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[Han Shot First]

If that quote is accurate he is either delusional or towing a company line where they pretend the endings weren't near universally hated.

The former wouldn't bode well for Mass Effect 4.

[BrookerT]

I'm not sure where you got the 90% of fans thing, I don't think 100% of fans have even participated in a poll. Ultimately, after everyone was a douche to him, warranted or not, I can understand him being snappy.

[clarkusdarkus]

Iv'e moved on from ME now, I come back here sporadically through force of habit, But aslong as that man is involved in ME and EA are involed then i wont be coming back to bioware products.... Way too many games to enjoy to get hung up on a failing company.

* Praise the sun *

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 28 avril 2013 - 02:29 .

[Han Shot First]

BrookerT wrote...

I'm not sure where you got the 90% of fans thing, I don't think 100% of fans have even participated in a poll. Ultimately, after everyone was a douche to him, warranted or not, I can understand him being snappy.

While I think 90% of fans is an exaggeration, it is was clear to anyone with common sense that ME3's endings went over like a lead balloon. They were near universally hated, and not just on the BSN.

You didn't need polls to tell you that most people who completed the game didn't like the endings.

[JamesFaith]

Fans who like it + fans with neutral opinion + fans who don't care about ending > fans who hate endings

[JasonShepard]

So from their perspective, they released their largest DLC yet, the Extended Cut, for free, for this vocal minority of fans. Can you say fan service?

Seriously, I don't see a problem here. Those posting on BSN are a fraction of their most devoted fans, who are themselves a fraction of everyone that buys and plays the game. And we'll never have the stats on that full group - I suspect a large amount of them never even finished the game.

'Vocal Minority' is not an insult.

[JamesFaith]

Han Shot First wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

I'm not sure where you got the 90% of fans thing, I don't think 100% of fans have even participated in a poll. Ultimately, after everyone was a douche to him, warranted or not, I can understand him being snappy.

While I think 90% of fans is an exaggeration, it is was clear to anyone with common sense that ME3's endings went over like a lead balloon. They were near universally hated, and not just on the BSN.

You didn't need polls to tell you that most people who completed the game didn't like the endings.

On our national fan site it was 22% like, 21 % neutral and 57 % hate and it was before EC.

These 90% are unrealistic exaggeration.

[Teddie Sage]

JasonShepard, it's no excuse. There's still no closure after the endings and most people complaining including myself want to know the fate of the characters after the wars. Not just through slides. We invested almost a decade over this franchise and some of us wanted more. High EMS Destroy Ending is the only way Shepard might survive but it's just a big teaser and leaves you on an insulting cliffhanger.

[RukiaKuchki]

I could be mistaken, but isn't this same, exact topic discussed on about a thousand threads here? Why do we need another thread? What is going be said here that hasn't been said a thousand times before? C'mon, quit flogging a dead horse. It's beneath you.

[Han Shot First]

JamesFaith wrote...

Fans who like it + fans with neutral opinion + fans who don't care about ending > fans who hate endings

The Indoctrination Theory people,  DID NOT like the original endings. That is why they created their own private delusion to make it more palatable. It was the denial stage of grief.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 avril 2013 - 02:41 .

[DWH1982]

I think it may partly depend on how you define the word "fan."

I'm sure there are a lot of casual Mass Effect fans, people who maybe only played ME3 or only did one or two playthroughs of other games in the trilogy, who really didn't give that much of a crap about the endings because they're not as invested in the trilogy and characters.

I really do think that a majority of the more hard core fans tend to despise the endings, though. In my case, it has impacted my relationship with the franchise - in the past, I was willing to do stuff like buy the comic books and MAYBE consider the movie that's in the works. Now I only buy game related story content, such as DLCs.

It is also not a given that I will purchase the next ME game, and I will certainly not pre-order it, as I did with ME3.

[Bizinha]

Here nobody will accept that percentage. Now if u look in google.com, 'Mass Effect series' lead writer is working on Mass Effect 4' will see how many people are happy, at least on the internet.

[JamesFaith]

BTW why isn't this probably most interesting part of interview quoted when others are?

Maybe original real quote wasn't enough "insulting" or "scandalous" as version author of article wrote by his own words?

