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[Renmiri1]

Goneaviking wrote...

Logically Anders is just some mad bomber who kicked over the apple cart and made the whole world bleed.

The whole world was cut and bleeding, infected and about to blow up. He lanced a boil. Ya, nasty. But Kirkwall was not Disneyland.

Sooner or later someone would go nuts in there. Meredith and Orcino were just about there themselves, and that blood mage woman who killed Thrask was well beyond Ander's madness stage. Something was bound to happen.

[EdwinLi]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Logically Anders is just some mad bomber who kicked over the apple cart and made the whole world bleed.

The whole world was cut and bleeding, infected and about to blow up. He lanced a boil. Ya, nasty. But Kirkwall was not Disneyland.

Sooner or later someone would go nuts in there. Meredith and Orcino were just about there themselves, and that blood mage woman who killed Thrask was well beyond Ander's madness stage. Something was bound to happen.

Well I'm guessing that if Anders didn't cause the whole tension to finally boil over than Meredith would have done it because of that idol.



Meredith was already at the breaking point anyways but Orcino didn't help with the issue as well. Thrask was the only Templar I have seen who was trying to keep the whole thing from boiling over because he saw that Meredith would have done something similar to what Anders did eventually.

I just wish they didn't have to kill the actual rational Templars all the time. Ya Cullen is extreme but his judgment was a bit out of place due to his trama and he discover the truth too late to prevent any of this.

[Goneaviking]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Logically Anders is just some mad bomber who kicked over the apple cart and made the whole world bleed.

The whole world was cut and bleeding, infected and about to blow up. He lanced a boil. Ya, nasty. But Kirkwall was not Disneyland.

Sooner or later someone would go nuts in there. Meredith and Orcino were just about there themselves, and that blood mage woman who killed Thrask was well beyond Ander's madness stage. Something was bound to happen.

Indeed something was bound to happen, however outright warfare spreading across most of Thedas wasn't inevitable. It wasn't even inevitable in Kirkwall until Anders killed the only authority figure that was keeping Meredith from crossing the red line.

Chapter three began by people in Hightown urging me to step in and become the new Viscount. It didn't start with blood in the streets.

As far as Anders continue relevance post-bombing. He has none.

His only powerbase is the affection he enjoyed from the lowest classes as the benevolent healer, which could very well dry up if it ever comes to light that he was behind the murder of Elthina.

The various factions already have their charismatic firebrands, they won't be looking for an abomination to take over and tell them who to kill and why just because he was the one to put flame to powderkeg. 

[BounceDK]

I killed him the second I got the chance.

[Xilizhra]

As far as Anders continue relevance post-bombing. He has none.

I would like to see him find a new niche. Certainly many others can and will carry on his quest, but he was a good friend and staunch ally, and I'd like to see him again.

[Boycott Bioware]

Spirits are The Maker first children isn't it?

Justice is a spirit

The Maker is God

Justice is one of son of God

Justice possessed Anders

Anders have a holy son of God spirit in him

Anders is the Christ

Anders blow up the Chantry with Justice assistant

So, Anders is a Messiah, Christ, The Savior, a prophet sent to carry out God's order, the Divine plan to liberate all Mages

ANDERS IS ANDRASTE

Edit : It is ironic, before, Andraste liberate everybody from the Tevinter Imperium Mages injustice, now "she" liberate all Mages from the Chantry injustice

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 06:16 .

[Shienis]

Qistina wrote...

ANDERS IS ANDRASTE

Why not? At least their name are similar. 

[Boycott Bioware]

sierra-estrella wrote...

Qistina wrote...

ANDERS IS ANDRASTE

Why not? At least their name are similar. 

Yes, i realized that when i post it, i make comparisons between the two characters, it is a paradox

Andraste was a hero who liberate all from Tevinter Imperium, we only know a brief story about her, the rest is Chantry version, we don't exactly know HOW she cast down tevinter and lead to her death in the end

Anders in other hand, we know him directly from Varric version. Maybe Andraste was like Anders long time ago but her history have been exaggerated and changed due time. It is possible it happen to Anders too. Maybe hundreds or thousands years later Anders status is the same like Andraste, the new "Chantry" established using his name.

Hawke and Co is his early "disciples", maybe there will be a Temple and Anders Ash in it, anyone going to get the Ash must going through the Gaunlet, and there are spirits resembling Hawke, Varic, Aveline, Fenris, Bethany/Carver, Merill....

Edit : Isabella will be the last test in the Anders temple...get undressed and...RESIST TEMPTATION

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 04:54 .

[Shienis]

Qistina wrote...

Andraste was a hero who liberate all from Tevinter Imperium, we only know a brief story about her, the rest is Chantry version, we don't exactly know HOW she cast down tevinter and lead to her death in the end

Anders in other hand, we know him directly from Varric version. Maybe Andraste was like Anders long time ago but her history have been exaggerated and changed due time. It is possible it happen Anders too. Maybe hundreds or thousands years later Anders status is the same like Andraste, the new "Chantry" established using his name.

