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[sandalisthemaker]

Solmanian wrote...

As for the main point of the thread: Guys are attracted to ****es, girls are attracted to jerks. It's one of life's great mysteries that made many a shrinks very wealthy. I can't tell how headbangingly frustrating I find the fact that the easiest way to send a girl screaming for the hills is to tell her you like her, and the easiest way to make her like you is treat her like dirt. It would've been funny if it wasn't so sad.

Yes, but that is so high school and juvenile.
Why can't the nice guy/girl win?

[Silfren]

Solmanian wrote...

As for the main point of the thread: Guys are attracted to ****es, girls are attracted to jerks. It's one of life's great mysteries that made many a shrinks very wealthy. I can't tell how headbangingly frustrating I find the fact that the easiest way to send a girl screaming for the hills is to tell her you like her, and the easiest way to make her like you is treat her like dirt. It would've been funny if it wasn't so sad.

Try reading a few women's blogs on this idea that women like jerks.  And also read up on your Nice Guy issues, too.  You'll find that most of us women are not even remotely impressed by your assumptions.

[Silfren]

To get this back on topic (at least mostly on topic), Plaintiff, I'm curious as to which of the LIs from Origins and DA2 were your favorite, and why? I did say I'd like to see at least one well-adjusted LI available, if only for science, but I actually don't think I'd ever really go for one. Alistair remains my favorite to this day.

[Inquisitor Recon]

What ladies really dig are creepy guys.

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 29 avril 2013 - 03:28 .

[Volus Warlord]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

As for the main point of the thread: Guys are attracted to ****es, girls are attracted to jerks. It's one of life's great mysteries that made many a shrinks very wealthy. I can't tell how headbangingly frustrating I find the fact that the easiest way to send a girl screaming for the hills is to tell her you like her, and the easiest way to make her like you is treat her like dirt. It would've been funny if it wasn't so sad.

Yes, but that is so high school and juvenile.
Why can't the nice guy/girl win?

The answer to this is deceptively easy.

You go in the nice guy front, tell her you want her, she's wonderful, blah blah blah.

At that point she's got you in the bag. You've essentially made yourself the backup plan of the backup plan of the backup plan because your goodwill and support are guranteed. So, since you are the "safety" relationship, why not go for the "reach" one(s) that is (supposedly) more rewarding? Odds are she's got time to decide. You tipped your hand, and she is free to play it. At that point it is best to either A.) embrace the fact that you will NEVER have a relationship with her UNLESS years later, she becomes entirely burned out after a series of catastropically failed relationships and a husk of what you were previously attracted to or B.) Burn the bridge and run.

[Volus Warlord]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

What ladies really dig are creepy guys.

Definitely. It certainly worked for Jon Arryn's wife:whistle:

[sandalisthemaker]

Silfren wrote...

To get this back on topic (at least mostly on topic), Plaintiff, I'm curious as to which of the LIs from Origins and DA2 were your favorite, and why? I did say I'd like to see at least one well-adjusted LI available, if only for science, but I actually don't think I'd ever really go for one. Alistair remains my favorite to this day.

Lmao.
This thread has rarely stayed on topic.
Anyway, I'll bite.
My favorite Origins LI was Alistair as well.
As far as DA2 goes, I guess I would have to pick Fenris.
For DA3, I'm hoping for Cassandra and Cullen.
And I really would like to see a morally good female LI and a male LI with less emotional baggage.

[Solmanian]

No such thing as a "well adjusted" person. Human being are flawed and we all have scars that we spend a lifetime accumulating. I gaurentee that 100% of the population has daddy/mommy issues, it's comes with having parents (and definitely comes with not having parents); those that deny having them, are simply the ones most repressed and in denial.

A person that you have sex with, but don't talk about your feelings, isn't your LI and what you have isn't romance. At best you're "friends with benefits"; I use the term "friends" here loosly: being able to talk about our feelings is how I personelly define the difference between "friends" and "acquaintances/colleagues".

[Silfren]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Silfren wrote...

