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Silfren wrote...

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To get this back on topic (at least mostly on topic), Plaintiff, I'm curious as to which of the LIs from Origins and DA2 were your favorite, and why? I did say I'd like to see at least one well-adjusted LI available, if only for science, but I actually don't think I'd ever really go for one. Alistair remains my favorite to this day.

Well, being gay, and roleplaying all my characters as gay means my options are typically more limited.

Though he's not romanceable (by my parameters, anyway), I find Alistair extremely appealing. He has many of the qualities that I would find appealling in a real-life partner. I'm a big sucker for dorks. If he had been available, my warden would've gone for him every time. That's not to say I don't like Zevran, I find his character to be very engaging also, he's very witty and charming. But Alistair would be my first choice.

Anders is my favourite in DA2. Like Alistair, his compassion, idealism and sense of humour are largely what attracts me. It helps that I agree with all of his politics. I don't think any of the negative things people say about him are really true.

Before the game came out, I was initially interested in Fenris, but ultimately I found his hardline anti-mage stance pretty intolerable.


I know you're not big on mods, as I recall, but if it were ever to interest you, there's a mod called Equal Love which removes the gender restrictions to romances.  If you even still play Origins, it might be something to try?  I think these mods work by forcing the companions to see you as the requisite gender for their romance, which can make some of the dialogue a tad awkward, but I've heard that Equal Love tries to address this.  If it's your thing, of course.

I found it difficult to romance Fenris for the same reason, though I like the idea of romancing him as a mage for the same reason I'd find it interesting to romance Cullen as one.  What can I say?  I love internal conflict. 

I loved Alistair, too, for the same reasons you mention.  I never have understood why so many people deride him as whiny.  The guy's more than a little broken thanks to issues inflicted on him by as*holes, but he's genuinely sweet and honorable and earnest. 

Well, Morrgian is my canon file, but my other files, I have Alistair as my "waifu" everytime with the mods. IMO, it was pretty awkward when he sweet talks you. There is a separate mod which remove all the female pronounce and replace it with something else, and it makes it more tolerable. Alistair is pretty dorky and very loyal to you, unless you betray him first like forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do (the throne or picking Loghain). I have nothing against Zevran, but I'm just not into his bold personality. I hope we get more cheerful male LIs in the next game. Anders and Fenris while are both great, romancing them can be a bit depressing. 

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Cassandra will be even bigger **** then Morrigan , minus the hot looks of Isabela. And Isabela was not even close to what Morrigan is. Morrigan is typical selfish ****, while Isabela is an ignorant/giver, she is not a Chaotic Evil, like Morrigan is (More like Chaotic Neutral - "Free spirit").

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Yeah, Isabela is the main LI that you can play whole game without ever meeting her. She's not evil too, Bela is more like Chaotic Neutral or even Chaotic Good if you use D&D alignments, considering freeing slaves.

On the other hand, Liara is the "writer's pet" or "main LI". She has the most screen time and content, also the best cut-scene.

I'm really fine with RI in DA:O and DA2. Leliana, Morrigan, Alistair, Isabela, Merryl each have equally good romances.

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Morrigan isn't evil. Neither is Isabella.

They are both selfish and can be petty, but there's only a vanishingly small % of humans for whom that isn't true, so I don't see the problem.

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How about make the main (I assume by main OP means the most obvious one, the first to flirt with the PC) MALE LI ...petty, selfish, cruel, and/or evil, for a change. I'm tired of romancing my straight female PCs with the Carth Onasis, Alistairs (okay, at least he's got snark on his side), and Kaidan Alenkos of the BioWare universe(s)...

They're all such nice, earnest, boring young men.

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EdwinLi wrote...

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I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.


since Dawn of the Seek is confirmed canon Cassandra can't be the main female LI because she already has a Romance with Regalyan.

A kiss on the cheek is hardly a promise of eternal love. Miranda and Jacob had something before ME2 but they had already ended it by the time Shepard wakes and s/he can romance either of them. Altough with differing results.
Or Bioware could make them both companions and write a romantic triangle where the person being fought over is not the PC for once which would also be interesting.

Modifié par MisterJB, 29 avril 2013 - 02:08 .


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EdwinLi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.


since Dawn of the Seek is confirmed canon Cassandra can't be the main female LI because she already has a Romance with Regalyan.


Nonsense! Relationships break off all the time! Besides, if he can bleed then he can die B)

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I like the idea of multiple romance options equally treated.

I, personally, always seem to go for Main LI (Liara, Isabela, Morrigan, probably due to the fact that they always hit those buttons that I can't resist i.e. broken, bad ass, sexually confident characters with vulnerable moments and usually parental issues for some reason) but I understand others prefer different options that are more to do with their options, my sister for one likes Tali, Garrus, Alistair, Merril and Fenris (depending if she plays 'paragon' or 'renegade' characters).

Honestly, I'd love it if Rasaan came as a in-game character, but I'd also like Isabela, Morrigan or Cassandra to return.

I personally think that if they're equally treated with equal screen time, banter, etc people (may) be happier overall.

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What can I say?

DAO: Morrigan
DA2: Isabela
ME2/3: Miranda

I don't care who is "main" or not, as long as they get good story and romance arcs, but I love the type. They usually fit my "main" male protagonists perfectly. Also, niether of those are petty, cruel or evil,a nd only Morrigan is selfish to a sometimes annoying degree.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 avril 2013 - 02:39 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

What can I say?

