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[spirosz]

Well, it helps that the OP is new to the forums, so a lot of it will be refreshing, compared to what we've seen since March.

[Archonsg]

But if forewarned, Sevial's and Wolf's posts can be good reads.

Actually, I *do* see much of Sevial's reasoning in his posts and *can* view things from his perspective.
Its just that both of them are so quick to dismiss you as an inferior, intellectually or otherwise, that makes both of them easy to hate.

Well, perhaps hate isn't the right word, as for myself, it's a mix of pity and horror (Sevial did extort the virtues of The Holocaust and did recommend a eugenics program for the human race) but, there you go.

;-)

[GreyLycanTrope]

• Leviathans were able to explore space/build ships/ build technology themselves. They were the most advanced race in the galaxy at the time and built the AI to help solve a problem some of their enthralled subjects were having with their own sythetics. Once the Catalyst turned on them and effectively destroyed their race. What was left of the species hid, destroying any trace of their tech and hisotrical records so that the Reapers wouldn't find them.
  
• Leviathans created a synthetic to create peace between the organics and synthetics not the kill the other synthetics. They were too arrogant(being masters of the galaxy and all) to consider their own AI also rebelling against them, since they figured they were far too smart for that to ever happen . But yes building a synthetics to solve a problem with synthetics is pretty damned stupid.
  
• Catalyst preserves the knowlegde and genetic make up of the species by harvesting them. Effectivly making the species extinct prevents them, in his view, from getting a chance to build synthetics that, again in his view, would threaten all organic life in the galaxy. So he's prevent the organics from building and preseving life in much the some way one would preserve jam. Personally I'd just take a few DNA samples and download the species' databanks and some them a few warnings about building synthetics, but what do I know?
  
• Technically what is says is that the created will always rebel. This act will, according to him, lead to total organics extinction. Which would be hard to prove as the only way to do so would be to have data showed that showed all organic life was destoyed by AI, though as he's still "protecting" organics life I doubt he has it. Bottom line he's making a lot of assumptions and jumping to conlcusion about both syntherits and organis. But our belief isn't require, he has to do it just take his word on that [/sarcasm] "So I guess the problem is again, aren't the Reapers creating the problem that the AI is saying they're solving? " Basically we've only seen them create the problem they're trying to solve. Aside from the creators rebeling agains the created which does happen quite often, it just doesn't seem to carry the dire consequences he seems think will occur.
  
• Well in ME1 it was suggested that AI's like the Geth were used than cast aside and likely desposed off or prepared for use in the next cycle. As of ME2 and 3 though I guess we can assume they were offered to be upgraded into Reapers themselves if they helped the Reapers out or submitted to them
  
• No clear cut answer to this in game, but one can assume the Reapers simply built the Citadel around whatever installation house the Catalyst and upgraded accordingly.
  
• Because of reasons. Seriously this guy just seems to love jumping to wild conclusions for no apparent reason at all.
  
• We're just too organic to understand his brilliant motivations, or he's really flippant and doesn't like when the meatbags defy him. Honestly though we have him say his solution won't work and that he's trying to help us, shoot at his hologram or tell him no and he'll kill us all for daring to defy him with said ineffective solution. His motivations and reasoning is all over the place, you're looking for sense where there is little to none.
  
• Matter of interpretations so you might or might not agree with this. The way I see it he's basically he's trying to find a new solution to prevent conflict between the aforementioned meatbags and AIs. His old solution was to essentially hit the galactic reset button on the whole galaxy, destroying all synethics effectively takes them out of the equation and hands control of the solution over to the organics who are now responsible for safe guardings themselves from uppity robots, which they can do with the Crucible which kills them all. He's basically giving the organics their own restart button if things get out of hand with their AIs....at the cost of the races he's preserved so far, but again I find him to be pretty damned flippant so I wouldn't put it past him.
  
• They just followed a blue print, some else design a weapon that used the Reapers tech against them. Who exactly? Well I'd tell you but you wouldn't know them and there isn't much time to explain...for some reason.
  