To get this back on topic (at least mostly on topic), Plaintiff, I'm curious as to which of the LIs from Origins and DA2 were your favorite, and why? I did say I'd like to see at least one well-adjusted LI available, if only for science, but I actually don't think I'd ever really go for one. Alistair remains my favorite to this day.

Lmao.
This thread has rarely stayed on topic.
Anyway, I'll bite.
My favorite Origins LI was Alistair as well.
As far as DA2 goes, I guess I would have to pick Fenris.
For DA3, I'm hoping for Cassandra and Cullen.
And I really would like to see a morally good female LI and a male LI with less emotional baggage.

I rather liked all the romances in DA2.  The only one I never experienced is Merrill, but I've seen and read enough about it to know how it goes.  But Fenris, Isabela, and Anders...all were well-written, complex and rich characters.  I loved 'em all.  It's hard to say why Alistair is my favorite one of all the games. 

Can't say much about Cassandra as I don't know anything about her character beyond what we see in DA2 (haven't seen Dawn of the Seeker, etc.)  Cullen isn't my favorite character and he wouldn't be my go-to romance, but I'd like to see him available as a LI for the next game, just to explore the possibilities of romancing him as a mage, for all the delicious conflict it would bring to the table. 

I'll just sit back and wait to get flamed now for wanting to force Cullen to abandon his vows and abuse him.

Modifié par Silfren, 29 avril 2013 - 03:46 .

[Silfren]

Solmanian wrote...

No such thing as a "well adjusted" person. Human being are flawed and we all have scars that we spend a lifetime accumulating. I gaurentee that 100% of the population has daddy/mommy issues, it's comes with having parents (and definitely comes with not having parents); those that deny having them, are simply the ones most repressed and in denial.

A person that you have sex with, but don't talk about your feelings, isn't your LI and what you have isn't romance. At best you're "friends with benefits"; I use the term "friends" here loosly: being able to talk about our feelings is how I personelly define the difference between "friends" and "acquaintances/colleagues".

Eh, this is incorrect.  Yes, more people have emotional baggage than not, but there are well adjusted people in the world regardless.  But this is a stupid thing to get off-topic with.

[sandalisthemaker]

Silfren wrote...


I'll just sit back and wait to get flamed now for wanting to force Cullen to abandon his vows and abuse him.

Tee-heeheeee.
I also think it would be interesting to romance him as a mage. Even more so as a male mage since he snubbed my M!Amell the first go around.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 29 avril 2013 - 03:48 .

[Silfren]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Silfren wrote...


I'll just sit back and wait to get flamed now for wanting to force Cullen to abandon his vows and abuse him.

Tee-heeheeee.
I also think it would be interesting to romance him as a mage. Even more so as a male mage since he snubbed my M!Amell the first go around.

Given the way people raged over how Anders was totes straight in Awakening and was retconned into being gay/bi in DA2, I can only imagine how pissy people would be over Cullen being available to all genders in DA3. 

Damnit, I want this to happen now.  It's not even a given yet that Cullen will be in the next game and already I'm considering the possibilities.  Even aside from the LI aspect, Cullen's an interesting character.  I always thought the way his character went from Meredith-lite to half-way reasonable in DA2 was shoddily done.  That kind of character evolution is possible, sure, but the way it was half-assed made it impossible to believe.

[sandalisthemaker]

Silfren wrote...

Given the way people raged over how Anders was totes straight in Awakening and was retconned into being gay/bi in DA2, I can only imagine how pissy people would be over Cullen being available to all genders in DA3. 

Damnit, I want this to happen now.  It's not even a given yet that Cullen will be in the next game and already I'm considering the possibilities.  Even aside from the LI aspect, Cullen's an interesting character.  I always thought the way his character went from Meredith-lite to half-way reasonable in DA2 was shoddily done.  That kind of character evolution is possible, sure, but the way it was half-assed made it impossible to believe.

Bisexual Cullen all the way. I don't care about the fan rage. Ha ha! it would be marvelous...
Yeah his character development was rather abrupt. I like the way he ended up in the end game, but it just happened too quickly. 

