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[Cyonan]

sandboxgod wrote...

So you mean to tell me the BSN minority wouldnt vote to nerf Geth Juggernaut, AIU, GI, TGI, Harrier, Reagar, N7 fury, etc?

Because I'm pretty sure they would.

Naw, I'm happy with the status quo thank you very much.

To be fair, the Juggernaut, GI, Harrier, and Fury all might not make the cut to be nerfed. They all seem to get quite a few defenders except the Fury which doesn't really get discussed.

AIU and TGI I gotta imagine would be a landslide on the votes, though.

Both kits are also just ridiculously overpowered right now imo, even from somebody who does do a lot of pugging.

[Cyonan]

Air Quotes wrote...

By the time we would get to vote on these, 6 months would pass minimum. By that time even the servers might not exist anymore. 

Servers are likely going to be up until ME4 release at the very least.

You also didn't answer me as to who is coming up with the monthly lists to vote on =P

[Original Twigman]

Cyonan wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

By the time we would get to vote on these, 6 months would pass minimum. By that time even the servers might not exist anymore. 

Servers are likely going to be up until ME4 release at the very least.

You also didn't answer me as to who is coming up with the monthly lists to vote on =P

anyone should be able to make a proposition and poll, it just needs the required amount of votes/ration to pass, much like a bill in the house or senate

[Mr.House]

Buff everything.

[Tokenusername]

Air Quotes wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Haven't I seen this thread before?

OT, Cheese buffs every week? What could go wrong!

 

See balance change thread for more cheese. 

While not all balance changes, and frankly content additions in general, have been good, Bioware for Tue most part makes their changes objectively. Giving that power to BSN would make those choices subjective.
I'd really rather not write a really long post on my phone. Give me about 3 hours to get to a real computer and I'll read through the thread and give you a proper response.

[Kalas Magnus]

Mr.House wrote...

Buff everything.

second

[january42]

Tokenusername wrote...

While not all balance changes, and frankly content additions in general, have been good, Bioware for Tue most part makes their changes objectively. Giving that power to BSN would make those choices subjective.
I'd really rather not write a really long post on my phone. Give me about 3 hours to get to a real computer and I'll read through the thread and give you a proper response.

Bioware had some clearly reactionary changes.   The AIU nerf comes to mind.  And smash got nerfed based on one specific farming strategy in one specific room on one specific map that they later got rid of.  Decoy also to a degree.

And I cannot imagine what sort of number they were looking at to decide that that AIU melee needed a nerf.

Modifié par january42, 29 avril 2013 - 07:35 .

[WaffleCrab]

Air Quotes wrote...

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TBLKNIGHT wrote...

How many Scrubs visit the Forums?

 

I dunno. But if they care about the game they can vote. And their vote and opinion is equally as powerful. 1 vote per person to prevent abuse. 

You know there is this silly thing going around the interwebs, that some people call "doing a 4Chan on a vote" even if it is 1 vote per person, it could easily be a coalition of people doing stupid ****, like "lets vote a 10% buff on harrier for 10 weeks in row" or other silly things like that. Trust, giving reigns on balance to the community, would be the last nail to the coffin for this game.

 

We could also prioritize. Does Harrier needs 10% buff more than a Phaeston? No? Well Phaeston gets it first. And then no balance change for a month for the heads to cool off. 

how would you prioritize if you let people vote on it, as long as there is this much influence from community side, things can go easily and fast to the crapper. And if there would be someone over riding the vote results, it would kinda make the whole voting pointless.

 

Make a list. 

7 balance changes this month: 

1. 10% buff to Avenger 
2. 10% buff to Phaeston 
3. 300% headshot modifier to Valiant 
4. 5% nerf to Reegar  
5. 5% nerf to Harrier
6. 10% buff to Explosive rounds 
7. 5% nerf to Acolyte 

5 gets picked on the most votes casted. 

This is just an example. 

You keep dodging my question, how would that help against a mass of people who decide to be dicks. Simple answer. it does not.