• Short answer, the writers needed an "I win button" that solved the Reaper plot in various different ways. They also needed to balance these options out so there would be no clear right answer, hence each option seems to operate on it's own rule it's closer to magic than sci-fi science, sci-fi science tries to adhere to it's own rules, the Crucible does whatever the writers wanted it to lore and inherant contradictions be damned. <_<
  
• Because initally the crew just appeared on the Normandy without reason, the EC added this to connect the dots. It doesn't make much sense in the context of the situation but that's the reason this happens,
  
• Because the writers wanted some symbolism, which is also why the Normandy ends up crashing on that lush green planet often refered to as Eden. It's supposed to leave you with a sense of hope and a new begining. Don't think it worked personally. 
  
• Anderson's name is also up on the wall with no ambiguity. I guess they must have felt a disturbance in the force or something. Or whoever wrote the scene decided symbolism onces again trumps context and logic.

EDIT: Should also say welcome to the forum OP, hope you get some answers and a few laughs out of us before we drive you up the walls.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 30 avril 2013 - 03:30 .

[Archonsg]

deleted double post on edit.
stupid phone!

Modifié par Archonsg, 30 avril 2013 - 03:10 .

[remydat]

TheBorgPrincess
 
1.  I don't think it is ever made explicit that they could not build technology themselves.  They certainly enthralled other species to do their bidding but I can clean my house but I still hire a maid to do it.  Why because why do it myself when I can get someone to do it for me?

2.  As Leviathan says you cannot imagine a galaxy that bends to your will.  They created an AI to solve the problem at any cost.  They were arrogant and in their arrogance did not envision the solution would involve killing themselves.  It is akin to how many of the heroes in Greek tragedy were undone by their own hubris.

3.  From the Catalyst's perspective, organic life would have ended back during the Leviathan cycle ie billions of years ago because once the synthetic race created by the Leviathan thralls killed the thralls, they would be in a position to kill all organic life for eternity.  This synthetic race could simply make Earth uninhabitable for more complex life long before we ever evolved into what we are today.  A billion years ago, what species on earth would have been able to defeat them?

4.  The Geth are the cave men of synthetics because they are created before the harvest.  Even then within a few years of their birth, they were advanced enough to kill billions of Quarians, an organic race that presumably had several million years of evolution.  That is the problem.  Once they are born, they evolve much faster than organics and at that point organic's only hope is to pray they don't get pissed at them.

5.  This is mentioned by the Catalyst in the end.  You may have missed it but it is stated by the catalyst that all life organc and synthetic is harvested. 

6.  EDI was originally an AI on Luna.  When TIM went to build the Normandy, he installed that Rogue AI on Luna as the ship's intelligence.  Likewise, the Catalyst likely existed as an AI prior to the Citadel and then when the Reapers built the Citadel, they built it with Catalyst as the AI of the Citadel. 

7.  The purpose of the harvest is to re-start the technological development of each cycle.  The fact the crucible plans leaked through the cycles and was able to be built is proof that the harvest is not doing the job.  It is proof that organics are more resourceful than it imagined.  Thus, it is happy to let organics decide their own fate because they have proven themselves by defeating the solution.

8.  It just finished talking about how you are different and rewards you by letting you decide the fate of the galaxy and you throw a temper tantrum.  It probably was like even the Galaxy's savior is still a stupid petty organic willing to condemn trillions to die because it didn't get a perfect ending.   And yes AIs get angry.  Legion basically gets pissed and tries to choke Shep out if you refuse the Reaper Code upload.

9.  Because you beat it's solution.  That is your reward.  The cycles were a solution and an experiment according to Leviathan.  That experiment ended when the plans for the crucible were able to survive across cycles and be built. 

10. The Citadel is a means to transmit energy and matter across the galaxy.  At some point, the plans for it was changed to incorporate the catalyst ie Citadel.  Most likely we can assume that whoever changed the plans did so because they figured out they could use the Citadel to power and/or transmit energy across the galaxy.

11.  How does warp, singularity, or all the other biotic powers work?  How does the Mass Relays really work?  Or eezo?  None of this stuff is explained in explicit detail in the game.  If so, I must have missed it.