[JamesFaith]

Han Shot First wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Fans who like it + fans with neutral opinion + fans who don't care about ending > fans who hate endings

The Indoctrination Theory people,  DID NOT like the original endings. That is why they created their own private delusion to make it more palatable. It was the denial stage of grief.

Yes, they did not LIKE endings.

But there is definitely big difference between DO NOT LIKE and HATE.

[OdanUrr]

Wasn't there a thread about this already?

[o Ventus]

JamesFaith wrote...

Fans who like it + fans with neutral opinion + fans who don't care about ending > fans who hate endings

The fact that you add 3 groups against 1 sort of disproves your own argument.

[Wayning_Star]

I've always been of the impression that the 'hate' stuff was just another aspect of a kind online gaming thing. Once that ball started bouncing, many ran to the court to play a/the victim. It's another interesting aspect of the actual 'choices' that the fan base can focus group. Whether this mass effects the profit/business model, is just another aspect. Apparently, the news of Shepard's death were highly exaggerated.. lol

[JasonShepard]

Teddie Sage wrote...

JasonShepard, it's no excuse. There's still no closure after the endings and most people complaining including myself want to know the fate of the characters after the wars. Not just through slides. We invested almost a decade over this franchise and some of us wanted more. High EMS Destroy Ending is the only way Shepard might survive but it's just a big teaser and leaves you on an insulting cliffhanger.

Lack of closure is a separate issue to Bioware's perception of how many people were/are upset. I'm one of those that considered the original ending 'meh' (which was nowhere near good enough for Mass Effect) but was much happier with the EC - I'm just saying that so you know where I'm coming from.

I believe that the reason the endings were left open was so that we, as players, could decide for ourselves what happened next. I could be wrong, but I do appreciate that side of the endings.
Do I understand the desire for more, the level of investment? Of course I do - I'm putting in my own time to write a post-Control fic at the moment. I wouldn't be doing that if I wasn't invested or if I didn't want more. I'm not saying that it's the same thing - stuff that I write is certainly not stuff that Bioware writes - but I am saying that I understand.

The slides could have been better, yes, but they are 'good', and Bioware was constrained by time, cost, and a 2GB memory space.
As for the breath scene - I seriously doubt that Bioware intended it to be insulting. That may be how you take it, but that wouldn't be how they meant it. They meant it purely as a 'Shepard can survive'. They could have invested more in the breath scene with the EC but the only people on the recieving end of that would be the High EMS Destroyers, which is not everyone. Bioware already believed themselves to be catering to a minority of their fans.

So in conclusion - I believe the lack of closure is partly there due to constraints on the Extended Cut, and partly due to a desire to leave things in the hands of the fans. And I'm okay with that.

[clarkusdarkus]

Problem is they have lost fans like me, I bought ME3 to finish the trilogy, i stayed away from spoilers and reviews as they ruin the immersion, I feel the sales were good for ME3 because of that reason and the new fans were a bonus as such, They dont have the luxury now of fans like me as iv'e moved on as DA2/TOR/ME3 and to some extent ME2 show a decline in quality and now i feel im not the audience for them, And i was one of those who bought all games/dlc and pre ordered.

We'll see if the fans they gained with ME3 outweighs the ones they lost with the next ME release..

[JamesFaith]

o Ventus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Fans who like it + fans with neutral opinion + fans who don't care about ending > fans who hate endings

The fact that you add 3 groups against 1 sort of disproves your own argument.

And how exactly?

They spoke about majority of fans, not about biggest part of fans. Majority means more then every other groups together.

If I showed it on example, in parliament one party can be biggest but it will not give it automatically majority in parliament. 

[Kel Riever]

Well, if he didn't lie to himself...

He'd have to admit that he sucks as a writer.

By the way, Patrick O'Rourke, not a journalist.  Just a dude with a pen.  There is a difference.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 28 avril 2013 - 03:04 .

[AresKeith]

@JamesFaith the fact that you didn't take into account the people who didn't like the ending but never said anything and every group would be considered a minority

It still disproves your argument

[Wayning_Star]

ME Fowa: The Flame War

lol