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[AlexMBrennan]

writer wrote Alive and NOT Last Breath. you can twist that in your own head canon. but yeah GAME CANON DICTATES SHEPARD is "ALIVE".

It is not canon if you have to consult an external source such as developer twitter posts or file names.

Secondly, look at the other files - e.g. "Red/blue/green good/bad"... Would you like to argue that the entire epilogue is a lie as well? That there is no synthesis or control but just different colored explosions because the files are not named "synthesis good" and such?

[Yestare7]

Samtheman63 wrote...

it's blatantly obvious that scene is there to imply shepard lives.

It is, Sam.

But some souls find the strength to reason against reason.:mellow:

[Yestare7]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

so i was going through the mass effect folder and found this. yep shep is alive! period!


so what others believing that shepard died at the end of destroy is complete BS. and if you believe shepard died at the end of destroy its just your head canon. and not writers canon, coz in writers canon at the end of destroy shep lives.

so in destroy ending shepard lives! and thats what the writers wrote period.

+1 worth repeating

Modifié par Yestare7, 29 avril 2013 - 10:32 .

[Aaleel]

I'll just leave this here.

[Yestare7]

 



"the LI is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct"

:):)

[Clayless]

Yestare7 wrote...

 



"the LI is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct"

:):)

That's because Shepard is alive when they took their last breath.

Notice the wording in that quote? Lives, not survives? Not ready to believe? Hope that they can be together rather than they get to be together?

Shepard doesn't survive. It's pretty obvious.

[Wynterdust]

If Shepard dies in High EMS Destroy why would they even put that scene? They would have left it out like they did with all the other outcomes where Shepard...you know...died.
It also shows Shep breathing in.... which in any kind of entertainment indicates life.

[Clayless]

Probably to emphasise the fact, and an easter egg for those with a high ems. Because as we learned from the whole ending fiasco (people still somehow thinking the Reapers are synthetics created to stop synthetics by killing everyone, almost all the Catalysts EC dialogue being him repeating things he already said, etc) some things really need to be explained slowly for people. Showing Shepard's last breath solidifies his death.

Modifié par Robosexual, 29 avril 2013 - 11:55 .

[Aaleel]

It's obvious from the scene itself, the quote from the Bioware employee, and honestly common sense about why they would even make that scene that Shepard survives in High EMS destroy.

There would be no need to make two separate memorial wall scenes if it wasn't one for living and one for being dead.

[Cheviot]

Well those filenames are certainly true: you do have to be alive to take a last breath.

[Wynterdust]

By that logic Shep could be alive in any of the other destroy endings since you do not see that scene.

[Aaleel]

Robosexual wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...

 



"the LI is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct"

:):)

That's because Shepard is alive when they took their last breath.

Notice the wording in that quote? Lives, not survives? Not ready to believe? Hope that they can be together rather than they get to be together?

Shepard doesn't survive. It's pretty obvious.

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

[dreamgazer]

Robosexual wrote...

Probably to emphasise the fact, and an easter egg for those with a high ems. Because as we learned from the whole ending fiasco (people still somehow thinking the Reapers are synthetics created to stop synthetics by killing everyone, almost all the Catalysts EC dialogue being him repeating things he already said, etc) some things really need to be explained slowly for people. Showing Shepard's last breath solidifies his death.

You're seriously suggesting that the most difficult thing to obtain in the ending of a video game is confirmation of the protagonist's death?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 30 avril 2013 - 12:25 .

[Clayless]

Aaleel wrote...

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

Lived through the accident, as in he survived?

Rather than he was alive for a short while after, or lives for a short while after?

Notice the difference?

dreamgazer wrote...

You're seriously suggesting that the most difficult thing to obtain in the ending of a video game is confirmation of the protagonist's death?

There are many games where the most difficult to obtain thing is confirmation of the protagonist's death. There's a game that came out this year where that very thing happens for example.

Modifié par Robosexual, 30 avril 2013 - 12:31 .

[MegaSovereign]

Robosexual wrote...

