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If the Community was allowed to make balance changes?!

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:38

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Yeah I wasn't saying it would be necessarily a bad idea...
Just that it should be given some thought though. Saying "we're the ones who know how things go therefore we're the ones who get to decide" is... Not exactly what democracy is founded on :happy:

 

If they wanna vote, they can come here - register and vote. Like you know, citizens do? :P


Yeah, I guess it would be decently fair that way. Although it should be announced in game in some way.

 

They could make 1 of those weekend challenge scrienes. But that's not really necessary. People who really care and play - at least read these forums. So a sticky would be enough. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:40

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When Bioware refers to "feedback" in influencing balance changes, they mean the forums.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:41

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Then you'll have a bunch of elitist scumbags that play only platinum nuking spawns with AC+reegar+warp+incendiary rounds IV crying for nerfs while the vast majority of people don't even have the chance to try those kits/weapons.

No way.

Also, how can console players test something objectively without real data numbers*? We would see something like "nerf it because it feels too powerful"...and remember that console players are the majority of the playerbase, this is a matter of fact.

*remember those Hardcoresalmon threads "AR compared, SMG compared"...nothing against him but those were pretty pointless threads.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:41

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Ziegrif wrote...

That sounds kinda like politics.
There'd be so many tears and butthurt along the way.
It might actually make this forum even more toxic.

On the other hand it'd give power to the people.

Eeeeh I'm 50/50 on the suggestion.


I nominate myself for BSN President. Air Quotes can be my Secretary. You can be the Half Rabbit Cyborg with Gorilla legs disguised as the Janitor.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:42

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Air Quotes wrote...

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lol @ thinking BSN represents the overall playerbase at all.

 

No. But BSN DID influence A LOT if not THE MOST of the major balance changes before. 


Yeah, Bioware totally read comments on forums and don't use it's statistics and analysis. And Protoman nerfed Piranha.  

 

I assure you they did. Because they replied to topics with buff or nerf requests. And some balance changes came way too fast to be based on statistics. 


Right, and Piranha was nerfed just after DNC_Protoman's thread. :wizard: 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:42

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Great idea in theory, but the cost in man hours, and the numerous pit falls that would undoubtedly accrue along the way leaves me thinking the theory will stay hypothetical.

 

If we had only 5 monthly balance changes max with 10% buffs or nerfs max, not much can go vastly wrong. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:43

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Star fury wrote...

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Star fury wrote...

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lol @ thinking BSN represents the overall playerbase at all.

 

No. But BSN DID influence A LOT if not THE MOST of the major balance changes before. 


Yeah, Bioware totally read comments on forums and don't use it's statistics and analysis. And Protoman nerfed Piranha.  

 

I assure you they did. Because they replied to topics with buff or nerf requests. And some balance changes came way too fast to be based on statistics. 


Right, and Piranha was nerfed just after DNC_Protoman's thread. :wizard: 

 

No. But the ammount of replies and secondary topics it sprung definetely made an impression. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:46

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Air Quotes wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

lol @ thinking BSN represents the overall playerbase at all.

 

No. But BSN DID influence A LOT if not THE MOST of the major balance changes before. 


Yeah, Bioware totally read comments on forums and don't use it's statistics and analysis. And Protoman nerfed Piranha.  

 

I assure you they did. Because they replied to topics with buff or nerf requests. And some balance changes came way too fast to be based on statistics. 


Right, and Piranha was nerfed just after DNC_Protoman's thread. :wizard: 

 

No. But the ammount of replies and secondary topics it sprung definetely made an impression. 


It's a very naive point of view.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:46

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BlastoTheEnkindled wrote...

Then you'll have a bunch of elitist scumbags that play only platinum nuking spawns with AC+reegar+warp+incendiary rounds IV crying for nerfs while the vast majority of people don't even have the chance to try those kits/weapons.

No way.

Also, how can console players test something objectively without real data numbers*? We would see something like "nerf it because it feels too powerful"...and remember that console players are the majority of the playerbase, this is a matter of fact.

*remember those Hardcoresalmon threads "AR compared, SMG compared"...nothing against him but those were pretty pointless threads.

 

1 vote per person. 1 elitist vote has the same power as 1 scrub vote. If we can be serious, have civilized discussions - we can make a difference in a good way. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:47

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Star fury wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

lol @ thinking BSN represents the overall playerbase at all.

 

No. But BSN DID influence A LOT if not THE MOST of the major balance changes before. 


Yeah, Bioware totally read comments on forums and don't use it's statistics and analysis. And Protoman nerfed Piranha.  

 

I assure you they did. Because they replied to topics with buff or nerf requests. And some balance changes came way too fast to be based on statistics. 


Right, and Piranha was nerfed just after DNC_Protoman's thread. :wizard: 

 

No. But the ammount of replies and secondary topics it sprung definetely made an impression. 


It's a very naive point of view.

 

Not really. Bioware read the forums. Some buffs and nerfs came way too fast to be based on anything but the forum reaction.  

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:48

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How many Scrubs visit the Forums?

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:51

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Its a bit like communism. To simplify that reference: it sounds great in theory, but human nature being what it is, it has not worked according to that theory yet (mind you the systems of china, the former sowjet union etc are not what the original communists had in mind).

So your idea sounds quite appealing, but the nature of BSN being what it is...

