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[DracoFulcrum]

Dumb robots, made as servants.

[Calla S]

At the end of the day, they're still machines. It wouldn't take much.

[izmirtheastarach]

You answered your own question. They are a rudimentary intelligence. They considered the Reapers the pinnacle of non-organic life, and so revered them as Gods. There is no other reason. Look at them like a primitive people getting swept up in something bigger then them.

[packardbell]

They didn't want to rule the galaxy, remember they were minding their own business and staying in their own system until Sovereign came onto the scene.



Obviously adoring it, the Geth would do anything to please it's new 'God' and that means slaughtering innocent civilians and destroying colonies.



As Saren said it was not impressed by the praises the Geth were hurling at it and saw them as tool to be used and discarded.. nothing more.

[Azazelbishop]

now i'm not a religious person but come on if GOD came to you and said come on i need you, would you not drop a load and jump at what he/she said .

[izmirtheastarach]

packardbell wrote...

They didn't want to rule the galaxy, remember they were minding their own business and staying in their own system until Sovereign came onto the scene.

Obviously adoring it, the Geth would do anything to please it's new 'God' and that means slaughtering innocent civilians and destroying colonies.

As Saren said it was not impressed by the praises the Geth were hurling at it and saw them as tool to be used and discarded.. nothing more.

Yes, Saren viewed them as mindless sheep, which they certainly were acting like. We'll be learning a lot more about their society and their motivations in ME2.

[Thargorichiban]

Sovereign really just took advantage of a very young race. I mean, just think about it. The only experience that they have dealing with organic life is with their own creators who tried to wipe them out for gaining consciousness. They then become isolationists to protect themselves against the "viscious organics".



Then along comes Saren with Sovereign giving them a chance to see another "fellow" non-organic race. One that is so old and advanced they indeed must look like gods to them. It is even possible that Sovereign hacked them to put them into this mindset...

[izmirtheastarach]

Thargorichiban wrote...
The only experience that they have dealing with organic life is with their own creators who tried to wipe them out for gaining consciousness. They then become isolationists to protect themselves against the "viscious organics".

Then along comes Saren with Sovereign giving them a chance to see another "fellow" non-organic race. One that is so old and advanced they indeed must look like gods to them. It is even possible that Sovereign hacked them to put them into this mindset...

A very good point. It is pretty understandable why they would side with the Reapers against organic life. As Legion says,

"Organics do not choose to fear us, It is a function of your hardware"

We attack them on sight, and their parents tried to commit a genocide against them.

[AtreiyaN7]

I think the Geth are fairly intelligent (it's just that working in a group allows them to process things more efficiently or whatever it was that Tali said about it ), especially given the rate of machine evolution. Considering they sent the Quarians running, they're not dumb robots - I'd equate them to Cylon centurions in a sense. I also doubt they wanted to rule by Sovereign's side, but they did worship it as a God and were happy to help him, possibly believing that they'd win his favor and be rewarded if they served Sovereign loyally.

[R2K Himself]

It's also going to be interesting to see how the Geth named "Legion" will come into play. As far as I've heard, he leads a faction of Geth that are not necessarily willing to follow the Reapers like the rest of his machine race.

[creininger]

Well, the Reapers' mission is to end organic life, not synthetic. If they were successful in this, they would have basically left the galaxy to the Geth after they were done. It obvious the Geth were evolving too. I mean, look at Legion in ME2. Eventually all Geth would be like him, and having the galaxy handed to you by gian super-robots is pretty nice. Why wouldn't they help, even if they didn't see the Reapers as gods?

[packardbell]

Indeed, Legion seems to be the 'ambassador' of the Geth... trying to improve relations with the organics.



That makes a logical reason to join up Shepard, taking part in this suicide mission would (while not fully) clear the Geth's name as a hostile people.

[izmirtheastarach]

R2K Himself wrote...

It's also going to be interesting to see how the Geth named "Legion" will come into play. As far as I've heard, he leads a faction of Geth that are not necessarily willing to follow the Reapers like the rest of his machine race.

Yep, and he is Commander Shepard's creepy robot stalker.

[Thargorichiban]

packardbell wrote...

Indeed, Legion seems to be the 'ambassador' of the Geth... trying to improve relations with the organics.

That makes a logical reason to join up Shepard, taking part in this suicide mission would (while not fully) clear the Geth's name as a hostile people.

I don't see it as him being an ambassador straight away, but I do believe that you could probably make him into one through your actions. As with the Krogan and how you treated Wrex in ME1, I believe that Legion could help bring the Geth into the Citadel fold and perhaps they'll fight against the creatures they once worshipped as gods.

[InvaderErl]

creininger wrote...