12.  Because humans are human.  We are not always logical when people we love are in danger.

13.  Because they are shot to pieces and can't help.  Should they stick around and die just to prove their love?  Why would you let them if you actually love them?

14.  Because it is a motif in a lot of movies where the loved one just knows in their heart of heart that their love one is either dead or alive. 

Modifié par remydat, 30 avril 2013 - 03:38 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Archonsg wrote...

But if forewarned, Sevial's and Wolf's posts can be good reads.

Actually, I *do* see much of Sevial's reasoning in his posts and *can* view things from his perspective.
Its just that both of them are so quick to dismiss you as an inferior, intellectually or otherwise, that makes both of them easy to hate.

Well, perhaps hate isn't the right word, as for myself, it's a mix of pity and horror (Sevial did extort the virtues of The Holocaust and did recommend a eugenics program for the human race) but, there you go.

;-)

I'm in utter shock that people out there exist like that. And I'm an OEF Vet. - I've seen some real nutcases (from both sides).

Seival will literally pull a conclusion out of his ass and call it objective fact. He'll take a piece of information and distort it or its meaning to suit his opinions and he will use the most outlandish idea to clarify his opinion. And if anyone doesn't see it his way, they completely missed the point. 

If you don't choose synthesis, you are a fool for holding back evolution and lose your say over whether or not you want to be synthesized (anyone who doesn't loses their say). He thinks the Reapers are a good thing and views them as the pinnacle of existence and is genuinely surprised that people don't agree with him on his conclusions.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Let's not derail things, those two might not even show up.

[Wayning_Star]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

But if forewarned, Sevial's and Wolf's posts can be good reads.

Actually, I *do* see much of Sevial's reasoning in his posts and *can* view things from his perspective.
Its just that both of them are so quick to dismiss you as an inferior, intellectually or otherwise, that makes both of them easy to hate.

Well, perhaps hate isn't the right word, as for myself, it's a mix of pity and horror (Sevial did extort the virtues of The Holocaust and did recommend a eugenics program for the human race) but, there you go.

;-)

I'm in utter shock that people out there exist like that. And I'm an OEF Vet. - I've seen some real nutcases (from both sides).

Seival will literally pull a conclusion out of his ass and call it objective fact. He'll take a piece of information and distort it or its meaning to suit his opinions and he will use the most outlandish idea to clarify his opinion. And if anyone doesn't see it his way, they completely missed the point. 

If you don't choose synthesis, you are a fool for holding back evolution and lose your say over whether or not you want to be synthesized (anyone who doesn't loses their say). He thinks the Reapers are a good thing and views them as the pinnacle of existence and is genuinely surprised that people don't agree with him on his conclusions.

or he/she's just teasing for the sake of reaction, not a troll per se, just an investive writer. There is no way to tell about who posters really are by their text messages online. Not even guessing at motivation, as the signals are often misread.

None of the posters, no matter what they post, bothers me...

(as long as my canon remains canon...lol)

[Megaton_Hope]

TheBorgPrincess wrote...

Why does the Normandy land in the middle of a battle zone to pick up two squadmates? I know they're supposed to be injured, but... it seems like really terrible military tactics to risk an entire frigate for that.

Definitely. That was a late addition in Extended Cut to address a plot hole (that your squad members could appear spontaneously on Normandy after being stranded in London), which kind of added a new plot hole.

Why is your LI getting ready to hang Shep's name on the memorial wall if there is some ambiguity as to if (s)he's alive or not? It seems strange that they would even entertain the idea that Shepard is dead until they actually get back to the Citadel to search. But we see the memorial scene before we see the Normandy leave the planet and before the breath scene even. [/list]

Well, the Normandy has a "quantum entanglement communicator" that can communicate with Earth instantly. Shepard was probably reported MIA. MIA becomes KIA easily enough. As such, there's good reason for Normandy to mourn Shepard, while the love interest is expressing a hope against hope during the ceremony that Shepard lived.

I
really dislike the entire Crucible idea and because I don't understand
how the Crucible/Citadel combo can 1) instantly kill all synthetics, 2)
instantly alter the entire galaxy on a molecular level, or 3) turn
Shepard into Reaper controller. I guess there's really no explanation
for this though and I'm just supposed to accept it as just sci-fi
science?

