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Is There a Petition Against Homosexuality in Bioware Games?


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#51
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sandalisthemaker wrote...

Dark Korsar wrote...

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and after him Anders wanted to another bearded lover like Hawke:D


And he got one when both your M!Hawke and my M!Hawke romanced him. 

I would prefer another character for Anders romance
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because sometimes a cat is fine too:devil:

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 27 avril 2013 - 07:03 .


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*Sigh* I never understood why people care what others do in their life. I personally have no problem with someones sexually. It's not my place to dictate or judge how others live their life, but it seems some people don't have lives of their own so they must manage others lives.

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Comparing homosexuality to cinematics is a poor comparison, because cinematics isn't a condition with which human beings are born.

I'd rather say we compare it to putting a female in the game, or a character who is black, or blind, or a hermaphrodite, or who - hell, I don't know - talks with a very, very deep voice. Those are all things that people are born with - they did not choose to be or have any of those things, just as homosexuals do not choose what they're physically attracted to.

The reason people get upset about threads like this is because it perpetuates the notion that homosexuality is a poor "choice". True, the game designers can choose to make a character homosexual, but in real life a homosexual does not have this choice. And what with more gays coming out, asking for normalcy, acceptance, and integration into everyday society (including video games), to gripe about the reality of them existing in video games is parallel to griping about females or ethnicity in video games. It's offensive and rightly so, because it insists on exclusivity. "Straights only - or don't ask, don't tell." Give me a break...

Think of it in these terms: Women exist. The designers put them in games. Deal with it. A variety of ethnicities exist. Designers put them in games also. Deal with it. And the same can be said for homosexuals placed in video games....

Besides, I think the devs are pretty casual about it. It's not like they have the homosexuals in these games marching down the street, waving their pride flags. Sheesh.

Modifié par The Wolf Man, 27 avril 2013 - 07:07 .


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Jorkan wrote...

 Google just comes up with pro-gay links.


I wish there was a petition against romance in Bioware games full stop, because I'd sign that ****.

Also why is everyone reporting op instead of answering the question?

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Would you report someone for asking about a petition against cinematics?

Such a petition would be pointless, but asking about it hardly warrants reporting the guy.

I don't get the immediate negative reaction.


Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious, but it seems pretty likely that you are. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the only reason a thread like this exists is for one of the following reasons. The OP is...
  • An attention-seeking troll.
  • A homophobic bigot.
  • All of the above.
I think anyone who's been here a while knows that threads like these are generally intended to stir up trouble, and I'm guessing  that the OP is just a troll.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 27 avril 2013 - 07:10 .


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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Would you report someone for asking about a petition against cinematics?

Such a petition would be pointless, but asking about it hardly warrants reporting the guy.

I don't get the immediate negative reaction.


Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious, but it seems pretty likely that you are. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the only reason a thread like this exists is for one of the following reasons. The OP is...
  • An attention-seeking troll.
  • A homophobic bigot.
  • All of the above.
I think anyone who's been here a while knows that threads like these are generally intended to stir up trouble, and I'm guessing  that the OP is just a troll.


This.

It's a tactic.

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I believe this is in the wrong forum as it doesn't really relate to only Dragon Age.

But to my knowledge, the answer is no.

Also, to everyone who is reporting the TC : reporting for asking a question? lol.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Would you report someone for asking about a petition against cinematics?

Such a petition would be pointless, but asking about it hardly warrants reporting the guy.

I don't get the immediate negative reaction.


Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious, but it seems pretty likely that you are. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the only reason a thread like this exists is for one of the following reasons. The OP is...
  • An attention-seeking troll.
  • A homophobic bigot.
  • All of the above.
I think anyone who's been here a while knows that threads like these are generally intended to stir up trouble, and I'm guessing  that the OP is just a troll.

Or they really might be genuine.

We really need a report button for oversensitive people.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 27 avril 2013 - 07:16 .


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And just when I thought we can go a month without a homosexual thread. It's 3 days left, too.

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(sighs) Why are we posting in this thread again if that's the case?

I really don't care as long as the game doesn't keep shoving it in my face or make a big deal out of it. And I'd rather not get rivalry just for my character turning down a gay person. It's an option. Just leave it at that.

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Dark Korsar wrote...

 i very understand people about this after i play DA 2

their relation sistem was very wrong and cheep, DA:O was better


Not really, be nice long enough and they'd ask you to sleep with them. Hell even if you are in a relationship, they'll come over and act like your cheating on them despite never romancing them.

So, no the relation system hasn't really changed at all its not good, in DA:O or DA2.

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I think posting in the thread that we shouldn't post in the thread is counterproductive to the motive conveyed....

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almostinsane99 wrote...

(sighs) Why are we posting in this thread again if that's the case?

I really don't care as long as the game doesn't keep shoving it in my face or make a big deal out of it. And I'd rather not get rivalry just for my character turning down a gay person. It's an option. Just leave it at that.


