I wonder if there's a little backstory between the two...
Is it just me or is lady isolde's relationship with her brother-in-law a little too close by normal standards?
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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:00
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Well, the smith mentions that there are rumors about Isolde and Teagan. And Teagan is hotter.
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Posté 29 avril 2013 - 11:02
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You are not the first one to wonder, believe me. That said, I don't think there's any actual proof.
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Posté 30 avril 2013 - 04:41
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Oh, actually I was just wondering if they had known each other even before Isolde's married to Arl Eamon. Not really wondering if they are doing each other...but if you guys want to go there, where are the signs of their shameful adultery? 
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Posté 30 avril 2013 - 07:18
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Yeah, you're not the only one to pick up on it.
That said, even if there was some past dalliance, I do think Isolde loves Eamon very much.
That said, even if there was some past dalliance, I do think Isolde loves Eamon very much.
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Posté 30 avril 2013 - 08:01
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Teagan gets married to Kaitlyn anyway.
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Posté 01 mai 2013 - 03:16
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A lot of the fandom got those vibes, but there's nothing official to go on.
FWIW Teagan, not Eamon, was the one who escorts Isolde to the Free Marches in the DA2 Mark of the Assassin DLC. There were no romantic overtones IMO, and I suspect it was done that way purely so they could reuse that 'Who is this (wo)man, Teagaannn?' line.
It gave me a giggle, unlike the recyclage of Alistair's 'Swooping is bad.'
FWIW Teagan, not Eamon, was the one who escorts Isolde to the Free Marches in the DA2 Mark of the Assassin DLC. There were no romantic overtones IMO, and I suspect it was done that way purely so they could reuse that 'Who is this (wo)man, Teagaannn?' line.
It gave me a giggle, unlike the recyclage of Alistair's 'Swooping is bad.'
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Posté 01 mai 2013 - 04:00
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At the factory where I work the term "swooping" means driving a forklift in such a way that you have a load on the forks and are turning with the forks up in the air- i.e., a somewhat dangerous move since you can end up tipping over from the imbalance. It's what they call a "red light behavior" as a safety violation and it's grounds for immediate firing (which has happened). So when I hear "swooping is bad," I can't help smirking for other reasons...
As to Teagan and Ms. "Who is this nobody who dares to interrupt us?" I don't get the sense that Teagan is the type to cheat with his brother's wife, but, yes, they do seem very close- closer than Eamon and Isolde. Then again Eamon is comatose for the entire time Isolde is doing her lines (with Teagan) and Isolde vanishes from the story when Eamon awakes, so it's not as if you can make much of their relationship. Eamon certainly beams about it at the end if you save her, but otherwise... Could you be close with her? Actually during the resolution of the demon business Teagan does disagree sharply with her a few times- not exactly peas in a pod- even on what to do about Connor (her son), and can say something conveying that she's at least partly responsible for the mess in Redcliffe. His closeness with her may be more the result of a diplomatically-inclined, family-oriented character than outright interpersonal intimacy between the two.
As to Teagan and Ms. "Who is this nobody who dares to interrupt us?" I don't get the sense that Teagan is the type to cheat with his brother's wife, but, yes, they do seem very close- closer than Eamon and Isolde. Then again Eamon is comatose for the entire time Isolde is doing her lines (with Teagan) and Isolde vanishes from the story when Eamon awakes, so it's not as if you can make much of their relationship. Eamon certainly beams about it at the end if you save her, but otherwise... Could you be close with her? Actually during the resolution of the demon business Teagan does disagree sharply with her a few times- not exactly peas in a pod- even on what to do about Connor (her son), and can say something conveying that she's at least partly responsible for the mess in Redcliffe. His closeness with her may be more the result of a diplomatically-inclined, family-oriented character than outright interpersonal intimacy between the two.
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Posté 01 mai 2013 - 04:25
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Now that I think about it, Connor does have the same hair color as Teagan. But then, that's alternatively explicable as that being Eamon's natural hair color of which the demon and poison robbed him. They are brothers, after all.
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There's nothing official to go on, but I also caught on to their close interaction and have my own suspicions.