Well, I don't like it either. That's pretty much the thing that most people dislike the most about the last game.

I
don't understand the synthetic/organic conflict. To say that synthetics
“will always kill” organics to the point of total and complete
annihilation suggests that synthetics have some sort of vendetta against
organics. We have seen NO evidence of this thus far.

Yeah, I agree, I don't know whose idea that was, but it just made no sense to me to put that idea in the mouth of a supposedly very  intelligent creature.

On
that note, why does the Catalyst get mad if you shoot at him? I didn't
do this, but saw it happen on a YouTube clip and I was really surprised.
He's an AI and and hologram right? Why would he ever be angry at you
shooting at his holographic construct of a body? Also, do AI's get angry? I thought the whole point was that they were logical to a fault.

Plus, presumably the "Destroy" option that he offers you kills him, which will do significantly more harm to his underlying mechanism than firing a round through an image.

I dunno, a lot of what we see in the game is just incomprehensible to me.

[Archonsg]

@massivelyeffective0730

You were in Afghanistan?
*respect*

But yeah.
The thing is, not all of his post scream "nut job!" he does at times seem reasonable and then *wham!* he does his thing.

Anyways, to the OP, I am still of the believe that the ending and many things related to the ending were poorly written. Some originally so, some written later to try to explain or justify the original.

As with anything else, trying to justify or explain away something illogical to begin with, just create more holes and points of logic breaks.

[TheRealJayDee]

I don't really have the time and motivation for a detailed response, that's for other to do. For now just a warm welcome to the nuthouse! Take your time to digest the answers you'll get here, and take them into consideration carefully while developing and/or strengthening your own view of ME3. There are a lot of strong opinions to be found on the BSN, presented with varying degrees of civility.
Just keep an open mind and try to be excellent to your fellow forumites - and again, welcome!

[Wayning_Star]

TheBorgPrincess wrote...

Hi everyone. I'm new to the forums and let me just apologize in advance for the really long post. I just finished the game a few days ago (with Leviathan and the EC) and honestly, I am so confused by the ending. I just feel kind of hollow and frustrated about the whole game now. The problem for me is not only did I feel that it was emotionally
unsatisfying, but I also don't think large portions of how the Reaper conflict was solved make any sense!

I've spent a while going through the forums and trying to read about stuff to figure it all out but it's difficult because many threads seemed to quickly devolve into personal criticisms about people who liked the ending vs. people who didn't. Also, many of the threads I found happened before the EC, so I don't know if they're even applicable. So, I've written down the major questions I have with the game. I was hoping that you guys could maybe help me answer them? Obviously this would be helpful not only for me, but also for anyone who played the game and was left feeling confused/unsatisfied.

If you post about one of my questions, below, please reference the question number!

• Leviathans were unable to explore space/build ships/ build technology themselves right? (I'm basing
  this off the linked codex entry and what you hear in the DLC.) That is why it was so important that they were able to “enthrall” land-based species? So then how did they build the AI in the first place?
  Answer: it's not explained  how they built the intelligence, only why they built it. Generally speaking.
  
  
• Why would Leviathans create a synthetic to kill other synthetics because they were afraid of the synthetics constantly rebelling and killing thrall species? The Leviathan you talk to makes it seem like they distrusted synthetics from the get-go, so creating an AI solution makes little sense to me. If you were concerned about this, wouldn't you not build any synthetics at all? 
  Answer: The Leviathan didn't build the intelligence to destroy life, it was to figure out a way for the thralls to not get destroyed by the synthetic life forms they apparently created. It's assumed this was due to the idea that synthetic life would and did compete with organic life/thralls and won, thus destroying Leviathan thralls. The "catalyst" came upon the scene when it decided, for what ever reason, yet not explained and harvested it's own creators, the Leviathan. Hence the cycle started then with the harvests. The intelligence, once gone self aware became the catalyst, with it's own 'solution' to the chaos, of synthetic beings destroying their thrall creators.
  