Alright, it really annoys me when people keep saying that it's being "shoved in their face."
Heterosexuality is shoved in my face every single day. Do I throw a hissy fit about it? No.
So get over it.

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Dark Korsar wrote...

Zevran from DA:O was much better and funny and we even may kill or drive away him if we not like him

The guy who goes from "about to die" to "obviously gay and flirting with you" in the very first dialogue you have with him?
Sorry, but he reminded me a lot of this fellow:
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I'll agree that the character interaction you can have with him was good, thouch.

Modifié par Sauruz, 27 avril 2013 - 07:33 .


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@Sandal

What annoys me is people shoving words in my mouth. What I meant is that once I turn down a gay character, I don't want to be hit on again. Look at my previous posts on this topic before accusing me of throwing a "hissy fit".

I don't really care about it being in-game or not.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 27 avril 2013 - 07:35 .


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almostinsane99 wrote...

@Sandal

What annoys me is people shoving words in my mouth. What I meant is that once I turn down a gay character, I don't want to be hit on again. Look at my previous posts on this topic before accusing me of throwing a "hissy fit".

I don't really care about it being in-game or not.


The thread topic is about homosexuality in general, not about turning down a gay character.
So naturally I thought the "it being shoved in my face" was referring to homosexuality.
And Anders doesn't keep hitting on you.
And a 5 point disposition drop is not a big deal.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 27 avril 2013 - 07:44 .


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^^

Ah, I got it. Well, then, I would like to clarify that it meant Bioware going beyond what it currently does in its games. I meant to give an example what would be shoving it in my face.

Good storytelling and no rivalry for rejecting a companion, any companion, is what I want. Cortez, for example, was a well-written character and you weren't punished for watching the dancers in Afterlife.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 27 avril 2013 - 07:48 .


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almostinsane99 wrote...

@Sandal

What annoys me is people shoving words in my mouth. What I meant is that once I turn down a gay character, I don't want to be hit on again. Look at my previous posts on this topic before accusing me of throwing a "hissy fit".

I don't really care about it being in-game or not.


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Modifié par Dabrikishaw, 27 avril 2013 - 07:55 .


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almostinsane99 wrote...

^^

Ah, I got it. Well, then, I would like to clarify that it meant Bioware going beyond what it currently does in its games. I meant to give an example what would be shoving it in my face.

Good storytelling and no rivalry for rejecting a companion, any companion, is what I want. Cortez, for example, was a well-written character and you weren't punished for watching the dancers in Afterlife.


I'm curious.
What do you mean by "Bioware going beyond what it currently does"?


In regards to Steve not "punishing" you:
Besides the fact that there is no friendship/rivalry meter in ME, I also attribute this to the fact that Cortez is a very friendly, laid back character- where as Anders is very whiny. The disposition drop makes sense for Anders. I think you touched on this in you previous posts.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 27 avril 2013 - 07:56 .


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True, Anders is whiny. I suppose I shouldn't hold it against Bioware.

As for your first statement.. I don't know. Don't want to go into real world issues in the games; there's enough of that in real life. Don't want it taking over the plot of the game. Basically, I like the tried and true Bioware formula. I'm hesitant about changing it. But, I don't think we're in any danger of that happening.

Basically, I just want to enjoy the game. Romance is an important part, but only a part.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 27 avril 2013 - 08:05 .


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Cortez is an infinitely better-written (and generally better-executed) gay character than anything else Bioware has had in their most recent games.
I don't know, but the way Anders hits on you in DA2 always struck me as odd - especially since it happens regardless of your gender. Like he isn't actually attracted to you, but it's more like some weird "latching onto a stronger person"-thing, you know? I never did romance him, so I have little to go from.

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Giga Drill BREAKER

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I still don't understand why OP was reported.

#74
Battlebloodmage

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Sauruz wrote...

Cortez is an infinitely better-written (and generally better-executed) gay character than anything else Bioware has had in their most recent games.
I don't know, but the way Anders hits on you in DA2 always struck me as odd - especially since it happens regardless of your gender. Like he isn't actually attracted to you, but it's more like some weird "latching onto a stronger person"-thing, you know? I never did romance him, so I have little to go from.

I believe Mr. Gaider stated that Fenris was written with a gay romance in mind, but no one ever mentions him when talking about gay romance. :lol:

Anyway, Kaidan also hit on Shepard at the hospital, and I find it refreshing that gay LI can initiate the flirt and not just the straight ones. I believe that Cortez didn't hit on you shouldn't be the main reason why his romance is superior to Kaidan, Anders, or Fenris. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 27 avril 2013 - 08:12 .


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Hmm... Good point. I don't mind being hit on. Just being punished for not hitting on back.

But then, that was just Anders and he's a whiny jerk. That's why I like Cortez better. That and Cortez is a good human being.

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Modifié par almostinsane99, 27 avril 2013 - 08:16 .