Teagan is a handsome, morally upstanding man, yet he remains unmarried into middle age? (Yeah, he claims he never met the right woman before the Warden if female, but come on.) Isolde could have appealed to Teagan's sense of honor and filial loyalty when begging him to come to the castle, yet she chooses the intimate tactic? (And jealously demands "Who is this woman?" if the Warden is female).
Again, nothing solid to go on, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Teagan secretly held a torch for his brother's wife and didn't marry for years because he never met her equal. I doubt either of them ever acted on it, though the way Isolde appeals to Teagan in Redcliffe seems to be the way a woman who knows a man cares about her only appeals when she wants something, and the way he looks at her seems to be half-longing (that the woman he fancies is being sweet on him), half-disgust (that he knows she's just manipulating his feelings to get what she wants, and is turned off by it.... though it's hard to tell with this animation.)
If there was anything between them, I would like to think the whole incident in Redcliffe disillusions Teagan about Isolde (because she is very selfish, haughty, careless, thinks she's above the law, doesn't care how her actions hurt others, etc), and is part of what helps him to move on, see the virtues in other women, and possibly marry Kaitlyn.
Again, I fully admit there is next to nothing to go on here. Just speculation/filling in the blanks.
Teagan is a handsome, morally upstanding man, yet he remains unmarried into middle age? (Yeah, he claims he never met the right woman before the Warden if female, but come on.) Isolde could have appealed to Teagan's sense of honor and filial loyalty when begging him to come to the castle, yet she chooses the intimate tactic? (And jealously demands "Who is this woman?" if the Warden is female).
Again, nothing solid to go on, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Teagan secretly held a torch for his brother's wife and didn't marry for years because he never met her equal. I doubt either of them ever acted on it, though the way Isolde appeals to Teagan in Redcliffe seems to be the way a woman who knows a man cares about her only appeals when she wants something, and the way he looks at her seems to be half-longing (that the woman he fancies is being sweet on him), half-disgust (that he knows she's just manipulating his feelings to get what she wants, and is turned off by it.... though it's hard to tell with this animation.)
If there was anything between them, I would like to think the whole incident in Redcliffe disillusions Teagan about Isolde (because she is very selfish, haughty, careless, thinks she's above the law, doesn't care how her actions hurt others, etc), and is part of what helps him to move on, see the virtues in other women, and possibly marry Kaitlyn.
Again, I fully admit there is next to nothing to go on here. Just speculation/filling in the blanks.
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Posté 02 mai 2013 - 06:22
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Faerunner wrote...
Isolde could have appealed to Teagan's sense of honor and filial loyalty when begging him to come to the castle, yet she chooses the intimate tactic? (And jealously demands "Who is this woman?" if the Warden is female).
Wait, I know this is important, but just hold on a minute, is that scene actually in the game? I mean, that's such a heavy implication...I've never played as a fem warden, so I never knew about this. Checking youtube for the scene now...
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Posté 02 mai 2013 - 06:28
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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
A lot of the fandom got those vibes, but there's nothing official to go on.
FWIW Teagan, not Eamon, was the one who escorts Isolde to the Free Marches in the DA2 Mark of the Assassin DLC. There were no romantic overtones IMO, and I suspect it was done that way purely so they could reuse that 'Who is this (wo)man, Teagaannn?' line.
It gave me a giggle, unlike the recyclage of Alistair's 'Swooping is bad.'
Aw...really? I still haven't finished Mark of the Assassin yet...I know, I finished the main DA2 game when it first came out and got disappointed. Just never got a reason to go back to finish the Legacy or the Mark of the Assassin DLC...
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Posté 03 mai 2013 - 12:45
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I didn't really think so. Perhaps; I guess my mother and her brother-in-law are closer than most, since they were good friends in college (my uncle actually introduced her to my father). Some in-laws are just closer than others, I suppose. Not to mention, drastic times bring people together.
Not necessarilly. He can get married to Bella, Kaitlyn, or no one. Sometimes there's a glitch where he is said to have married Bella and Kaitlyn.caradoc2000 wrote...
Teagan gets married to Kaitlyn anyway.
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Posté 03 mai 2013 - 03:03
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I never thought anything funny was going on with Teagan and Isolde. In fact, he seems quite (appropriately) pissed with her and blames that mess in Redcliffe on her (where it should be). He is perhaps the one truly honorable, honest man in Ferelden.