[-TC1989-]

Sorry if this has been mentioned but...

Isn't that kind of Bioware's trend as far as romances go? The main female LI is the more cold, aggressor, and the other female LI was the quirky, innocent girl. ME1 had Ashley/Liara, ME2 had Miranda/Tali, Origins had Morrigan/Leliana, and DA2 had Isabela/Merrill. It just simply seems like that's what they do. I'm all for them changing it up, but so far.... not really. Personally I like the more cold, b****y girl. They're more of a challenge, and just more sexy in my opinion. Yes I fall into the typical bin, but yep.

[Silfren]

-TC1989- wrote...

Sorry if this has been mentioned but...

Isn't that kind of Bioware's trend as far as romances go? The main female LI is the more cold, aggressor, and the other female LI was the quirky, innocent girl. ME1 had Ashley/Liara, ME2 had Miranda/Tali, Origins had Morrigan/Leliana, and DA2 had Isabela/Merrill. It just simply seems like that's what they do. I'm all for them changing it up, but so far.... not really. Personally I like the more cold, b****y girl. They're more of a challenge, and just more sexy in my opinion. Yes I fall into the typical bin, but yep.

I didn't see Isabela as cold or ****y at all.  I don't really see her as an aggressor, either, though I realize that's probably an uncommon view of her.  Merrill comes closest to the description of quirky/innocent, but I'm inclined to think this is more an issue of the cultural differences.  I don't think she'd be seen as quirky or innocent within the context of her own people, language, and culture. 

And Leliana certainly never came across as innocent.  Nicer and more likeable than Morrigan, sure, but nice/likeable =/= innocent.

[-TC1989-]

Silfren wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

Sorry if this has been mentioned but...

Isn't that kind of Bioware's trend as far as romances go? The main female LI is the more cold, aggressor, and the other female LI was the quirky, innocent girl. ME1 had Ashley/Liara, ME2 had Miranda/Tali, Origins had Morrigan/Leliana, and DA2 had Isabela/Merrill. It just simply seems like that's what they do. I'm all for them changing it up, but so far.... not really. Personally I like the more cold, b****y girl. They're more of a challenge, and just more sexy in my opinion. Yes I fall into the typical bin, but yep.

I didn't see Isabela as cold or ****y at all.  I don't really see her as an aggressor, either, though I realize that's probably an uncommon view of her.  Merrill comes closest to the description of quirky/innocent, but I'm inclined to think this is more an issue of the cultural differences.  I don't think she'd be seen as quirky or innocent within the context of her own people, language, and culture. 

And Leliana certainly never came across as innocent.  Nicer and more likeable than Morrigan, sure, but nice/likeable =/= innocent.

I'm just speaking from a general view. I didn't mean to punch the fact that Isabela was a hardcore b**** or anything. But she was a more attractive option I'm sure to the people who sway that way of the cold, and aggressors. Leliana definitely gave me the opinion of an innocent girl. Until I got late into the game and found out she was a former bard/assassin. But the girl who trips over her words, and gets shy, and blushes about romance, and speaks about shopping for pretty shoes, and looking pretty all the time, that would make a lot of people get the idea she's an innocent girl.

[-TC1989-]

Filament wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

Sorry if this has been mentioned but...

Isn't that kind of Bioware's trend as far as romances go? The main female LI is the more cold, aggressor, and the other female LI was the quirky, innocent girl. ME1 had Ashley/Liara, ME2 had Miranda/Tali, Origins had Morrigan/Leliana, and DA2 had Isabela/Merrill. It just simply seems like that's what they do.

Jade Empire did it the opposite way around with Dawn Star and Silk Fox.

Well, regardless if they swap the two roles around; that's usually the choices you have in terms of a LI.

Modifié par -TC1989-, 29 avril 2013 - 05:24 .

[Solmanian]

exept that since ME1 we haven't been limited to two LI's...

[Plaintiff]

Silfren wrote...

