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I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.

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MisterJB wrote...

I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.

And Cullen as the main male LI. :whistle:

Yeah, Cassandra seems to have a lot of ties to the series, I wouldn't mind if they make her the "main" LI as some would put it. 

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I have a suspicion that Cullen WILL be a love interest for DA3. I'm not personally interested in that myself, not liking him much. But it would actually be rather fun to have the option to romance him as a mage, given his backstory.

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Silfren wrote...

I have a suspicion that Cullen WILL be a love interest for DA3. I'm not personally interested in that myself, not liking him much. But it would actually be rather fun to have the option to romance him as a mage, given his backstory.


Uh.... what?  Cullen was tortured by mages that he thought he could trust, what sort of vindictive creature are you to mess with him again?

As for LIs, I really didn't think there was a main one.  You can turn down Morrigan's offer, not pick up Leliana, kill Zev and eventually Alistar.  You can more or less kill or run off the DA2 cast as well.  Being featured more in promotions doesn't make you the 'main' anything.

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morigan was ridiculous but isabela also had a thing for freedom for her and everyone else so she wasn't horrific evil. I liked how you could change isabela in DA2 depending on which romance style you went (friendship or rivalry romance) also leliana had a great romance and was given close to equal content for morrigan. who was the main male LI

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I don't get the big deal about who the main LI is you can romance who ever you want so it don't matter you canon is your canon the books doesn't affect your game so it does not matter

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garrusfan1 wrote...

morigan was ridiculous but isabela also had a thing for freedom for her and everyone else so she wasn't horrific evil. I liked how you could change isabela in DA2 depending on which romance style you went (friendship or rivalry romance) also leliana had a great romance and was given close to equal content for morrigan. who was the main male LI

I meant in DA2

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BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I have a suspicion that Cullen WILL be a love interest for DA3. I'm not personally interested in that myself, not liking him much. But it would actually be rather fun to have the option to romance him as a mage, given his backstory.


Uh.... what?  Cullen was tortured by mages that he thought he could trust, what sort of vindictive creature are you to mess with him again?


Story-wise, it's a classic.  Templar who once sympathized a great deal with mages, only to decide they could not be regarded as people, to the extent he thinks that there's merit to the idea of a universally-applied Tranquil Solution...eventually falls in love with a mage. 

The idea was there in Origins, but it wasn't really used.  Bioware missed that opportunity.  Given how popular the character is, I expect we may well see him in DA3, finally offered as a LI.  It's got all sorts of potential for literary drama.

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MisterJB wrote...

I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.


since Dawn of the Seek is confirmed canon Cassandra can't be the main female LI because she already has a Romance with Regalyan.

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EdwinLi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.


since Dawn of the Seek is confirmed canon Cassandra can't be the main female LI because she already has a Romance with Regalyan.


Not at all. She can still function as the main female LI. Romances fail all the time. The character can either be written out or used as a potential source of dramatic tension.

Modifié par Il Divo, 28 avril 2013 - 11:48 .


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Silfren wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I have a suspicion that Cullen WILL be a love interest for DA3. I'm not personally interested in that myself, not liking him much. But it would actually be rather fun to have the option to romance him as a mage, given his backstory.


Uh.... what?  Cullen was tortured by mages that he thought he could trust, what sort of vindictive creature are you to mess with him again?


Story-wise, it's a classic.  Templar who once sympathized a great deal with mages, only to decide they could not be regarded as people, to the extent he thinks that there's merit to the idea of a universally-applied Tranquil Solution...eventually falls in love with a mage. 

The idea was there in Origins, but it wasn't really used.  Bioware missed that opportunity.  Given how popular the character is, I expect we may well see him in DA3, finally offered as a LI.  It's got all sorts of potential for literary drama.

fenris and his insane anti mage thing and he can be romanced by a mage hawk

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Silfren wrote...
Story-wise, it's a classic.  Templar who once sympathized a great deal with mages, only to decide they could not be regarded as people, to the extent he thinks that there's merit to the idea of a universally-applied Tranquil Solution...eventually falls in love with a mage. 

The idea was there in Origins, but it wasn't really used.  Bioware missed that opportunity.  Given how popular the character is, I expect we may well see him in DA3, finally offered as a LI.  It's got all sorts of potential for literary drama.


It's also extremely disgusting for you to want him to violate his Templar duty and love a mage (if DA:O is any indication, this is not allowed), especially after being tortured by mages that he thought he could trust.  If your character is a blood mage, it will almost reek of battered wife syndrome.

Frankly it sickens me.

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 28 avril 2013 - 11:58 .


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EdwinLi wrote...

since Dawn of the Seek is confirmed canon Cassandra can't be the main female LI because she already has a Romance with Regalyan.


The devs did say they want to use an entirely different romance plot, so Cas is the LI and you have to lure her away from her lover. Simple. Problem solved...?

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Ah good, make Cassandra and the PC scum.

Actually, given the attitude towards LIs in DA, that makes a lot of sense.

Edit:

In the worst case, anyway.  :wizard:

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 29 avril 2013 - 12:01 .


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BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...
Story-wise, it's a classic.  Templar who once sympathized a great deal with mages, only to decide they could not be regarded as people, to the extent he thinks that there's merit to the idea of a universally-applied Tranquil Solution...eventually falls in love with a mage. 

The idea was there in Origins, but it wasn't really used.  Bioware missed that opportunity.  Given how popular the character is, I expect we may well see him in DA3, finally offered as a LI.  It's got all sorts of potential for literary drama.


It's also extremely disgusting for you to want him to violate his Templar duty and love a mage (if DA:O is any indication, this is not allowed), especially after being tortured by mages that he thought he could trust.  If your character is a blood mage, it will almost reek of battered wife syndrome.

