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[Mr.Sink123]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Nefario wrote...

Eh. The manner in which a "main" LI is decided seems to be very much a matter of your perception, since the criteria you're using to decide in DA:O (main plot involvement) and DA2 (marketing material) are completely different.
So, I don't know, maybe engage in some mental gymnastics when DA3 comes out. Wish granted!

Well Morrigan is more prominent in Marketing material than Leliana.
Isabela stealing the Qunari tome is the whole reason the Qunari don't leave and it's the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to them attacking Kirkwall in Act 2. Merrill's story line isn't a part of the main plot.

How can she be the main LI when recruiting her is optional, while you always have Aveline and Merill with you?

[Nefario]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Well Morrigan is more prominent in Marketing material than Leliana.

Is she? The only piece that really sticks out in my memory is the Sared Ashes trailer, and I wouldn't say she was more prominently featured in that, at least. What material featured Morrigan more prominently?

Isabela stealing the Qunari tome is the whole reason the Qunari don't leave and it's the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to them attacking Kirkwall in Act 2. Merrill's story line isn't a part of the main plot.

But your one example is something that happens regardless of whether the player has even even met Isabela. Whereas Merrill is encountered in the main plot (and I don't think you can avoid taking her into the party). Surely it makes more sense that a "main" LI would be one that is at least, by default, actually encountered in the game? Shouldn't that be a more important facet of plot-involvement?

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.Sink123 wrote...


How can she be the main LI when recruiting her is optional, while you always have Aveline and Merill with you?

She is the main LI because she plays a larger role in the story than Merrill and she is all over the DA2 promo material. I already said this a few times.
And Aveline is not even an LI. I wish she was instead of Isabela personally.

[BouncyFrag]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Filament wrote...
Maybe they could try a different formula this time and not market another dudebro protagonist with a 'main' female LI.

Why are some here so opposed to the honorable "dubebro" race. Since ancient times the dudebro people have maintainted the bro code and never backed down from a fight or a party. They deserve more respect than this.

In an RPG with character customization you still market to the largest group of players.

Semiconfirmed boxart for all 'dem bros out there:

*extends brofist*

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 28 avril 2013 - 08:58 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Nefario wrote...


Is she? The only piece that really sticks out in my memory is the Sared Ashes trailer, and I wouldn't say she was more prominently featured in that, at least. What material featured Morrigan more prominently?

Morrigan is on the DAO cover and various illustration material (I've seen pictures of her standing in front of an ogre for exampe. She is also on the cover of the World of Thedas standard edition and several images of her can be found in the Book.

Whether you meet Isabela  in your playthrough or not doesn't really matter.
She still stole the tome which caused the Qunari to stay in Kirkwall and attack it.
And anyway, she has an unavoidable cut scene when you go into the Hanged Man to speak to Varric about getting Gray Warden maps. She's still all over the place regardless if you speak to her or not.
Also, Isabela's image is featured at least twice in World of Thedas. I don't think Merrill is in there.

Edit:
Curse you quote boxes

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 28 avril 2013 - 09:07 .

[Zeldrik1389]

Personally I don't think DA has "Main LI" problem. Look at Liara in ME, for instance. As much as I like her and romanced her on most of my play through, I have to say, it's quite obvious that she's the cannon romance in the writers' mind: She has her own story based dlc, comics, she's extremely attached to Shepard even if s/he turn her down or didn't even flirt with her at all, she always shows up when Shepard was in crisis and comfort him / her (while the other LIs are nowhere to be seen), and her romance scenes are much more emotional, as well as much better made than
others. That I would call "main LI" or "cannon romance" problem. I don't think DA has that to be honest.

Morrigan in DA:O doesn't really attach to you that way. Even the dark ritual can be passed to either Alistair or Loghain. Or in Witch hunt, you can either kill her, or say good bye to her like a friend. Nothing really feel forced to me.
I dislike DA 2 romances equally so I never really pay attention. But I didn't feel "forced to pick this LI over that LI" or anything of the sort. And none really stood out as a "obvious romance choice" to me either.

In both games, you can pick whomever pique your interest, and I don't think your romance choice can significantly affect the games.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 28 avril 2013 - 09:21 .

[sandalisthemaker]

simfamSP wrote...

...Petty, selfish, cruel, and/or evil.
We already got that with Morrigan and again with Isabela.

?????

You clearly don't understand these characters.

Those are major facets of their personalities that don't really change unless you romance them.
Which I didn't.
I explained why in my OP.

[Aolbain]

Wait, Morrgian and Isabella where the main LI´s? I did it wrong!

Modifié par Aolbain, 28 avril 2013 - 09:28 .

[Demx]

I'm fine with having different love interest tropes. There are a lot of them.

[sandalisthemaker]

Aolbain wrote...

Wait, Morrgian and Isabella where the main LI´s? I did it wrong!

Sigh.
Must i keep repeating myself?

[Aolbain]

Siradix wrote...

I'm fine with having different love interest tropes. There are a lot of them.

...that is alota tropes. Hell, I`m a troper but i didnt realised that they were so many. 

[Aolbain]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Wait, Morrgian and Isabella where the main LI´s? I did it wrong!

Sigh.
Must i keep repeating myself?

No, I understod completly. But there is nothing in the GAME that gave me the hint that they were more important then Leliana or Merril. Sure, Morrigan gave us the dark ritual but there are some pretty good non-crackpot theories about Leliana being Andrasta reborn. 

[bmwcrazy]

Youth4Ever wrote...

 I hope the "main" female LI is Cassandra. 

Didn't she hook up with that mage guy in Dawn of the Seeker?

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 28 avril 2013 - 09:36 .

