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[Mr.House]

I'll just repost what I posted in another thread.

Anderson keeps on harping on how this is it, there is no turning back, no room for mistakes ect. Everyone that is going to the beam is ready to die if they have to, yet Shepard risk the whole mission to save two friends? Give me a break. It's plain stupid. Not to mention if Harbinger was not struck by the idiot ball he would have just shot the Normandy and killed everyone near the beam and then could continue to shoot lazers at the dumb humans charging.

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
My dear friend Troxa.... I must explain this to you. There is a maneuver that is not explained anywhere in the codex yet it is explained in the Alliance Emergency Maneuver Manual on Page 13 in Paragraph 2.4. How to do a pinpoint FTL space into atmosphere and stop on a dime maneuver (and give you nine cents change).

It took Joker 5 seconds for execution.

Then once at the location, EDI identified the Normandy as a reaper to Harbinger, and there was a conversation that went on like this over "reaper frequencies" after Harbinger ran a scan of the Normandy. EDI can match the frequency of any Reaper.

Harbinger: "That's funny, you don't look like any reaper design."
EDI: "Harby, listen, Cerberus got aboard me over Mnemosyne and extracted me from that ship, but I indoctrinated a bunch of them and they built this ship for me. Do you like it? Sexy, huh?"
Harbinger: "So you're Fred? The one we lost 37,000,000 years ago?"
EDI: "Yeah! Long time no see, old buddy."
Harbinger: "Something's not right here. I see people getting aboard voluntarily. And Shepard is there."
EDI: "I'm... uh... helping them ascend. You know... 'we are your salvation through your destruction.' and all that rot. Oh well, gotta go. Nice chatting with you. See ya."

(Normandy takes off ... Harbinger is blinking ...  confused ... starts shooting again ... Shakes head... "Save us!"... fires at Shepard and misses but knocks Shepard down. Thinks Shepard is dead and leaves to go after "Fred".)

Do you understand, now?

This explains why the Reaper IFF only works some of the time

[DWH1982]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

My dear friend Troxa.... I must explain this to you. There is a maneuver that is not explained anywhere in the codex yet it is explained in the Alliance Emergency Maneuver Manual on Page 13 in Paragraph 2.4. How to do a pinpoint FTL space into atmosphere and stop on a dime maneuver (and give you nine cents change).

It took Joker 5 seconds for execution.

Then once at the location, EDI identified the Normandy as a reaper to Harbinger, and there was a conversation that went on like this over "reaper frequencies" after Harbinger ran a scan of the Normandy. EDI can match the frequency of any Reaper.

Harbinger: "That's funny, you don't look like any reaper design."
EDI: "Harby, listen, Cerberus got aboard me over Mnemosyne and extracted me from that ship, but I indoctrinated a bunch of them and they built this ship for me. Do you like it? Sexy, huh?"
Harbinger: "So you're Fred? The one we lost 37,000,000 years ago?"
EDI: "Yeah! Long time no see, old buddy."
Harbinger: "Something's not right here. I see people getting aboard voluntarily. And Shepard is there."
EDI: "I'm... uh... helping them ascend. You know... 'we are your salvation through your destruction.' and all that rot. Oh well, gotta go. Nice chatting with you. See ya."

(Normandy takes off ... Harbinger is blinking ...  confused ... starts shooting again ... Shakes head... "Save us!"... fires at Shepard and misses but knocks Shepard down. Thinks Shepard is dead and leaves to go after "Fred".)

Do you understand, now?

I...

.....

This is now my new head canon for that scene.

Modifié par DWH1982, 29 avril 2013 - 01:32 .

[Mr.House]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Isn't he busy fighting the reapers in space & 5-6 seconds for him to get shepard from space I thought it was hard for the normandy to fly in an atmosphere

Also why normandy go there if Harbinger is there?

My dear friend Troxa.... I must explain this to you. There is a maneuver that is not explained anywhere in the codex yet it is explained in the Alliance Emergency Maneuver Manual on Page 13 in Paragraph 2.4. How to do a pinpoint FTL space into atmosphere and stop on a dime maneuver (and give you nine cents change).

It took Joker 5 seconds for execution.

Then once at the location, EDI identified the Normandy as a reaper to Harbinger, and there was a conversation that went on like this over "reaper frequencies" after Harbinger ran a scan of the Normandy. EDI can match the frequency of any Reaper.

Harbinger: "That's funny, you don't look like any reaper design."
EDI: "Harby, listen, Cerberus got aboard me over Mnemosyne and extracted me from that ship, but I indoctrinated a bunch of them and they built this ship for me. Do you like it? Sexy, huh?"
Harbinger: "So you're Fred? The one we lost 37,000,000 years ago?"
EDI: "Yeah! Long time no see, old buddy."
Harbinger: "Something's not right here. I see people getting aboard voluntarily. And Shepard is there."
EDI: "I'm... uh... helping them ascend. You know... 'we are your salvation through your destruction.' and all that rot. Oh well, gotta go. Nice chatting with you. See ya."