Frankly it sickens me. 


Are we seriously debating mages and templars in a LI thread?

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It has nothing to do with that, it's about a scum PC seducing an NPC who has duties and a past which would conflict with the romance.

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BlueMagitek wrote...

It has nothing to do with that, it's about a scum PC seducing an NPC who has duties and a past which would conflict with the romance.


If the protagonist is a mage, and Cullen is still a templar, isn't he already violating his duties by working with a possible apostate?

Since the Circles of Magi defected from the Chantry, and the Templar Order rebelled, it's a different situation than it was before the Mage-Templar War. Also, there's a lot we don't know about the plot or the circumstances.

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LobselVith8 wrote...
If the protagonist is a mage, and Cullen is still a templar, isn't he already violating his duties by working with a possible apostate?

Since the Circles of Magi defected from the Chantry, and the Templar Order rebelled, it's a different situation than it was before the Mage-Templar War. Also, there's a lot we don't know about the plot or the circumstances.


I'd imagine that Cullen - if the PC is part of the Inquisition - would also have broken with the new independent Templar order.

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In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the protagonist is a mage, and Cullen is still a templar, isn't he already violating his duties by working with a possible apostate?

Since the Circles of Magi defected from the Chantry, and the Templar Order rebelled, it's a different situation than it was before the Mage-Templar War. Also, there's a lot we don't know about the plot or the circumstances.


I'd imagine that Cullen - if the PC is part of the Inquisition - would also have broken with the new independent Templar order. 


That's certainly possible. Perhaps working for Cassandra or Leliana and their pro-Chantry division.

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...Petty, selfish, cruel, and/or evil.
We already got that with Morrigan and again with Isabela.
I would like to try out all of the romances in DA, but found that I just could not go through with it in regards to those two.
The reason being, I usually play relatively nice characters, and the fact that both of them generally find good, upstanding behavior to be repugnant causes me to find *them* repugnant.
For DA3 I would like to see a good, morally upstanding LI like Aveline (Some of my characters flirted with her like mad, lol).
If Cassandra is an LI, I think she would fit this role nicely, except with a bit of an edge to her (but not like Morrigan or Isabela).

Edit:
For the record, I don't think we should even have a main LI.
This really only applies if we do get another main female LI.



Morrigan and Isabela rocked. Liliana and Merril not so much, but I don't know why you consider them secondary if you liked them more? I didn't consider Isabela at all cruel or evil though, found her quite good hearted.

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I do agree that Bioware games tend to have a "main" love interest that they expect most players to get with and who's romance actually has an impact on the plot/reveals a lot of stuff you wouldn't ordinarily be told. Mass Effect 3 really seemed to want you to romance Liara and if you don't she almost comes off as a creepy stalker. The last stretch of Knights of the Old Republic is a lot more dramatic if you romance Bastilla and try to bring her back to the light side and the game seems to really push you in that direction.

And of course Dragon Age seems to really want you to romance Morrigan. Supposedly you learn that she's not completely evil or something if you do, I dunno. I definitely wouldn't call Isabella the "main love interest" in DA2 though. She's kind of a side character, even if you sleep with her you don't actually learn much about her character later and heck, you can even miss the chance to recruit her or just turn her recruitment quest down and spend the whole game without her.

I think the main love interest in DA2 is Varric.

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BioWare games don't have a "main" LI, at least not for a while. Leliana was just as valid a romance as Morrigan, and Merrill was just as supported as Isabela. Heck, if you feel the need to lable a DA2 female romance as "main" I'd give it to Merrill seeing as Isabela doesn't show up till the very end of act 1 and will abandon you at act 2 unless you pick the evil, selfish option.

As for what personality future LI's should have, I do think their needs to be a bit more diversity, at least when it comes to the female NPCs. Morrigan, Leliana, Isabela and Merrill all sort of cross over a bit in their personalities. Morrigan and Merrill both have that blood mage thing; Leliana and Merrill both have a naive way of looking at the world, despite their backstories suggesting they should be a little more world wary, and Leliana and Isabela both fill the role of bi-sexual, slightly ****ty rogue. That's why I'm hoping DA3 includes a female Kossith LI, because I don't think they'll fit into the arch-types with had with the other female LIs from previous games, plus we'd get a female warrior LI for once.

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What, I'm the only one who draws a parallel between Leliana and Liara, both with their exclusive claim to DLC and their inability to be avoided? If anyone's the "main" LI in DA, it's Leliana.

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Morrigan also gets a DLC. Poor Zev is left out. :/

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BlueMagitek wrote...

Silfren wrote...
Story-wise, it's a classic.  Templar who once sympathized a great deal with mages, only to decide they could not be regarded as people, to the extent he thinks that there's merit to the idea of a universally-applied Tranquil Solution...eventually falls in love with a mage. 

The idea was there in Origins, but it wasn't really used.  Bioware missed that opportunity.  Given how popular the character is, I expect we may well see him in DA3, finally offered as a LI.  It's got all sorts of potential for literary drama.


It's also extremely disgusting for you to want him to violate his Templar duty and love a mage (if DA:O is any indication, this is not allowed), especially after being tortured by mages that he thought he could trust.  If your character is a blood mage, it will almost reek of battered wife syndrome.

Frankly it sickens me.


.......Taking it a little personally, aren't you, that I see a lot of dramatic potential in a classic literary trope?

ETA:  I didn't suggest a mage character that would abuse Cullen at all.  I didn't suggest an abusive relationship at all.  You're the one assuming that's what I meant. 

I think it is legally forbidden, but since when has that ever stopped anyone from falling in love?

Modifié par Silfren, 29 avril 2013 - 12:58 .