  
• On harvesting as a logical solution to life preservation (and an AI developed this, so at the very least, it should be logical): I get the notion that organics will make synthetics, synthetics will kill organics, etc, etc. But... you're killing organics anyway by harvesting. The only difference is, you're speeding up the kill/grow cycle and yay, you
  make a giant reaper in the “likeness” of the races you just killed. How in the world is harvesting actually making anything any better?
  Answer: To the catalyst, harvest is NOT killing, it's preserving the harvested in the form of reapers, or as I call them reaperships, as that is what they are. Opinions on this differs as to them being only ships of the catalyst, doing its bidding, harvesting and such. It appears they are quasi independent of the catalyst, but it ultimately controls them. The ships harvest the catalyst figured out why. We don't really get to know either intimately, so we're to assume they are one in the same, in regard to harvests. But the ships do the deed, the catalyst monitors, for its long term search for a solution to the chaos, or organics vs. synthetics. The question still remains as to why it harvested the Leviathan.
  
  
• I don't understand the synthetic/organic conflict. To say that synthetics “will always kill” organics to the point of total and complete annihilation suggests that synthetics have some sort of vendetta against organics. We have seen NO evidence of this thus far. The geth fought only as long as it took to save themselves. It's not like they went
  off Rannoch and started murdering organics on their own. This only happened when the Reapers started messing with them. So I guess the problem is again, aren't the Reapers creating the problem that the AI is saying they're solving? 
  Answer: As with any supposed society, or race, as used in the MEU to denote 'beings' of organized government or society, competition erupts when one or the other tend to control or exert their influence upon the other. Being synthetic or organic doesn't matter. The synthetics are considered superior in the fact that organics created them to better their existence, depend on them more and more, up and until they became a competitor. The strife breaks out and followed by destruction. The catalyst observed that synthetic beings out matched the organics and ended up destroying them. The story leaves it at that, but the quarian/geth confrontation is the only 'real time' example of such strife. Edi is a human version of synthetic life. The curious part still remains as to why the catalyst harvests the Leviathan, rather than destroying them. It even missed a few, as there were survivor Leviathan. This may be construed as it's intention to preserve through harvests, organic and synthetic life. AS it harvests both each cycle and keeps their DNA and uses their intelligence some how for the reapership mind and is connected to those minds.
  
  
• There is no mention of the Reapers wiping out the cycle's existing synthetics during the harvest process so that the new cycle can start from a clean slate. Am I just supposed to assume that this happens? Otherwise, if the Reapers come along, harvest all the organics and leave, wouldn't there still be fully operational synthetics running around now ruling the galaxy? If the idea is that synthetics/organics are always in conflict, didn't you just give the synthetic team a leg up?
  Answer: It does take the synthetics in evidence for harvest, but it's not explained much. Organics and synthetics are not in constant battle, only up and until they 'compete' with each other, does the catalysts' chaos erupt.
  
  
• Leviathan says the Reapers built the mass effect relays and the Citadel, to speed the cycles. But isn't the Citadel part of the Catalyst? At first I thought, ok, the Citadel is just where the Catalyst lives, but then in the end scene the AI kid literally tells Shepard “no, the Citadel is a part of me.” If this is true, then how did the Catalyst build the Reapers and then the Reapers build the Catalyst?
  Answer: No, the Leviathan thralls built the relays and then helped the catalyst harvest the Leviathan. It was a surprise attack and the Levi were taken unawares that their thralls had mutinied.  The citadel is a hub for the catalyst, it's unknown for sure exactly what the catalyst is or where it actually resides. During the end conference with Shepard, it alludes to the citadel as its home, but it's also connected to all the reapership, via some sort of communication not explained, only hinted/alluded to. The Leviathan built the 'intelligence' and that machine or super computer entity became the catalyst. It didn't inform it's builders that it was sentient and could 'make decisions' on it's own far beyond it's design. The leviathan designed it to find a resolution for the thrall synthetic conflicts addressed as 'chaos' by the catalyst. These confrontations existed before the intelligence became the catalyst,it's reason for existence. It hadn't found a solution other than harvests, so the story goes.
  