DAO: Morrigan
DA2: Isabela
ME2/3: Miranda

I don't care who is "main" or not, as long as they get good story and romance arcs, but I love the type. They usually fit my "main" male protagonists perfectly. Also, niether of those are petty, cruel or evil,a nd only Morrigan is selfish to a sometimes annoying degree.

I seem to be the odd man out cause morrigan was romanced the least by me by far like only twice. DAO romances for me were alistar leliana and zevran only and those were great

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I guess DA has been pretty interesting about bring characters back like Merrill and Isabella. They both played pretty small roles previously. I wouldn't mind if they brought back characters into DA3, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a totally new cast to look forward to and I wouldn't mind.

For most guys, I think, Morrigan was very attractive. You can't blame her for the way she is with the upbringing she had. She wasn't totally heartless, just a bit cold at times. I liked her, a lot. Isabella I think was a lot warmer, just not your typical gal. She was the captain of a ship commanding men and women. You have to be a bit tough and have a sense of humor to get by there. You can't deny, they're both very interesting people, not boring at all.

I really do love the DA team's choice in characters and their sense of humor. It makes things so much more fun and lovable.

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sangy wrote...

I guess DA has been pretty interesting about bring characters back like Merrill and Isabella. They both played pretty small roles previously. I wouldn't mind if they brought back characters into DA3, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a totally new cast to look forward to and I wouldn't mind.

For most guys, I think, Morrigan was very attractive. You can't blame her for the way she is with the upbringing she had. She wasn't totally heartless, just a bit cold at times. I liked her, a lot. Isabella I think was a lot warmer, just not your typical gal. She was the captain of a ship commanding men and women. You have to be a bit tough and have a sense of humor to get by there. You can't deny, they're both very interesting people, not boring at all.

I really do love the DA team's choice in characters and their sense of humor. It makes things so much more fun and lovable.

well morrigan romance I didn't like because you put up with all her BS and such and then she basicaly says I am leaving after the dark ritual the warden asks why and basically gets a none of your business answer

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They kill off the nice romance options......Mhari! Okay she never was an option but for what could have been!

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I feel that there are multiple options for that reason, Isabela showed up in the Trailer because they were done with her, unless no LIs should show up? I feel there are all just optional and none of them are actually canon or even Main LIs, my favorite so far was Zevran.

Point being, I prefer nice ones myself, but that is why there were two of them and the game never penalizes you for who you pick so it really does work in the end.

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What's up with all the hate on Morrigan, Isabella, and Mirada?

Once you know how other people and environments influenced and made them behave and think the way they do now, you'll come to understand their personalities and behaviors instead of straight out calling them b****.

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I want the opposite of you. I hated Isabela though...

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MisterJB wrote...

EdwinLi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I support having Cassandra as the main female LI of DAI.


since Dawn of the Seek is confirmed canon Cassandra can't be the main female LI because she already has a Romance with Regalyan.

A kiss on the cheek is hardly a promise of eternal love. Miranda and Jacob had something before ME2 but they had already ended it by the time Shepard wakes and s/he can romance either of them. Altough with differing results.
Or Bioware could make them both companions and write a romantic triangle where the person being fought over is not the PC for once which would also be interesting.


A kiss on the cheek 18 years ago. Lots of things can happen in that timeframe: marriage, kids, nothing or Galyan's horrible death. Also, Cassandra might have taken vows of celibacy.

The romantic triangle wouldn't work with these two too, Galyan is too much of a nice guy and Cassandra is too honorable. Both would let the PC win.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

What can I say?

DAO: Morrigan
DA2: Isabela
ME2/3: Miranda

I don't care who is "main" or not, as long as they get good story and romance arcs, but I love the type. They usually fit my "main" male protagonists perfectly. Also, niether of those are petty, cruel or evil,a nd only Morrigan is selfish to a sometimes annoying degree.


True, they are not "evil" by any means. I can understand Morrigan's thoughts on survival and power. I mean she did grow up listening to Flemeth her whole life. But your list pretty much mirrors mine.

Personally I'm just attracted to the attitude those women have. The most annoying thing to me are the bashful, shy girls in these games, it's not cute to me.

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billy the squid wrote...

11/10 would definitely bang.

Edit:

Recon, if we got twilight sparkle in DA3 for a LI would, you bang?


THIS thread just got interesting.

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It's also extremely disgusting for you to want him to violate his Templar duty and love a mage (if DA:O is any indication, this is not allowed), especially after being tortured by mages that he thought he could trust.  If your character is a blood mage, it will almost reek of battered wife syndrome.

Frankly it sickens me.


I have no idea about Silfren, but this is something I actually see a lot: people wanting to change a character that has stances they do not like, and they disguise that through romance.

Again, not talking about Silfren, but I've seen that sentiment here.

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Have you even romanced Isabela OP?

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Y'know I was always under the impression that Alistair and Morrigan were both the 'main' LIs...

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There is no such thing as a main love interest in either of the DA games.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

I have no idea about Silfren, but this is something I actually see a lot: people wanting to change a character that has stances they do not like, and they disguise that through romance.

Again, not talking about Silfren, but I've seen that sentiment here. 


Fenris doesn't change his views about magic if he romances a mage. Why would Cullen?

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Y'know I was always under the impression that Alistair and Morrigan were both the 'main' LIs...

Funny that, because I always thought those two acted like they've been married for 15 years.