Well, makes sense. 

Qistina wrote...

Hawke and Co is his early "disciples", maybe there will be a Temple and Anders Ash in it, anyone going to get the Ash must going through the Gaunlet, and there are spirits resembling Hawke, Varic, Aveline, Fenris, Bethany/Carver, Merill....

Edit : Isabella will be the last test in the Anders temple...get undressed and...RESIST TEMPTATION

I sooooo want to see that! Will you write a fanfic about it?  

[Boycott Bioware]

sierra-estrella wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Andraste was a hero who liberate all from Tevinter Imperium, we only know a brief story about her, the rest is Chantry version, we don't exactly know HOW she cast down tevinter and lead to her death in the end

Anders in other hand, we know him directly from Varric version. Maybe Andraste was like Anders long time ago but her history have been exaggerated and changed due time. It is possible it happen Anders too. Maybe hundreds or thousands years later Anders status is the same like Andraste, the new "Chantry" established using his name.

Well, makes sense. 

We only know the good part of Andraste story, we don't hear the worse...her death is sure the worse but we don't know what happen along the way. Maybe she was like Anders, being possessed by Justice or whatever spirit. Because of Spirit is The Maker children, it was assumed she was chosen by The Maker to carry out the Divine plan. Maferath, her husband, was "ancient Hawke"...as we know there are many versions about Hawke and so Maferath. In DA:O there is a quest about finding Maferath own account about what really happen to Andraste, but we never know, the quest end when we give the scroll to sister Justine (is that her name? I don't remember) in Denerim

sierra-estrella wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Hawke and Co is his early "disciples", maybe there will be a Temple and Anders Ash in it, anyone going to get the Ash must going through the Gaunlet, and there are spirits resembling Hawke, Varic, Aveline, Fenris, Bethany/Carver, Merill....

Edit : Isabella will be the last test in the Anders temple...get undressed and...RESIST TEMPTATION

I sooooo want to see that! Will you write a fanfic about it?  

Sorry, i am not creative enough to create such thing, but maybe someone can produce the comic?

Andraste Temple test is not a real test...get undressed then walk through holy fire to show that we leave all worldly desires, everybody can pass that, it is a no big deal...so maybe the architect of Anders Temple is more creative...get undressed, then there is Isabella...naked...big ******...that is the real test of worldly desires (or maybe a test for you to succumb the worldly desires...well....the purpose is to block Chantry/Templar isn't it?)

if you failed, she backstab you using murder knife, no escape

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 05:16 .

[Hazegurl]

I'd rather not see the return of that whiny prisspot. He's dead in my play through and I hope he stays that way.

[Boycott Bioware]

I doubt Anders is anything like Andraste - he's sounds more pissed off, from the spirit of Justice. Andraste was concerned about injustice, sure, but that kind of militant rage is nothing you ever hear about her. She was able to mediate peace with elves, and seemingly inspired people with music, rather than simply enraged them. Look at the one disciple we meet in the Sacred Ashes quest. He's almost like a tranquil and filled with love. He doesn't seem like a follower of an enraged militant.

those you said are Chantry version...the Chantry don't even know where Andraste tomb is...their version is unreliable.

i. Kolgrim have different version
ii. Fenris have different version
iii. We don't know what Maferath wrote about Andraste
iv. Tevinter Chantry have different version
v. Andraste Temple is suspicious

The Cantry version about Andraste is solely based on what they want to believe about Andraste, will they accept different "gospel"/version if found? DA:O epilogues have different outcomes regarding Andraste Temple, one of it is the Chantry keep it secret as far as i remember

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 05:51 .

[DeathScepter]

a part of me wants Velenna to kick Justice out of Anders and then she slaps him then has angry sex with him.

[Boycott Bioware]

StreetMagic wrote...
@Qistia: I don't care about Fenris or any current chantry stance.. That's all in the present age. The reason I bring up the Sacred Ashes quest is because those were Andraste's disciples. Kolgrim is valid to mention, but he also lost his mind apparently. I'm going to trust the dude who stayed in the Temple over Kolgrim.

Is Kolgrim really insane? Maybe it is just his character being "Muahahahaha This is Spartaaaa!!!!", there are some individuals have such character, my late uncle was one of them

Kolgrim can be diplomatic with the Warden showing he is not insane, not like Tarohne with ridiculous lipstick "Teviter Imperium will rise again! Muahahaha!" no matter what Hawke say to her

Morrigan say the Guardian is a Spirit if you bring her, we cannot be so sure he is a good spirit or bad spirit, or he's deceiving us...who knows, Spirits can be anything and can shape shift into anything...the "mirror image" of someone important in the Warden life also admit they are not real if we choose certain dialogue path (not sure class related or not)

So, between Kolgrim and unknown spirit, i can believe Kolgrim...heck, we don't know anything actually at that point, it is only based on our morality...to defile the thing in a place no one outside Haven ever set foot before (and the Chantry have no idea about it), or kill Leonidas cousin you just meet and don't know about him and his religion background

Edit : He did calm the high dragon....