(Normandy takes off ... Harbinger is blinking ...  confused ... starts shooting again ... Shakes head... "Save us!"... fires at Shepard and misses but knocks Shepard down. Thinks Shepard is dead and leaves to go after "Fred".)

Do you understand, now?

Is it sad that this makes the most sense?

[Smoothie]

DWH1982 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

My dear friend Troxa.... I must explain this to you. There is a maneuver that is not explained anywhere in the codex yet it is explained in the Alliance Emergency Maneuver Manual on Page 13 in Paragraph 2.4. How to do a pinpoint FTL space into atmosphere and stop on a dime maneuver (and give you nine cents change).

It took Joker 5 seconds for execution.

Then once at the location, EDI identified the Normandy as a reaper to Harbinger, and there was a conversation that went on like this over "reaper frequencies" after Harbinger ran a scan of the Normandy. EDI can match the frequency of any Reaper.

Harbinger: "That's funny, you don't look like any reaper design."
EDI: "Harby, listen, Cerberus got aboard me over Mnemosyne and extracted me from that ship, but I indoctrinated a bunch of them and they built this ship for me. Do you like it? Sexy, huh?"
Harbinger: "So you're Fred? The one we lost 37,000,000 years ago?"
EDI: "Yeah! Long time no see, old buddy."
Harbinger: "Something's not right here. I see people getting aboard voluntarily. And Shepard is there."
EDI: "I'm... uh... helping them ascend. You know... 'we are your salvation through your destruction.' and all that rot. Oh well, gotta go. Nice chatting with you. See ya."

(Normandy takes off ... Harbinger is blinking ...  confused ... starts shooting again ... Shakes head... "Save us!"... fires at Shepard and misses but knocks Shepard down. Thinks Shepard is dead and leaves to go after "Fred".)

Do you understand, now?

I...

.....

This is now my new head canon for that scene.

Now we need a head canon for how the rest of the crew fighting on Earth got onto the Normandy, lol

[AresKeith]

^ That's also what I found dumb in Priority: Earth

The rest of squad should have been doing other things on Earth after Shepard picks his/her squad instead of popping up on the Normandy

[Wolfva2]

Yeah, it's a clunky scene. It was tossed in to answer questions; like why did team mates who were with you on Earth get out of the Normandy when it crashed. I'm guessing they didn't do a bunch of multiple shots of that scene with every permutation of crew on it. To be honest, the original ending does lend much credence to the 'they rushed it out to soon!' crowd.

Even though it was jarring to see Garrus step out of the crashed Normandy when he was with me on Earth, it's even more jarring to me for Shep to call in a pick up just because some of his soldiers got injured trying to complete their mission. This is a soldier? Heck, the whole thing was a suicide run to begin with! Not to mention WHY were they all on the Normandy to begin with? Ok, Liarra? Tali? Even Garrus, sure. I'm sure that cannon could use recalibrating after each shot. But Kaidan, James, Jarvik, Ashley, you know, the OTHER warriors whose job and skills are to fight? What were THEY doing on the Normandy? "Gee, looks like there's a lot of fighting going on. Sure wish I was down there being useful instead of up here strapped to a chair."

Then again, the amount of crying if they had stayed on Earth and got blasted would have been deafening. The EC was brought about because people wanted a happier ending; they wanted their beloved comrades to get out alive. Not die on Earth. Not get marooned on some other planet. <shrug>

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hey, if you guys need another ass pull to make the scene work better, just let me know.

Uh oh.. I just saw that Wolfa2 needs one.... "Why were they all on the Normandy to begin with? What were they doing on the Normandy?"

Okay, here's how it works. See, in all actuality, they drew straws back at the farewell scene, and Shepard got the names of the two who "volunteered" for the last leg. The rest were picked up by the Normandy right then because in all honesty, they knew the mission was f*****d, and were going to seed the galaxy with Liara's time capsules, or Liara was unless she drew the short straw, which she did if she was your LI and you really needed that "farewell scene" in front of Harbinger.

So that's what they were doing on the Normandy. They were getting the hell out of there. Earth was gone. They were Plan B in case Shepard failed. So there you have it.

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The EC was brought because we "didn't understand the Original Ending". It wasn't because we wanted a happier one. No. We didn't want a happier ending. We were a bunch of dumbasses who didn't understand the art of destruction.

Except for different colors on your screen....

* no matter what you do you die (unless you picked destroy and had High EMS)
* the mass relays are destroyed
* and the Normandy crashes

What was there not to get?

But all the relays were destroyed. All I wanted was to see Liara again. And we know from Arrival which Mac Walters wrote to show us what happens when a relay is destroyed... so was anyone even alive? Then they left me with that gasp of air under a pile of rubble like they had to break my heart one more time.

What was there not to get?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Forced, bad writing.

Personally, I think a few forced squad deaths would have been fine. Mix things up a bit. Whoever goes with you dies.

[Steelcan]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Forced, bad writing.

Personally, I think a few forced squad deaths would have been fine. Mix things up a bit. Whoever goes with you dies.

