard received the Star of Terra. It was a great honor and all, but she hated standing there for hours not able to even touch her omni-tool. Hopefully they would hurry this ceremony business up so she could get back to tinkering. But the smiling faces of the colonists she saved were her real reward.

Ending Choice: Control (Paragon)

Lisa's appreciation for all things technology meant she understood the Geth and EDI more than almost anyone else could hope too - her eyes saw both the machine and the soul within. Her journey within the Geth consensus fascinated her beyond anything she'd yet experienced. Ideologically, she saw the merits of Synthesis, but ultimately could not bring herself to visit so much change on an unknowing galaxy by herself.

Her keen mind saw the Illusive Man's failure - by focusing on tyranny rather than salvation, by submitting to the very beings he sought to master through his implants, he was doomed before he started. Would the same be true of her? The risk was monumental... but to save the entire galaxy, she had to try - even if it meant giving up her body itself. Hopefully, the knowledge of machine minds she had acquired through her journeys would be enough. She grasped the electrodes firmly; the pain that shot through her was overwhelming, but she focused her mind, will and entire being on one word - "PEACE!"

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 29 avril 2013 - 07:07 .

[Reverendtrigster]

My Shepard took EDI and the Geth at their word when they said (respectively) that ridding the galaxy of the reapers was worth non-functionality and that there can be no more compromise with the old machines.

Them being synthetic and not organic didn't enter into it. If the price had been the total destruction of Earth and the death of 99% of the human race, my Shepard would still have done it. Hell, if it meant the galaxy-wide elimination of all space faring civilizations (as the pre-EC ending appeared to show) then my Shepard would still have done it. It wasn't about saving lives. That's a numbers game. The "ruthless calculus of war" Garrus mentioned. No, it was about allowing those that were left to be free to make their own future, for better or worse.

[Metallica93]

I am extremely happy I made this thread. Fantastic answers, some of the best I've seen on this website. Thanks, everyone!

To quote a spectacular game I played a while ago ("Spec Ops: The Line"): "Home? We can't go home. There's a line men like us have to cross. If we're lucky, we do what's necessary, and then we die."

That quote rang in my ears as I was listening to the Catalyst. Brilliant overlapping *high fives my brain*

My Shepard was a Paragon soldier. He followed the chain of command. Even if he were an Adept or Engineer or Infiltrator, he was still a soldier of the Alliance. No matter what other decisions I made/will make throughout the trilogy, "Destroy" all the time, every time.

Modifié par Metallica93, 29 avril 2013 - 10:42 .

[justafan]

I always played a Shepard who's main goal was to save the galaxy. He happened to be paragon because I believe, and therefor my Shepard believed, it was better to make allies through cooperation rather than force. This is why I saved the Queen, the Destiny Ascention, etc. However, I did make some serious renegade calls along the way because I saw them as the best option. For instance, I destroyed the Heretics, because Legion could not ensure their views would not negatively affect the Geth, making them potentially hostile, while he also believed that the brainwashing was more unethical than destroying the enemy. Similarly, he kept the Collector Base, figuring it was better than someone work on the Tech to defeat the reapers rather than nobody. After all, a future dominated by Cerberus was better than no future at all if helpful data could be extracted.

That being said, my Shepard chose destroy. Like the Heretic and Collector Base decision, it was better to get his hands a little dirty, rather than doom the galaxy in the future. If he thought brainwashing the Heretics, his mortal enemies, was unethical, then there was no way he would ever choose synthesis, and control had too big a chance of backfiring. As for the Catalyst claiming that cohabitation between organics and synthetics is impossible, Shepard has made a living doing the impossible, and if the Geth and Quarians could make peace, the galaxy could do it again.

[Sesshomaru47]

A super nice lady that on occasion would do something moderately psychotic. Like shoot a gas tank to set a Krogan on fire or shoot a conduit because the other choices didn't fit in with her moral compass. But mostly super nice.