I mean look at the existing threads! Its not that I don't enjoy them for lulz, but real honest to god proposals, discussions and subsequent voting? Tears (if not blood) would flow if you allowed that! Accusations, mobbing, Permabans everywhere! I'd rather play the game as it is than to loose more parts of this (often hilarious) community to the kind of bickering that would ensue...

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:52

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TBLKNIGHT wrote...

How many Scrubs visit the Forums?

 

I dunno. But if they care about the game they can vote. And their vote and opinion is equally as powerful. 1 vote per person to prevent abuse. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:52

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i think an old saying applies to this great idea on paper, but sadly i think would end up in a horrible result on the long run. -A man can be a genius, but a group of men can be total morons-

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:52

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TBLKNIGHT wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

That sounds kinda like politics.
There'd be so many tears and butthurt along the way.
It might actually make this forum even more toxic.

On the other hand it'd give power to the people.

Eeeeh I'm 50/50 on the suggestion.


I nominate myself for BSN President. Air Quotes can be my Secretary. You can be the Half Rabbit Cyborg with Gorilla legs disguised as the Janitor.


Always remember that the most powerful member of the cabinet is the janitor. For he knows everything.
Also ditch the Gorilla legs gimme a lithe bunny body with cute floppy ears and I'm in.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:54

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Ohnenick wrote...

Its a bit like communism. To simplify that reference: it sounds great in theory, but human nature being what it is, it has not worked according to that theory yet (mind you the systems of china, the former sowjet union etc are not what the original communists had in mind).

So your idea sounds quite appealing, but the nature of BSN being what it is...

I mean look at the existing threads! Its not that I don't enjoy them for lulz, but real honest to god proposals, discussions and subsequent voting? Tears (if not blood) would flow if you allowed that! Accusations, mobbing, Permabans everywhere! I'd rather play the game as it is than to loose more parts of this (often hilarious) community to the kind of bickering that would ensue...

 

Yes. I understand, BSN can be bat-**** crazy sometimes. True. But it also can be serious and helpful and do good things when it wants. That's what I'm counting on. That people will participate in balance change voting as seriously as they did in Bioware map surveys and member surveys. They were all great and had good results.  

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:55

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Air Quotes wrote...

TBLKNIGHT wrote...

How many Scrubs visit the Forums?

 

I dunno. But if they care about the game they can vote. And their vote and opinion is equally as powerful. 1 vote per person to prevent abuse. 


You know there is this silly thing going around the interwebs, that some people call "doing a 4Chan on a vote" even if it is 1 vote per person, it could easily be a coalition of people doing stupid ****, like "lets vote a 10% buff on harrier for 10 weeks in row" or other silly things like that. Trust, giving reigns on balance to the community, would be the last nail to the coffin for this game.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:56

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I think it could work. However, I think the controls you mentioned would definitely be required.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:56

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WaffleCrab wrote...

i think an old saying applies to this great idea on paper, but sadly i think would end up in a horrible result on the long run. -A man can be a genius, but a group of men can be total morons-

 

True. But we have fail-safes. Limited balance change to 5 , limited to montly, limited to 10% buff or nerf max. More suggestions are welcome. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:56

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The biggest fallacy here is thinking that this removes the need for testing.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:56

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Air Quotes wrote...

Ohnenick wrote...

Its a bit like communism. To simplify that reference: it sounds great in theory, but human nature being what it is, it has not worked according to that theory yet (mind you the systems of china, the former sowjet union etc are not what the original communists had in mind).

So your idea sounds quite appealing, but the nature of BSN being what it is...

I mean look at the existing threads! Its not that I don't enjoy them for lulz, but real honest to god proposals, discussions and subsequent voting? Tears (if not blood) would flow if you allowed that! Accusations, mobbing, Permabans everywhere! I'd rather play the game as it is than to loose more parts of this (often hilarious) community to the kind of bickering that would ensue...

 

Yes. I understand, BSN can be bat-**** crazy sometimes. True. But it also can be serious and helpful and do good things when it wants. That's what I'm counting on. That people will participate in balance change voting as seriously as they did in Bioware map surveys and member surveys. Thay were all great and had good results.  


Sometimes? :o;)

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:58

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WaffleCrab wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

TBLKNIGHT wrote...

How many Scrubs visit the Forums?

 

I dunno. But if they care about the game they can vote. And their vote and opinion is equally as powerful. 1 vote per person to prevent abuse. 


You know there is this silly thing going around the interwebs, that some people call "doing a 4Chan on a vote" even if it is 1 vote per person, it could easily be a coalition of people doing stupid ****, like "lets vote a 10% buff on harrier for 10 weeks in row" or other silly things like that. Trust, giving reigns on balance to the community, would be the last nail to the coffin for this game.

 

We could also prioritize. Does Harrier needs 10% buff more than a Phaeston? No? Well Phaeston gets it first. And then no balance change for a month for the heads to cool off. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:59

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I like the way you think Ziegrif. No one will suspect a damn thing!! Go see Dr. Zed in the morning, he'll handle the surgery.

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 12:00

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Dunvi wrote...

The biggest fallacy here is thinking that this removes the need for testing.

 

We will test it. And it could be reversed. But a 10% buff or nerf will not make a big deal. 10% is my number. It could be 5% if we agree on it. 

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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 12:01

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It would be a good idea in theory but in practise people would just vote to buff things like the claymore every week
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