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[Usefull_idiot]

Hazegurl wrote...

I don't need files to prove my Shep is alive. His friend's didn't leave him behind so he's relaxing in his badass apt with Kaidan burning up steaks.

Yeah?  Well my Shep is burning up blunts..

[christrek1982]

Robosexual wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

Lived through the accident, as in he survived?

Rather than he was alive for a short while after, or lives for a short while after?

Notice the difference?

dreamgazer wrote...

You're seriously suggesting that the most difficult thing to obtain in the ending of a video game is confirmation of the protagonist's death?

There are many games where the most difficult to obtain thing is confirmation of the protagonist's death. There's a game that came out this year where that very thing happens for example.

wow splitting hairs much I find the whole thing weak and we did need  something a bit stronger but the intent was there and plain to see. so  all I can think is you are arguing for the sake of arguing

Modifié par christrek1982, 30 avril 2013 - 12:40 .

[Astartes Marine]

Robosexual wrote...
Sure, Shepard is alive when he takes his last breath, but it's still his last breath.

You're interpreting it as his last breath, and trying to push it as fact.

[Aaleel]

Robosexual wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Person 1: Answers the phone
Person 2: OMG I heard your son was in a terrible car accident, is he OK?
Person 1: It was terrible, just terrible you should see the car, but by the grace of God he lived through the accident.
Person 2: Oh, you have my condolences.
Person 1: , For what...why, I just told you my son lived through the accident.
Person 2: Yeah, but you didn't say that he survived afterwards, so I assumed he was dead.
Person 1:

I know this sounds ridiculous.

Lived through the accident, as in he survived?

Rather than he was alive for a short while after, or lives for a short while after?

Notice the difference?

Alive for a short while or lived for a short while is your assumption.  Shepard lived through the destroy ending.  I mean honestly the definition of live IIRC is not being dead or remaining alive.

"Alive", the file name, means not being dead. Shepard wasn't dead when he took his last breath, Shepard was alive in that scene.

It's referred to as "Shepard lives" by the Bioware employee, it's what they titled that scene, but the rest of his post "not ready to believe he's dead (AKA believes he's alive)" further emphasises the whole "Alive" aspect, rather that what you're saying, which is "Survives". Even lives is different from lived, the tense suggests two completely different things.

Sure, Shepard is alive when he takes his last breath, but it's still his last breath.

This is your assumption for whatever reason, but there is no evidence of this in the game itself.  The last thing you see is Shepard alive.  You're free to believe whatever you want.  I'm beginning to think that was Bioware's plan all along.  They knew they couldn't satisfy everyone so they made the ending in a way that people could get whatever they want out of it in their own head.

Modifié par Aaleel, 30 avril 2013 - 12:43 .

[Clayless]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Sure, Shepard is alive when he takes his last breath, but it's still his last breath.

You're interpreting it as his last breath, and trying to push it as fact.

Like how some people interpret it as him surviving, and try to push it as fact.

[Astartes Marine]

Robosexual wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Sure, Shepard is alive when he takes his last breath, but it's still his last breath.

You're interpreting it as his last breath, and trying to push it as fact.

Like how some people interpret it as him surviving, and try to push it as fact.

Speculation is good right? 

[Tron Mega]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

it would be pretty pointless to have a scene showing that shepard survived only for him/her to die right after.

So why half ass the scene? Would it really have been that hard to have 5 more seconds of footage showing Shepard getting out?

they did that with ME1 and it worked pretty gol dang well, but unfortunately ME3 isnt for people who liked ME1.

[Argolas]

Shepard is alive.

In a story, hints presented in a certain way qualify as absolute proof which they wouldn't be in real life. If the hero is assumed dead, but in one outcome the plate on the memorial wall is not put up while it is in all others while at the same time we see a glimpse of said hero alive that isn't there in every other outcome, the hero survives that particular one. I don't know whoever came up with that "open for interpretation" bullcrap, but it was sure as hell not the one who wrote those scenes.

[dreamgazer]

Tron Mega wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

it would be pretty pointless to have a scene showing that shepard survived only for him/her to die right after.

So why half ass the scene? Would it really have been that hard to have 5 more seconds of footage showing Shepard getting out?

they did that with ME1 and it worked pretty gol dang well, but unfortunately ME3 isnt for people who liked ME1.

It also would throw off the balance between the endings' supporters and, obviously, tamper with some alternate headcanon. 

[jtav]

The breath scene strikes me as very much an "oh, fine" moment. Someone wanted Shep dead in every ending, but they couldn't get away with it, and tacked on the bare minimum.

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...

The breath scene strikes me as very much an "oh, fine" moment. Someone wanted Shep dead in every ending, but they couldn't get away with it, and tacked on the bare minimum.

. Unfortunately that's exactly what it seems like.

[spirosz]

I think they sort of had it in mind, but the execution of the scene itself, can be seen as "tacked on", but I believe that the implications of Destroy itself, has that "survive, but at what cost" sort of vibe. Or.... die because... uh, no closure in that scene and wanting to leave it for "speculation."

[AresKeith]

jtav wrote...