Well, the Reapers' mission is to end organic life, not synthetic. If they were successful in this, they would have basically left the galaxy to the Geth after they were done. It obvious the Geth were evolving too. I mean, look at Legion in ME2. Eventually all Geth would be like him, and having the galaxy handed to you by gian super-robots is pretty nice. Why wouldn't they help, even if they didn't see the Reapers as gods?

I don't think so. Don't forget that the Reapers take everything of techonological worth with them. The Geth were going to be on the chopping block along with everyone else in the end - Saren even indicates that Sovereign is insulted by the Geth.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 janvier 2010 - 06:08 .

[RavenholmeCP42]

InvaderErl wrote...

creininger wrote...

Well, the Reapers' mission is to end organic life, not synthetic. If they were successful in this, they would have basically left the galaxy to the Geth after they were done. It obvious the Geth were evolving too. I mean, look at Legion in ME2. Eventually all Geth would be like him, and having the galaxy handed to you by gian super-robots is pretty nice. Why wouldn't they help, even if they didn't see the Reapers as gods?

I don't think so. Don't forget that the Reapers take everything of techonological worth with them. The Geth were going to be on the chopping block along with everyone else in the end - Saren even indicates that Sovereign is insulted by the Geth.

Actually, in that same dialogue, Saren mentions that because of their usefulness to Sovereign, and the fact that they, being un-organic aren't useful to the reapers for whatever purpose.... the Geth were going to be spared annihilation and left to inhabit the galaxy until the next cycle arose.

[Splinter Cell 108]

If I remember correctly not all of them believed in Sovereign only some. I wonder how Saren managed to get into Geth territory unharmed though. Those areas must be very dangerous.

[InvaderErl]

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Actually, in that same dialogue, Saren mentions that because of their usefulness to Sovereign, and the fact that they, being un-organic aren't useful to the reapers for whatever purpose.... the Geth were going to be spared annihilation and left to inhabit the galaxy until the next cycle arose.

Iirc Saren actually says in that same dialogue that if ORGANICS prove themselves useful Sovereign will spare them, which I think we can safely assume is a load of horse manure. Sovereign apparently holds the Geth in contempt and leaving them alive after the cycle runs its course serves absolutely no purpose. This whole "Oh yeah, we totally won't kill you," line was clearly just a means for Sovereign to procure allies.

[Splinter Cell 108]

InvaderErl wrote...

RavenholmeCP42 wrote...

Actually, in that same dialogue, Saren mentions that because of their usefulness to Sovereign, and the fact that they, being un-organic aren't useful to the reapers for whatever purpose.... the Geth were going to be spared annihilation and left to inhabit the galaxy until the next cycle arose.

Iirc Saren actually says in that same dialogue that if ORGANICS prove themselves useful Sovereign will spare them, which I think we can safely assume is a load of horse manure. Sovereign apparently holds the Geth in contempt and leaving them alive after the cycle runs its course serves absolutely no purpose. This whole "Oh yeah, we totally won't kill you," line was clearly just a means for Sovereign to procure allies.

He would leave them alive but according to Vigil they would've probably become replacements for the keepers. The Reapers would probably re program them into doing the keepers' tasks so either way they end up losing. Like Vigil said they would be more predictable than the keepers and the Reapers would have probably found some way to control them unlike the keepers which are organic and eventually evolved and stopped being controlled.

[InvaderErl]

That's a very good point.  I also imagine that if this had happened the Geth wouldn't have been overjoyed, they're expecting to be raised up the evolutionary ladder via their God not turned into over glorified janitors.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[Inverness Moon]

The geth can't seem to catch a break, can they? First the quarians try to wipe them out, then some evil supposed machine god and comes around and uses them for its own ends while preparing to screw them--and everyone else--over in the end.



Though I suppose the whole 300 year bit is a break.

[izmirtheastarach]

InvaderErl wrote...

That's a very good point.  I also imagine that if this had happened the Geth wouldn't have been overjoyed, they're expecting to be raised up the evolutionary ladder via their God not turned into over glorified janitors.

And if they didn't replace the keepers, the Reapers would problably just tear them all up for spare parts. Especially considering what they think of the Geth.

[VinardVerger]

[vashts1985]

I mean, they trusted soverign so easily, it's like, why did they do it? I mean, I know the reason goes deeper than they believed the Reapers are some kind of God. Did they just want too much power and rule the galaxy with the Reapers?

recall in ME1 in the Exogeni headquarters, that the Geth set up a shrine to the Reapers



first act, Tali claims that from the data she had obtained from the destroyed Geth, they worship the Reapers as gods.



i will not say more than that in this public forum.