[Aolbain]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

 I hope the "main" female LI is Cassandra. 

Didn't she hook up with that mage guy in Dawn of the Seeker?

Thats what the murderknife is for. 

[mitthrawuodo]

They could of course advertise the PC as female so the main LI will be a petty/selfish/cruel/evil MALE *fingers cross*

All in all though I think Cassandra is going to be the advertised LI. If she's in the game and a companion though. and that guy happened way before DAI and was a mage so he's probably going to die

Modifié par mitthrawuodo, 28 avril 2013 - 09:37 .

[Demx]

Or the movie could not even be cannon for the games.

[Silfren]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

...Petty, selfish, cruel, and/or evil.
We already got that with Morrigan and again with Isabela.
I would like to try out all of the romances in DA, but found that I just could not go through with it in regards to those two.
The reason being, I usually play relatively nice characters, and the fact that both of them generally find good, upstanding behavior to be repugnant causes me to find *them* repugnant.
For DA3 I would like to see a good, morally upstanding LI like Aveline (Some of my characters flirted with her like mad, lol).
If Cassandra is an LI, I think she would fit this role nicely, except with a bit of an edge to her (but not like Morrigan or Isabela).

Edit:
For the record, I don't think we should even have a main LI.
This really only applies if we do get another main female LI.

I don't think it can accurately be said that either Morrigan or Isabela were "main" female LI's.  I'm not even sure why you think there were "main" LIs at all.  You end by saying that we shouldn't have main LIs, which I agree...but we never have had primary LIs, so I'm not sure why you think this is the case. 

In Origins we had four.  In DA2, we also had four, with a fifth one tacked on that barely seems to count.  What reason is there to think that there was a "main" one among any of them?

[apascone]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

 I hope the "main" female LI is Cassandra. 

Me too, actually.

Here's hoping!!!

[sandalisthemaker]

mitthrawuodo wrote...

They could of course advertise the PC as female so the main LI will be a petty/selfish/cruel/evil MALE *fingers cross*

All in all though I think Cassandra is going to be the advertised LI. If she's in the game and a companion though. and that guy happened way before DAI and was a mage so he's probably going to die

I would prefer that no LI be featured in the trailer for various reasons.  Also,  that would automatically make them the main LI.
I don't want a main LI. 
If we *must* have a main LI, I would prefer that they have good, positive personalities. I think Cassandra would work.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 28 avril 2013 - 09:47 .

[Zeldrik1389]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

mitthrawuodo wrote...

They could of course advertise the PC as female so the main LI will be a petty/selfish/cruel/evil MALE *fingers cross*

All in all though I think Cassandra is going to be the advertised LI. If she's in the game and a companion though. and that guy happened way before DAI and was a mage so he's probably going to die

I would prefer that no LI be featured in the trailer for various reasons.  Also,  that would automatically make them the main LI.
I don't want a main LI. 
If we *must* have a main LI, I would prefer that they have good, positive personalities.

Err, in sacred ashes, Leliana was there with Morrigan too. Also the reason behind Morrigan being on most covers was, I think, her sexy appearance, as well as her role in the Dark Ritual (which I think they will use in their cannon). Those reasons make more senses than her being the warden's main LI, imo.

All in all, I don't think DA has any "main LI" to be honest. They all appeal in their own way, and there's no significant consequences for romance / not romance them.

[Silfren]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Wait, Morrgian and Isabella where the main LI´s? I did it wrong!

Sigh.
Must i keep repeating myself?

The issue is that you keep asserting that the game HAD main LI's, and that Morrigan and Isabela were it, for the respective games, when really it is just your perception of the game and not anything put forth by the games themselves.  The characters you mention had larger roles in the PLOT, and therefore were more important characters overall, but nothing about that makes them "main" LIs. 

[Silfren]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

mitthrawuodo wrote...

They could of course advertise the PC as female so the main LI will be a petty/selfish/cruel/evil MALE *fingers cross*

All in all though I think Cassandra is going to be the advertised LI. If she's in the game and a companion though. and that guy happened way before DAI and was a mage so he's probably going to die

I would prefer that no LI be featured in the trailer for various reasons.  Also,  that would automatically make them the main LI.
I don't want a main LI. 
If we *must* have a main LI, I would prefer that they have good, positive personalities. I think Cassandra would work.

Why is the idea of a "main" LI such a big deal to you that you don't want one?  You seem to be implying that the presence of a main LI means that that's the LI you're supposed to pick.  I don't follow that logic.  Even if the game had a main LI, it doesn't mean you're obligated to go with that one, if the LI in question has a personality you don't care for.  And since you are not limited to one playthrough with one set of choices, it certainly doesn't mean your content is limited.

[sandalisthemaker]

Silfren wrote...

Why is the idea of a "main" LI such a big deal to you that you don't want one?  You seem to be implying that the presence of a main LI means that that's the LI you're supposed to pick.  I don't follow that logic.  Even if the game had a main LI, it doesn't mean you're obligated to go with that one, if the LI in question has a personality you don't care for.  And since you are not limited to one playthrough with one set of choices, it certainly doesn't mean your content is limited.

It's just a personal thing TBH. (The main LI thing). I don't want to go into that here because it would de-rail the thread, even more than it already has been, lol , and might even cause a lockdown due to controversy.
Anyway, most of my characters romanced Fenris, occasionally Anders, and on one playthrough I romanced Merrill. None of them were in the trailers, so of course I don't feel obligated to pick certain characters.

[robertthebard]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

What is a main romance?

Lol, the term is my own of course, but it referrs to how certain LI's are featured more prominently or who play a bigger role in the main storyline.

So, not Isabela then, since she can be not there in Chapt 3.