[ninjawannabe]

here's what I think of the endings both the good and bad parts (to anyone who hasn't seen them already [***SPOILER ALERT***]):

Control: reapers stop the destruction they're causing, rebuild the mass relays and the citadel to original specs, act as guardians of life and all your allies including the Geth and allied AIs/VIs/synthetics get to live/function as peacefully as possible. The downside to this is that Shepard, no matter how much of a paragon he/she may have been, after a while might end up either continuing the harvest after several millennia watching different species destroy themselves in ways they're unable to, or refuse see;or causing a schism among the reapers and have another conflict with the reapers.
Synthesis: a VERY temporary peace. what would likely happen after a while is death of a large part of the galactic population; possibly from war (if everyone's mind is joined with the reapers there is likely going to be a lot of insanity mixed in there as well), but mainly from the organic half rejecting the new synthetic implants and dying a slow painful death and the reapers ultimately accomplishing their goal or become baffled at the situation of there new organic allies are dying left and right. I never liked the synthesis ending because it was born from a very bad philosophy that at its core is quite insane.
Destroy: the reapers are dead, the galaxy can recover and shepard could possibly live. the downside to this being the downside to every war is the casualties, mainly EDI, the Geth and all synthetics.  I don't view the synthetics as alive, but if you achieve peace between the Geth and Quarians and choose this ending then a lot of the quarians are dead or adversily affected because they had geth upload into there suits, and somehow make it to where they can live without their suits.  The rest of the quarians are back to square one on figuring out how to solve that problem.  the catalyst also said technology will be affected so I think choosing destroy also destroys the VIs that may be crucial in the operation of most technologies in mass effect (starships, weapons, omni-tools, etc.).

Refusal: the Mass Effect team's middle finger to the fans that didn't like there endings.  nuff said.

In short, my Shepard was a peaceful and deadly when he/she needed to be and would choose destroy when he/she wanted to live on to settle down with his/her LI or go help repopulate Thessia if you know what I mean.  when they had no plan to live they chose control.

[Aravius]

ninjawannabe wrote...

here's what I think of the endings both the good and bad parts (to anyone who hasn't seen them already [***SPOILER ALERT***]):

Control: reapers stop the destruction they're causing, rebuild the mass relays and the citadel to original specs, act as guardians of life and all your allies including the Geth and allied AIs/VIs/synthetics get to live/function as peacefully as possible. The downside to this is that Shepard, no matter how much of a paragon he/she may have been, after a while might end up either continuing the harvest after several millennia watching different species destroy themselves in ways they're unable to, or refuse see;or causing a schism among the reapers and have another conflict with the reapers.
Synthesis: a VERY temporary peace. what would likely happen after a while is death of a large part of the galactic population; possibly from war (if everyone's mind is joined with the reapers there is likely going to be a lot of insanity mixed in there as well), but mainly from the organic half rejecting the new synthetic implants and dying a slow painful death and the reapers ultimately accomplishing their goal or become baffled at the situation of there new organic allies are dying left and right. I never liked the synthesis ending because it was born from a very bad philosophy that at its core is quite insane.
Destroy: the reapers are dead, the galaxy can recover and shepard could possibly live. the downside to this being the downside to every war is the casualties, mainly EDI, the Geth and all synthetics.  I don't view the synthetics as alive, but if you achieve peace between the Geth and Quarians and choose this ending then a lot of the quarians are dead or adversily affected because they had geth upload into there suits, and somehow make it to where they can live without their suits.  The rest of the quarians are back to square one on figuring out how to solve that problem.  the catalyst also said technology will be affected so I think choosing destroy also destroys the VIs that may be crucial in the operation of most technologies in mass effect (starships, weapons, omni-tools, etc.).

Refusal: the Mass Effect team's middle finger to the fans that didn't like there endings.  nuff said.

In short, my Shepard was a peaceful and deadly when he/she needed to be and would choose destroy when he/she wanted to live on to settle down with his/her LI or go help repopulate Thessia if you know what I mean.  when they had no plan to live they chose control.

For a minute there I had thought it was me giving the finger to BIOWARE by shooting there wretched Starboy in the head, then I realized the joke was on me.

[AlexMBrennan]

Refuse is immoral since it involves not taking an action which could save lives - having bet everything on the Crucible magically fixing the problem, we are already dead unless it will be used.

The choice between RGB is not a moral one but a question of trust - are you willing to take the cornered big bad's word for them actually being the good guys trying to prevent the tech singularity without a shred of evidence? If so, pick Synthesis and PM me - I've got a bridge to sell.

Do you believe that Shepard would be able to control the Reapers, and that an AI entity based on Shepard would work better than the original AI the Leviathans put in charge of the Reaper fleet despite knowing nothing at all about the process of creating AIs? Then pick Control.

Destroy, on the other hand, I'd obviously a viable solution to the problem at hand - a dead Reaper will not be able to continue killing us.

[as a hypothetical question comparing the outcomes, I'd favor synthesis - control is a police state and the killing in destroy is unnecessary but that is different from the question posed in the game or by OP]