The breath scene strikes me as very much an "oh, fine" moment. Someone wanted Shep dead in every ending, but they couldn't get away with it, and tacked on the bare minimum.

That's what I saw it as

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'll actually agree with robo(hell's freezing over as I type) to the extent that I see the breath scene as Shep's last breath solely on the basis that I don't find what s/he just went through to be survivable for long and I don't believe adequate help will arrive in time.

However (maybe hell will stop freezing now) the official line from Bioware post EC is that you can interpret it how you want(yes they backtracked from the original line of Shep surviving). So while to me Shepard dying is the only logical conclusion, it is far from narrative fact which at this point is effectively "Just go with what you like and please stop yelling at the writers."

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Who is Evidence Shepard?

The Clone.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 30 avril 2013 - 01:49 .

[spirosz]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'll actually agree with robo(hell's freezing over as I type) to the extent that I see the breath scene as Shep's last breath solely on the basis that I don't find what s/he just went through to be survivable for long and I don't believe adequate help will arrive in time.

However (maybe hell will stop freezing now) the official line from Bioware post EC is that you can interpret it how you want(yes they backtracked from the original line of Shep surviving). So while to me Shepard dying is the only logical conclusion, it is far from narrative fact which at this point is effectively "Just go with what you like and please stop yelling at the writers."

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Who is Evidence Shepard?

The Clone.

Basically.  

[Modius Prime]

I fail to see why BW even added that breath scene. The ending was a mess and there are so many reasons why I think it would be impossible for Shepard to survive destroying the conduit+half the Citadel. I think he should have just died in all of the endings, unless BW expanded upon it. They tried to make the ending so mind-blowing that they lost their minds in the process; I would have liked it better if it was just a simple ending with proper closure (not just slides >.>) - or if destroyers got a rescue mission for Shepard/idk.

[webhead921]

Argolas wrote...

Shepard is alive.

In a story, hints presented in a certain way qualify as absolute proof which they wouldn't be in real life. If the hero is assumed dead, but in one outcome the plate on the memorial wall is not put up while it is in all others while at the same time we see a glimpse of said hero alive that isn't there in every other outcome, the hero survives that particular one. I don't know whoever came up with that "open for interpretation" bullcrap, but it was sure as hell not the one who wrote those scenes.

Thank you!  This guy gets it.  Why differentiate High EMS Destroy from the other endings (i.e. the love interest smiling and not putting up the name on the memorial wall, the breath scene) if it isn't going to mean anything?  If the writers wanted to tell the audience that Shepard died, they would have had the same memorial scene as control, synthesis, and low ems destroy.  I don't really see this as being open to interpretation.  Still, whatever happens after the breath scene is whatever the player imagines.  Shepard lives, is picked up by Alliance rescure workers, and is eventually reunited with his/her love interest.  That's how my story ends.  If your story ends with Shepard dead in a pile or rubble, that's up to you.

[Artifex_Imperius]

Robosexual wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Robosexual wrote...
Sure, Shepard is alive when he takes his last breath, but it's still his last breath.

You're interpreting it as his last breath, and trying to push it as fact.

Like how some people interpret it as him surviving, and try to push it as fact.

WTF! what does it write DEAD or ALIVE? simple answer me pls NO ****ING SPECULATION. WHAT DOES IT WRITE?
DEAD OR ALIVE? what does it write?
ANSWER PLS? DEAD or ALIVE? what is the file name?

so you are the one saying his dead and you are the one speculating. wtf!

[Yestare7]

Robosexual wrote...

That's because Shepard is alive when they took their last breath.

Notice the wording in that quote? Lives, not survives? Not ready to believe? Hope that they can be together rather than they get to be together?

Shepard doesn't survive. It's pretty obvious.

Everyone take a deep breath. (!)  Robosexual is obviously trolling us.

Modifié par Yestare7, 30 avril 2013 - 06:12 .

[Yestare7]

Robosexual wrote...

 some things really need to be explained slowly for people.

And condescending as well.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

jtav wrote...

The breath scene strikes me as very much an "oh, fine" moment. Someone wanted Shep dead in every ending, but they couldn't get away with it, and tacked on the bare minimum.

Someone = Mac Walters

Overruled by - Casey Hudson -- "How about we have Shepard and a rescue worker do a wrist grab and end it there, like in this drawing? Yeah. I'd like that. People who played the game and did everything deserve it."

Someone - "No. It's too much. Next thing you know they're going to want to milk Shepard to death. I want to start a lead character of my own."

"Okay, fine." - Tacked on Breath Scene.

[Clayless]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Like how some people interpret it as him surviving, and try to push it as fact.

WTF! what does it write DEAD or ALIVE? simple answer me pls NO ****ING SPECULATION. WHAT DOES IT WRITE?
DEAD OR ALIVE? what does it write?
ANSWER PLS? DEAD or ALIVE? what is the file name?

so you are the one saying his dead and you are the one speculating. wtf!

See here:

Robosexual wrote...

"Alive" is vastly different from "survives".

Yestare7 wrote...

Everyone take a deep breath. (!)  Robosexual is obviously trolling us.

No I'm not. I'll just put a stop to any thoughts that I am here.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

I have been saying this since the EC came out.

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