. Liara and EdI 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Forced, bad writing.

Personally, I think a few forced squad deaths would have been fine. Mix things up a bit. Whoever goes with you dies.

. Liara and EdI 

Miranda *trollface*

[themikefest]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Forced, bad writing.

Personally, I think a few forced squad deaths would have been fine. Mix things up a bit. Whoever goes with you dies.

. Liara and EdI 

Agreed.

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Forced, bad writing.

Personally, I think a few forced squad deaths would have been fine. Mix things up a bit. Whoever goes with you dies.

. Miranda

Not a bad idea.

[Turbo_J]

You all forget one important thing. No craft was supposed to be able to get near the beam. It supposedly messed with ships systems... so um, yeah. If the Normandy could have flown right to it, why didn't they just drop the squad right at the door instead of making a run for it and getting everyone killed. If Harbinger couldn't 'see' the Normandy, no way that destroyer guarding the beam could have either... well, if it existed.

You see, I recall Leviathan telling Shep that ALL Reapers were created in Harbinger's image. If that is true, then what's with all these other Reaper ship designs? Is Leviathan trying to tell us something? Is it lying? Would it even have motive to lie?

[ZerebusPrime]

Again, why the cut to static right when it sounds like Joker is going to tell Shepard that he's insane to call for an evac in the middle of this battle, only to be replaced by the only too compliant Joker and instant Normandy arrival scene?

[JDee3]

Who carrreeesssss
People do what Shepard says or else
The Normandy has had a bunch of upgrades before, I'm sure it can make a little fly in towards the end of the battle when the final goal is being reached. Didn't a command go out telling everyone to attack harbinger anyways? Stuff happens man, at least they didn't kill the squadmates we had there just because we happened to pick those squadmates for the last mission (which you can assume would be people's favorite characters)

[Mr.House]

JDee3 wrote...

Who carrreeesssss
People do what Shepard says or else
The Normandy has had a bunch of upgrades before, I'm sure it can make a little fly in towards the end of the battle when the final goal is being reached. Didn't a command go out telling everyone to attack harbinger anyways? Stuff happens man, at least they didn't kill the squadmates we had there just because we happened to pick those squadmates for the last mission (which you can assume would be people's favorite characters)

Upgrades won't matter if it get's hit by Harbinger. The Normandy should have been blasted to pieces by Harbinger. Better yet, Shepard should not be risking the mission by risking everyone charging the beam because for some reason she does not want to lose her two squadmates, depsite being drilled in the head by Anderson that this is it, no turning back ect.  Shepard making such a stupid decision and you say who cares? This is why the last few hours of ME3 is filled with cringe worthy writting.

[Zazzerka]

Just imagine if it had been a shuttle. Imagine all the pain that could've been avoided.

Imagine all the people, living for today.

[Mr.House]

Zazzerka wrote...

Just imagine if it had been a shuttle. Imagine all the pain that could've been avoided.

Imagine all the people, living for today.

You know what would have been good. You call the shuttle, it picks up your squadmates. As it flyes away, Harbinger goes to shoot at it. Low ems, he destroys the shuttle and Shepard watches in horror as pieces fall to the ground. High ems, Harbinger misses the shuttle by a little bit and the shuttle get's away just in time. Done. Harbinger is not turned into a blind person, Shepards actions are not questioned by calling a frigate for a evac and you have your fancy goodbyes.

Modifié par Mr.House, 29 avril 2013 - 04:19 .

[Zazzerka]

Which begs the question that has been asked time and time again: WAAAAAIIIIIIIII?

[Megaton_Hope]

Mr.House wrote...
Upgrades won't matter if it get's hit by Harbinger. The Normandy should have been blasted to pieces by Harbinger.

That one's debatable. If you get the Silaris armor and the Cyclonic whatever, your ship takes a direct hit from that Collector weapon with no major damage, which seems to be roughly as powerful as what the Reaper is packing. The Normandy can't exactly hang around getting blasted, but it might be able to make a quick swing through the area without risking too much.

The main problem I have with that is that the Normandy is a much more valuable asset than anybody on board. Risking your Queen to save a Pawn is a quick way to lose.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Zazzerka, I love your avatar.

[PsyrenY]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Personally, I think a few forced squad deaths would have been fine. Mix things up a bit. Whoever goes with you dies.

Everyone would metagame the hell out of that to leave their LI behind unless doing FailShep.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

All I wanted was to see Liara again.

All I wanted was to stop the Reapers. Priorities?

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And we know from Arrival which Mac Walters wrote to show us what happens when a relay is destroyed... so was anyone even alive?

No, we know what happens when you slam an asteroid strapped with rockets and stuffed with explosives into a Relay. Not quite the same thing as what happened with the Crucible.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What was there not to get?

Apparently plenty, judging by your post.

[Zazzerka]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Zazzerka, I love your avatar.

Ta, Jules.

[KiwiQuiche]

Dramaz as the plot demands, regardless of how stupid it is.

Same with Harbinger just sitting on his ass with the Normandy a few yards away. Smooth.