Probably to emphasise the fact, and an easter egg for those with a high ems. Because as we learned from the whole ending fiasco (people still somehow thinking the Reapers are synthetics created to stop synthetics by killing everyone, almost all the Catalysts EC dialogue being him repeating things he already said, etc) some things really need to be explained slowly for people. Showing Shepard's last breath solidifies his death.

So, according to you, the breath scene is actually a condescending way to announce Shepard's death?

[Aaleel]

Robosexual wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

Lived through the accident, as in he survived?

Rather than he was alive for a short while after, or lives for a short while after?

Notice the difference?

Alive for a short while or lived for a short while is your assumption.  Shepard lived through the destroy ending just like the person in the example lived through the car accident.  I mean honestly the definition of live IIRC is not being dead or remaining alive.

Modifié par Aaleel, 30 avril 2013 - 12:32 .

[spirosz]

Kunari801 wrote...

It's up to your own head canon at that point. For me? Yes, Shepard survived

[Cheviot]

Aaleel wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

Lived through the accident, as in he survived?

Rather than he was alive for a short while after, or lives for a short while after?

Notice the difference?

Alive for a short while or lived for a short while is your assumption.  Shepard lived through the destroy ending.  I mean honestly the definition of live IIRC is not being dead or remaining alive.

Shepard is alive for the duration of that breath.  After that, it's all assumption.

[AresKeith]

Robosexual wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You're seriously suggesting that the most difficult thing to obtain in the ending of a video game is confirmation of the protagonist's death?

There are many games where the most difficult to obtain thing is confirmation of the protagonist's death. There's a game that came out this year where that very thing happens for example.

What game?

[spirosz]

On a side note, realistically and from what the scene before hand showed - Shepard couldn't survive that blast, unless - well ****, never say never, but from a realistic viewpoint, it's unlikely, but from a fantasy, headcannon viewpoint, I'm more than willing to have Shepard take Jack dancing. I'd rather focus on the positives, then dread myself in that constant negative circles that relate to that particular ending.

Modifié par spirosz, 30 avril 2013 - 12:34 .

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

On a side note, realistically and from what the scene before hand showed - Shepard couldn't survive that blast, unless - well ****, never say never, but from a realistic viewpoint, it's unlikely, but from a fantasy, headcannon viewpoint, I'm more than willing to have Shepard take Jack dancing. I'd rather focus on the positives, then dread myself in that constant negative circles that relate to that particular ending.

. In a universe where Symthesis can occur through its gratuitous magic usage, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief to surviving an explosion.

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You're seriously suggesting that the most difficult thing to obtain in the ending of a video game is confirmation of the protagonist's death?

There are many games where the most difficult to obtain thing is confirmation of the protagonist's death. There's a game that came out this year where that very thing happens for example.

What game?

I probably should have worded that differently. Any game where the protagonist dies at the end could fall into that camp.

[christrek1982]

Modifié par christrek1982, 30 avril 2013 - 12:38 .

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

On a side note, realistically and from what the scene before hand showed - Shepard couldn't survive that blast, unless - well ****, never say never, but from a realistic viewpoint, it's unlikely, but from a fantasy, headcannon viewpoint, I'm more than willing to have Shepard take Jack dancing. I'd rather focus on the positives, then dread myself in that constant negative circles that relate to that particular ending.

. In a universe where Symthesis can occur through its gratuitous magic usage, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief to surviving an explosion.

Fair point indeed. 

[Clayless]

Aaleel wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

Lived through the accident, as in he survived?

Rather than he was alive for a short while after, or lives for a short while after?

Notice the difference?

Alive for a short while or lived for a short while is your assumption.  Shepard lived through the destroy ending.  I mean honestly the definition of live IIRC is not being dead or remaining alive.

"Alive", the file name, means not being dead. Shepard wasn't dead when he took his last breath, Shepard was alive in that scene.

It's referred to as "Shepard lives" by the Bioware employee, it's what they titled that scene, but the rest of his post "not ready to believe he's dead (AKA believes he's alive)" further emphasises the whole "Alive" aspect, rather that what you're saying, which is "Survives". Even lives is different from lived, the tense suggests two completely different things.

Sure, Shepard is alive when he takes his last breath, but it's still his last breath.