 

We will never know until we try. People had opportunities to be dicks in other surveys. But they weren't and most of them aswered honestly. 

maybe, because said polls, were not taken that seriously, and did not have such publicity this poll would let me just give you just a few examples of what happens with polls+people who want to be dicks/play a joke on the community doing the poll+internet.



that one was a real contest, those were the real results... Welcome to interwebs.

This one is how people do it on municipal level

Then there is the problem of sample size, i doubt BSN ME3 section represents even 10% of the gamer base(that would be somewhat sufficient if we get all ME3 people to vote on it) but the fact of getting even a fraction of those people to actually see the poll, or understand the meaning of it on the long run.

and another great article on how easy it is to **** up internet polls.


Yes give power to the people, that will make your game work so ****ing well. Like it did for earth and beyond... oh wait, because of that, EA canned the servers for that, because the game became too stale for people... because they got to choose how **** went there. Or wait, Trust the masses to do the right thing.... yes, ultima online thought the harsh lesson for those that played it, the worst of humanity rears its head, when masses certainly find themselves in complete power... The night of horrors when all tamers were allowed to tame wyvern's at beginner levels... *shudders*

The idea, is noble, and nice on paper, but will end up in a horrible train wreck, if put into motion.

[Zjarcal]

Quote pyramids ftw

[Catastrophy]

Internet poll? You serious? No, thanks - I prefer being mad at devs rather than at the people I play with.

[RedJohn]

Air Quotes wrote...

dr_random wrote...

Internet poll? You serious? No, thanks - I prefer being mad at devs rather than at the people I play with.

 

If you get small buffs to underpowered classes and weapons for at least 3 starting months would you be mad? 

That's not the problem, you know how troll we ( community ) can be.

Balances shouldn't be in the comunity's responsability because the community never know what they want, they might buff some basic weapons and stuff but then what?, within not too much time things would become a real dissaster.


And it say it someone that wants a massive buff to the Adas.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

Air Quotes wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

no, heall no, most of you are fools who should be eaten and you have dumb ideas this game would get destroyed if we let the idiotic hive mind get thier "hands" on balance changes

 

I have you on my block list for a reason. 

aww i feel so warm and fuzzy inside i knew you cared

[WaffleCrab]

Air Quotes wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

TBLKNIGHT wrote...

How many Scrubs visit the Forums?

 

I dunno. But if they care about the game they can vote. And their vote and opinion is equally as powerful. 1 vote per person to prevent abuse. 

You know there is this silly thing going around the interwebs, that some people call "doing a 4Chan on a vote" even if it is 1 vote per person, it could easily be a coalition of people doing stupid ****, like "lets vote a 10% buff on harrier for 10 weeks in row" or other silly things like that. Trust, giving reigns on balance to the community, would be the last nail to the coffin for this game.

 

We could also prioritize. Does Harrier needs 10% buff more than a Phaeston? No? Well Phaeston gets it first. And then no balance change for a month for the heads to cool off. 

how would you prioritize if you let people vote on it, as long as there is this much influence from community side, things can go easily and fast to the crapper. And if there would be someone over riding the vote results, it would kinda make the whole voting pointless.

 

Make a list. 

7 balance changes this month: 

1. 10% buff to Avenger 
2. 10% buff to Phaeston 
3. 300% headshot modifier to Valiant 
4. 5% nerf to Reegar  
5. 5% nerf to Harrier
6. 10% buff to Explosive rounds 
7. 5% nerf to Acolyte 

5 gets picked on the most votes casted. 

This is just an example. 

You keep dodging my question, how would that help against a mass of people who decide to be dicks. Simple answer. it does not.

 

We will never know until we try. People had opportunities to be dicks in other surveys. But they weren't and most of them aswered honestly. 

maybe, because said polls, were not taken that seriously, and did not have such publicity this poll would let me just give you just a few examples of what happens with polls+people who want to be dicks/play a joke on the community doing the poll+internet.



that one was a real contest, those were the real results... Welcome to interwebs.