He is the ONLY one in Redcliffe to treat Alistair like family and expresses genuine pleasure that Alistair survived Ostagar (and will ask about him if Al isn't in your party in the initial meet and greet). Eamon might be glad Alistair survived as well, but that smacks more of him using the lad to get rid of Loghain/Anora.
He also holds no prejudices toward the lady warden, flirting with her regardless of race/class. In fact, his best line comes when you play a lady mage.
Whatever other flaws she has, Isolde loves her husband very much and loved him even before they married. Her codex even says something about defying her family to fall for the 'dashing rebel' she perceives Eamon to be (whether this is just foolish fantasy or not, that was her perception). The particular man spreading rumors about a supposed affair between Isolde and her brother in law lives all the way in Lothering. How the hell would he know? He's never seen them, only heard secondhand what's going on.
All I see there is a closeness that comes with familial loyalties/affection. Perhaps he feels a little envy for Eamon's happiness, but I always got the feeling Teagan didn't want someone as selfish, entitled and manipulative as Isolde, and that could have been part of the reason he chose to forestall marriage for so long. I address this particular issue in my fanfic and have him explain to the protagonist that he simply didn't meet the right girl at the right time. And if you choose the right choices in game he ends up with Bella or Kaitlyn. It became a matter of finding the right woman at the right time.
He is the ONLY one in Redcliffe to treat Alistair like family and expresses genuine pleasure that Alistair survived Ostagar (and will ask about him if Al isn't in your party in the initial meet and greet). Eamon might be glad Alistair survived as well, but that smacks more of him using the lad to get rid of Loghain/Anora.
He also holds no prejudices toward the lady warden, flirting with her regardless of race/class. In fact, his best line comes when you play a lady mage.
Whatever other flaws she has, Isolde loves her husband very much and loved him even before they married. Her codex even says something about defying her family to fall for the 'dashing rebel' she perceives Eamon to be (whether this is just foolish fantasy or not, that was her perception). The particular man spreading rumors about a supposed affair between Isolde and her brother in law lives all the way in Lothering. How the hell would he know? He's never seen them, only heard secondhand what's going on.
All I see there is a closeness that comes with familial loyalties/affection. Perhaps he feels a little envy for Eamon's happiness, but I always got the feeling Teagan didn't want someone as selfish, entitled and manipulative as Isolde, and that could have been part of the reason he chose to forestall marriage for so long. I address this particular issue in my fanfic and have him explain to the protagonist that he simply didn't meet the right girl at the right time. And if you choose the right choices in game he ends up with Bella or Kaitlyn. It became a matter of finding the right woman at the right time.
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Posté 03 mai 2013 - 04:32
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To specify: my Teagans get married to Kaitlyns.DeadlyHaven wrote...
Not necessarilly. He can get married to Bella, Kaitlyn, or no one. Sometimes there's a glitch where he is said to have married Bella and Kaitlyn.caradoc2000 wrote...
Teagan gets married to Kaitlyn anyway.
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Posté 05 mai 2013 - 09:24
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Thanks, guys. All your comments are really thoughtful. They really helped. I've been busy, so I'm sorry I haven't got the chance to reply to all of you.
So...you didn't know that your uncle is actually your dad?
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Kidding, kidding! Please don't kill me Justicar, have mercy!
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I didn't really think so. Perhaps; I guess my mother and her brother-in-law are closer than most, since they were good friends in college (my uncle actually introduced her to my father). Some in-laws are just closer than others, I suppose. Not to mention, drastic times bring people together.
So...you didn't know that your uncle is actually your dad?
:happy: Kidding, kidding! Please don't kill me Justicar, have mercy!
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Posté 05 mai 2013 - 12:54
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Teagan never marries Bella. Ever. This was in the wiki and it caught fire, but it was wrong. He meets Kaitlyn in Denerim if the warden gives her enough money and they get married.
That would be quite an age difference between the two of them, actually. Teagan is middle aged, and Kaitlyn is talking about going to an orphanage so is most likely a teenager. Though by the time she and Teagan get married, she is a successful business woman so some time has passed.
That would be quite an age difference between the two of them, actually. Teagan is middle aged, and Kaitlyn is talking about going to an orphanage so is most likely a teenager. Though by the time she and Teagan get married, she is a successful business woman so some time has passed.
