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[JamesFaith]

AresKeith wrote...

@JamesFaith the fact that you didn't take into account the people who didn't like the ending but never said anything and every group would be considered a minority

It still disproves your argument

OP speaking abou hating, which is different from not like. Hate si much stronger emotion then not liking.

Even here on BSN some people claimed that they didn't like endnings yet they don't hate them.

[gosimmons]

PR speak. Haven't we moved on from it?

[Aaleel]

Well the quote is actually he doesn't think the majority of fans 'had an issue' with the ending. I have to call BS on that.

I'm sure that a good majority of fans had an 'issue' with the ending especially the original one. Whether it was the Catalyst walking out of nowhere with a new problem to solve, the choices themselves, the Catalyst allowing you to win after you were defeated, just to name a few.

Maybe some people don't hate it, and some have just accepted it an moved on, to to say people with an 'issue' with the ending are a vocal minority is just delusional.

[Ledgend1221]

So a "vocal minority" got a DLC just for them eh?

That's one card we should play in the future.

[AlexMBrennan]

Can you say fan service?

PR expense to shut up critics when sales mattered the most.

As for the 90%, consider the size of e.g. the Retake movement and that businesses typically only hear from 5% of unsatisfied customers at all - that rule of thumb would give you over 50% unhappy customers (retake * 20 / total sales)

[chemiclord]

I suspect by "issue"; he meant the fans that worked themselves into a fiery wrath and spent the last year making sure EVERYONE that posted in the same forums as them knew with utmost clarity that they were pissed off and irate.

I would suspect the "majority" (whatever that word has come to mean in this corner of the Internet) sentiment among all the people who purchased ME3 was along the lines of "Meh." The people who visit here are NOT the norm; though that is neither a good nor a bad thing.

[Fixers0]

Mac Walters believes a lot of things, they didn't did the plot any good.

[LandoCalrisian]

I'd honestly say fewer than 5% of people who played the game have ever been active on BSN, Reddit or even the IGN forums.

People that went berserk online as though Bioware/EA had set their teddy bear on fire and then pissed on it to put out the flames after eating a big plate of asparagus WERE the vocal minority.

That doesn't mean a majority of gamers liked the ending, it's just that, as Mac says in that article the people who actually HATED the ending (hate is as strong as it gets in terms of how much you dislike something) were indeed vocal and a minority. Please remember how many millions of copies this game sold.

HATE is pretty intense stuff, not to be confused with disappointment.

[SpamBot2000]

The real scandal here is the award he got.

[Han Shot First]

Other than Mac perhaps being badly out of touch with the fanbase (if that quote is accurate), I have no problem with him returning for Mass Effect 4. He wrote far more than just the endings to Mass Effect 3, and more often than not elements he wrote were well received by fans. He is one of the better character writers to have worked on the series.

Just keep him away from the endings. Or better yet, make the endings to the game a team effort with 'all hands on deck.' If bad ideas are bounced off your peers there is a less of a chance that those bad ideas will survive to make it into the game.

[GreyLycanTrope]

OdanUrr wrote...

Wasn't there a thread about this already?

There's a thread about this everytime someone finds this inteview. Few people bother checking if there's already an existing thread.

[RainbowDazed]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

* Praise the sun *

Praise the sun.

[puppy maclove]

sad little man

[Brovikk Rasputin]

He's right. Bioware's own numbers are a billion times more reliable than your silly forum polls.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

He's right. Bioware's own numbers are a billion times more reliable than your silly forum polls.

Silly forum polls that IGN and other websites also held, am I right?

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 28 avril 2013 - 04:26 .

[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Wasn't there a thread about this already?

There's a thread about this everytime someone finds this inteview. Few people bother checking if there's already an existing thread.

... and few people bother to read the tone of the article or the actual collection of quotes from Walters. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

wiggles89 wrote...

Official DJ Harbinger wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

I'm not sure where you got the 90% of fans thing, I don't think 100% of fans have even participated in a poll. Ultimately, after everyone was a douche to him, warranted or not, I can understand him being snappy.

Have you not seen CleverNoob's video about the polls? 90% of the participants HATED the ending, and only 50% are happy now, and these were fan surveys, BioWare never had the balls to send out surveys themselves about the endings.

Well then. If it was in a CleverNoobs video then it must be true.

Yup, because he's not a douchebag or anything! 

[tevix]

Mac did a well enough job most of the game given the time constraints so long as he had input from his team.

It's when that input was removed and hudson took control that it went south.

Regardless how small a minority they might be, you don't publically refer to a group of people as unhappy as the retake movement as "vocal minority". It says you don't care. It's presumptuous and arrogant. It's a lousy business decision.

BW has continued and will continue to spew their terrible PR garble about how the whole team loved the ending, they stand by it, and anyone who says otherwise is an unimportant minority or a hacker talking in a team member's place.

We know it. They know it. They know we know it. We know that they know that we know etc etc. Until BW has the business sense to own up to their consumer base we will continue to get this.

[Liamv2]

 

[Han Shot First]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

He's right. Bioware's own numbers are a billion times more reliable than your silly forum polls.

How could Bioware determine whether or not an ending was liked? Their numbers are certainly accurate in regards to how many people finished the game, or the ratio of Male Sheps to Fem Sheps, or the percentage of players that picked certain classes, ect. But there is no way to determine whether or not players liked the endings from that data.

If Bioware conducted a poll on fan reaction to the endings, I have neither seen the poll itself or the results.

If Bioware had conducted a survey prior to the EC the feedback would certainly have been overwhelmingly negative.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

No it wouldn't.

[Fixers0]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

No it wouldn't.

prove it.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

You first.

[JamesFaith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Wasn't there a thread about this already?

There's a thread about this everytime someone finds this inteview. Few people bother checking if there's already an existing thread.

... and few people bother to read the tone of the article or the actual collection of quotes from Walters. 

Truth would spoil fun for too many people here.