This one is how people do it on municipal level

Then there is the problem of sample size, i doubt BSN ME3 section represents even 10% of the gamer base(that would be somewhat sufficient if we get all ME3 people to vote on it) but the fact of getting even a fraction of those people to actually see the poll, or understand the meaning of it on the long run.

and another great article on how easy it is to **** up internet polls.


Yes give power to the people, that will make your game work so ****ing well. Like it did for earth and beyond... oh wait, because of that, EA canned the servers for that, because the game became too stale for people... because they got to choose how **** went there. Or wait, Trust the masses to do the right thing.... yes, ultima online thought the harsh lesson for those that played it, the worst of humanity rears its head, when masses certainly find themselves in complete power... The night of horrors when all tamers were allowed to tame wyvern's at beginner levels... *shudders*

The idea, is noble, and nice on paper, but will end up in a horrible train wreck, if put into motion.

 

These are too open. You can vote on anything. We won't have that if we use our brains. 

ummm and how is that any different, people can troll vote on the other things. per se, lets say a group of people decide to be dicks and "Nerf all assault rifles whenever possible" and "buff all pistols" whenever possible. i wonder how the AR's would compare to pistols after 6 months of that. or "lets nerf all biotics and pet skills " "Lets buff all grenades/ tech burst skills"

You dont need an open poll for people to find creative ways of being dicks, given enough power.

Edit: for the record, alot of the polls gone awry, on the internet have only a set of choices, yet people troll the **** out of them, (4Chan being most famous of doing) Pitbull ended up doing a concert in Rural Alaska thanks to somethingawful (Damn i love that site )

And a copy paste from a cracked article about the awesome people of internet, meeting online polls in a stylish way.

"Greenpeace tagged a group of whales in the South Pacific in an attempt
to keep them from being poached by the Japanese, because it would appear
that Greenpeace tags can deflect harpoon blasts. They then held an
online poll to name the animals. The finalist names included Kaimana
(Hawaiian for "power of the ocean"), Shanti (Sanskrit for
"tranquility"), and for some reason Mr. Splashy Pants, which sounds less
like a whale and more like a man ****ting himself in an uncontrollable
frenzy. To the surprise of absolutely no one, the contest was soon
swallowed up by Reddit and Boing Boing, who showered Mr. Splashy Pants
with 78 percent of the vote before turning him into a meme, because
that's how the Internet works"

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 29 avril 2013 - 08:21 .

[Original Twigman]

you can easily set up a systems that allows propositions on a single balance change that requires a number of votes to get "passed." then, when the prop gets passed, it has to get approved by a dev, or bioware employee to be "approved." if the dev disaproves you can always rewrite the prop, get the votes, and then have it be send to get passed again.... it can still interact with devs.... it doesn't HAVE to be taken into the game just because it gets voted

[Thylakaleo]

The community can make their own balance changes.

You just need a PC, and no fear of being banned.

[WaffleCrab]

Original Stikman wrote...

you can easily set up a systems that allows propositions on a single balance change that requires a number of votes to get "passed." then, when the prop gets passed, it has to get approved by a dev, or bioware employee to be "approved." if the dev disaproves you can always rewrite the prop, get the votes, and then have it be send to get passed again.... it can still interact with devs.... it doesn't HAVE to be taken into the game just because it gets voted

:S sadly, each time dev does not pass it, all the voting is for nothing, henche, why even try :S

[Original Twigman]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

you can easily set up a systems that allows propositions on a single balance change that requires a number of votes to get "passed." then, when the prop gets passed, it has to get approved by a dev, or bioware employee to be "approved." if the dev disaproves you can always rewrite the prop, get the votes, and then have it be send to get passed again.... it can still interact with devs.... it doesn't HAVE to be taken into the game just because it gets voted

:S sadly, each time dev does not pass it, all the voting is for nothing, henche, why even try :S

good ones would probably get passed. It also makes the temptation to troll not really worth it. the only problem with it, potentially, is more work for the devs.

Proposing a buff to the batarian vanguards biotic charge force by 5%, would probably get passed and approved, whereas a proposition that the harrier should be buffed by 30%, while possibly being voted to approval, won't pass because its stupid.

it would simply discourage dumb trolls