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 06:48 .

[Boycott Bioware]

StreetMagic wrote...
It could be a bit of overacting on the part of whoever did Kolgrim's voice. His animations are pretty weird though. Heh..

I don't know, he seems like he's really lost it. I could be wrong. All of the cultists of that town are whacky really.

I give credit to whoever do Kolgrim voice and whoever design Kolgrim

Kolgrim also willingly to accept the Warden become a Reaver, honorable one not just common rank, sharing his knowledge/power and the ritual is the same with The Joining, and if the Warden refuse (after defiling the Urn), he let the Warden go, he didn't force the Warden, he give a gift (a staff as i remember, a good one)

That show he's not insane...and maybe he is right

maybe everything is not like what they appear to be....

And so, Andraste maybe like Anders, the paradox, reborn...or maybe Anders is Andraste herself...who know? lol

[Goneaviking]

I don't believe the comparison was intended by Bioware, nor do I think it holds water.

Andraste was the leader of a movement; Anders was an angry, unstable loner who acted on his own paranoid delusions rather than out of a desire to build a more just society.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qistina wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...
It could be a bit of overacting on the part of whoever did Kolgrim's voice. His animations are pretty weird though. Heh..

I don't know, he seems like he's really lost it. I could be wrong. All of the cultists of that town are whacky really.

I give credit to whoever do Kolgrim voice and whoever design Kolgrim

Kolgrim also willingly to accept the Warden become a Reaver, honorable one not just common rank, sharing his knowledge/power and the ritual is the same with The Joining, and if the Warden refuse (after defiling the Urn), he let the Warden go, he didn't force the Warden, he give a gift (a staff as i remember, a good one)

That show he's not insane...and maybe he is right

maybe everything is not like what they appear to be....

And so, Andraste maybe like Anders, the paradox, reborn...or maybe Anders is Andraste herself...who know? lol

Or maybe everything is exactly as they seem?

[Boycott Bioware]

Goneaviking wrote...
I don't believe the comparison was intended by Bioware, nor do I think it holds water.

Andraste was the leader of a movement; Anders was an angry, unstable loner who acted on his own paranoid delusions rather than out of a desire to build a more just society.

DA2 is only HALF story about Anders, the beginning. Maybe Andraste having the same beginning, then LATER she become a military leader.

Does anyone think a person who decide to fight an empire rise an army in one night, then destroy the empire in the next day?

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Or maybe everything is exactly as they seem?

True things doesn't always show the truth

Example, it is true A kill B, but is it the truth that A is a murderer?

"I shot the Sherif, but i didn't shoot the deputy, oh no ooooh" -Bob Marley

Modifié par Qistina, 04 mai 2013 - 02:24 .

[Goneaviking]

Qistina wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...
I don't believe the comparison was intended by Bioware, nor do I think it holds water.

Andraste was the leader of a movement; Anders was an angry, unstable loner who acted on his own paranoid delusions rather than out of a desire to build a more just society.

DA2 is only HALF story about Anders, the beginning. Maybe Andraste having the same beginning, then LATER she become a military leader.

Does anyone think a person who decide to fight an empire rise an army in one night, then destroy the empire in the next day?

Nope. It was the end.

Given his complete lack of a power base, he's just another moody mage moved to murder.

[The Elder King]

Qistina wrote...



DA2 is only HALF story about Anders, the beginning. Maybe Andraste having the same beginning, then LATER she become a military leader.

Does anyone think a person who decide to fight an empire rise an army in one night, then destroy the empire in the next day?

If this was true, Bioware wouldn't have let us kill him, and said that Anders will remain dead. They're not going to make Anders the great leader of the mages, or a new Andraste, when in a lot of playthroughs he's dead. Vengeance couldn't substitute him.
Regardless, you have the opinion that all the mages would want Anders at their leader. I'm not so sure about that.

Modifié par hhh89, 04 mai 2013 - 08:42 .

[Dave of Canada]

Qistina wrote...

DA2 is only HALF story about Anders, the beginning. Maybe Andraste having the same beginning, then LATER she become a military leader.

Does anyone think a person who decide to fight an empire rise an army in one night, then destroy the empire in the next day?

Anders isn't going to be relevant much longer, he's either dead or even crazier than he was at the end of Dragon Age 2 due to Justice. I wouldn't be surprised if we'd have the choice to put him down due to how insane Justice is making him.