To get this back on topic (at least mostly on topic), Plaintiff, I'm curious as to which of the LIs from Origins and DA2 were your favorite, and why? I did say I'd like to see at least one well-adjusted LI available, if only for science, but I actually don't think I'd ever really go for one. Alistair remains my favorite to this day.

Well, being gay, and roleplaying all my characters as gay means my options are typically more limited.

Though he's not romanceable (by my parameters, anyway), I find Alistair extremely appealing. He has many of the qualities that I would find appealling in a real-life partner. I'm a big sucker for dorks. If he had been available, my warden would've gone for him every time. That's not to say I don't like Zevran, I find his character to be very engaging also, he's very witty and charming. But Alistair would be my first choice.

Anders is my favourite in DA2. Like Alistair, his compassion, idealism and sense of humour are largely what attracts me. It helps that I agree with all of his politics. I don't think any of the negative things people say about him are really true.

Before the game came out, I was initially interested in Fenris, but ultimately I found his hardline anti-mage stance pretty intolerable.

[-TC1989-]

that's usually the choices you have in terms of a LI.

I'm only speaking from a general point of view. I know the whole bi/gay relationship thing has been popular since then (which is fine with me, they need love too). I'm speaking more from a heterosexual mind, that usually the female choices are those, and again I'm more than fine with them changing it up.

[Plaintiff]

Silfren wrote...

I'll just sit back and wait to get flamed now for wanting to force Cullen to abandon his vows and abuse him.

Is it really "abuse" if he secretly likes it?

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

To get this back on topic (at least mostly on topic), Plaintiff, I'm curious as to which of the LIs from Origins and DA2 were your favorite, and why? I did say I'd like to see at least one well-adjusted LI available, if only for science, but I actually don't think I'd ever really go for one. Alistair remains my favorite to this day.

Well, being gay, and roleplaying all my characters as gay means my options are typically more limited.

Though he's not romanceable (by my parameters, anyway), I find Alistair extremely appealing. He has many of the qualities that I would find appealling in a real-life partner. I'm a big sucker for dorks. If he had been available, my warden would've gone for him every time. That's not to say I don't like Zevran, I find his character to be very engaging also, he's very witty and charming. But Alistair would be my first choice.

Anders is my favourite in DA2. Like Alistair, his compassion, idealism and sense of humour are largely what attracts me. It helps that I agree with all of his politics. I don't think any of the negative things people say about him are really true.

Before the game came out, I was initially interested in Fenris, but ultimately I found his hardline anti-mage stance pretty intolerable.

I know you're not big on mods, as I recall, but if it were ever to interest you, there's a mod called Equal Love which removes the gender restrictions to romances.  If you even still play Origins, it might be something to try?  I think these mods work by forcing the companions to see you as the requisite gender for their romance, which can make some of the dialogue a tad awkward, but I've heard that Equal Love tries to address this.  If it's your thing, of course.

I found it difficult to romance Fenris for the same reason, though I like the idea of romancing him as a mage for the same reason I'd find it interesting to romance Cullen as one.  What can I say?  I love internal conflict. 

I loved Alistair, too, for the same reasons you mention.  I never have understood why so many people deride him as whiny.  The guy's more than a little broken thanks to issues inflicted on him by as*holes, but he's genuinely sweet and honorable and earnest. 

Modifié par Silfren, 29 avril 2013 - 06:36 .

[Silfren]

Plaintiff wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'll just sit back and wait to get flamed now for wanting to force Cullen to abandon his vows and abuse him.

Is it really "abuse" if he secretly likes it?

I was about to type up a reply to this when I got this mental image of the kind of things Isabela'd be wont to do to Cullen. 

[neoskeptic2]

Alistair was reluctant and whiny. He never really took charge of his life in DAO.

So, there's the "bad girl" and the "good girl" What would you want that would be in between? You'll never have a 50/50 good and bad girl since people are never perfectly balanced. You'd want her to be more good than bad, or more bad than good?

Edit: Don't forget "crazy" is also an option in ME2. (Jack) 

Modifié par neoskeptic2, 29 avril 2013 - 06:48 .