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Posté 11 mai 2013 - 05:04
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ejoslin wrote...
Teagan never marries Bella. Ever. This was in the wiki and it caught fire, but it was wrong. He meets Kaitlyn in Denerim if the warden gives her enough money and they get married.
That would be quite an age difference between the two of them, actually. Teagan is middle aged, and Kaitlyn is talking about going to an orphanage so is most likely a teenager. Though by the time she and Teagan get married, she is a successful business woman so some time has passed.
Eh...why are we debating this? Isn't there a wiki for this sort of things?
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Posté 11 mai 2013 - 05:24
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VampireSoap wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
Teagan never marries Bella. Ever. This was in the wiki and it caught fire, but it was wrong. He meets Kaitlyn in Denerim if the warden gives her enough money and they get married.
That would be quite an age difference between the two of them, actually. Teagan is middle aged, and Kaitlyn is talking about going to an orphanage so is most likely a teenager. Though by the time she and Teagan get married, she is a successful business woman so some time has passed.
Eh...why are we debating this? Isn't there a wiki for this sort of things?
You're probably kidding, but it was the wiki that was wrong to begin with that started people believing it.
I actually had people argue that it must have been taken out of the file, but that makes NO sense at all given that there were a lot of actual, glaring bugs in the epilogue slides that were never fixed officially. And in other parts of the game, when they wanted to actually remove something, they just flagged it so it wouldn't trigger.
Anyway, I corrected the wiki a long time ago. Someone may have changed it back, though; I haven't really the interest to check.
Why is my word on this relevant? I fixed the epilogue slides, which required me going over them with a fine-tooth comb. Bella does has an epilogue if she gets the tavern, but that's it, and she doesn't marry Teagan in it. I love that slide, though.
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Posté 12 mai 2013 - 03:46
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Yeah, I was joking. I kid all the timeejoslin wrote...
VampireSoap wrote...
Eh...why are we debating this? Isn't there a wiki for this sort of things?
You're probably kidding, but it was the wiki that was wrong to begin with that started people believing it.
I actually had people argue that it must have been taken out of the file, but that makes NO sense at all given that there were a lot of actual, glaring bugs in the epilogue slides that were never fixed officially. And in other parts of the game, when they wanted to actually remove something, they just flagged it so it wouldn't trigger.
Anyway, I corrected the wiki a long time ago. Someone may have changed it back, though; I haven't really the interest to check.
Why is my word on this relevant? I fixed the epilogue slides, which required me going over them with a fine-tooth comb. Bella does has an epilogue if she gets the tavern, but that's it, and she doesn't marry Teagan in it. I love that slide, though.
Wiki is not the smartest girl in the class, and she makes mistakes all the time. I thought everyone knows that. But she tried, you know. Don't be bothered by this, really, I'll just take your word for it.
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Posté 12 mai 2013 - 12:14
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*grin* I do sound defensive! This is BSN, where people like me get into heated debates with people who believe just as strongly on the opposite about things like epilogue slides.
FWIW, the smith agrees with you -- that Isolde and Teagan have a thing going, and he says that many of the villagers have the same suspicion. Well, Isolde is suppose to be beautiful (voice aside) and Teagan is hot, and Eamon is, well Eamon. Plus, I'm sure that the villagers loved to talk about their Lord being cuckolded, whether he was or not.
FWIW, the smith agrees with you -- that Isolde and Teagan have a thing going, and he says that many of the villagers have the same suspicion. Well, Isolde is suppose to be beautiful (voice aside) and Teagan is hot, and Eamon is, well Eamon. Plus, I'm sure that the villagers loved to talk about their Lord being cuckolded, whether he was or not.
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Posté 12 mai 2013 - 02:36
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Well, that might have just been the poison and coma. He looks a little old to be Teagan's brother, after all.
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Posté 12 mai 2013 - 11:14
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Also FWIW, I once went through all the voice-acting notes for Teagan and Isolde's dialogue together. Couldn't find any instructions to the voice actors along the lines of, "She's begging her husband's brother who is also her lover" or any other proof that anything was ~meant~.
But yeah, it can give that vibe.
But yeah, it can give that vibe.