  
• Why does the AI suddenly decide his “solution won't work anymore?” He claims that Shepard standing there talking to him is proof of this but he can easily just kill Shepard and the cycle can continue as normal. Since this
  is what happens in the refuse ending, the AI's solution clearly does still work, right?
  Answer: The crucible somehow, but not explained, made it possible for the catalyst to fathom other concepts not available for the 'solution' to the chaos, mentioned earlier. Apparently, Shepard and with the attached crucible, gave the catalyst the ability to see beyond it's current solution, that being harvest. But as the choices menu is explained, the need for another's input was in evidence. That being Shepard. Apparently the crucible was key to making this possible as the provided choices. It's not explained how this works though, it just does.
  
  
• On that note, why does the Catalyst get mad if you shoot at him? I didn't do this, but saw it happen on a YouTube clip and I was really surprised. He's an AI and and hologram right? Why would he ever be angry at you shooting at his holographic construct of a body? Also, do AI's get angry? I thought the whole point was that they were logical to a fault.
  Answer: My opinion on the catalyst 'getting mad' isn't exactly what happens, it's just being a reaper and that switches it off the crucible and Shepard's input. The SO BE IT only seems like anger, as I don't believe it's capable of anger. I took that as being 'absolute' in it's thinking/actions. Once that happens, it's pretty much on full harvest mode, as it's no longer under the influence of Shepard and the crucible. This just seems correct to me, there is NO explanation given for the inflection of the catalyst, or if that it was even angry at all.
  
  
• Why would the AI willingly offer Shepard a chance to destroy the Reapers/Catalyst? Isn't the AI convinced that the harvest is necessary? In the same vein, why would the AI let you control it/the Reapers?
  Answer: The crucible 'changed' it gave it 'new options' not available and it concedes that its 'harvest solution' won't work anymore. Why it came up with that is an unknown. The only reason given is that the crucible somehow provides for it.
  
  
• How did the races build a power source (the Crucible) for a weapon (the Citadel) that they didn't even know was a weapon? Are we supposed to assume that some of the other previous races did know that the Citadel was a big weapon? 
  Answer: The crucible was only theorized as a weapon, the citadel was only later supposed to be the place to take the crucible, as the story tells of this later by way of prothean Ai on thessia. Theres more to it, but generally that's it.
  
  
• I really dislike the entire Crucible idea and because I don't understand how the Crucible/Citadel combo can 1) instantly kill all synthetics, 2) instantly alter the entire galaxy on a molecular level, or 3) turn Shepard into Reaper controller. I guess there's really no explanation for this though and I'm just supposed to accept it as just sci-fi science?
  Answer: There is no way to respond to your likes or dislikes. The Crucible is an energy source the Citadel is where the catalyst  resides and Shepard is the lucky duck who makes it up there to invoke the choices made available.How this is accomplished is by way of billion years old, or older harvested race technology at work. The real unknowns are who engineers the crucible to work with the different choices. The choices menu could be written by someone else, but is likely Shepard through the communative bond with the catalyst after getting up there. Opinion varies if Shepard is up there in the flesh, or just an idea of Sheps mentality. It would seem that Shep could very well, still be earthbound and only up there like with the Leviathan. A form of communication, or 'link' with the synthetic life form of the catalyst. I've even thought of it as an organic computer with lots of computing power and the crucible only overdrives it. But that's not explained or even alluded to in the story. Shep just ends up there with the catalyst to make the choices provided. We're not informed of who designed the crucible or actually author the choices.
  
  
• Why does the Normandy land in the middle of a battle zone to pick up two squadmates? I know they're supposed to be injured, but... it seems like really terrible military tactics to risk an entire frigate for that.
  Answer: There is no actual answer for that, Possibly just to save squaddies, but there are many theories about it, as there are questions as to it's practicality.
  
  
• Why do your squadmates get on the ship?! They just spent a long time professing their dedication to
  you and the mission, and promising to fight to the death. I romanced Garrus and I guess it bugs me because this seems especially out of character for him. 
  Answer: They are either wounded and/or Shep orders them aboard. No other reasons are given.
  
  
• Why is your LI getting ready to hang Shep's name on the memorial wall if there is some ambiguity as to if (s)he's alive or not? It seems strange that they would even entertain the idea that Shepard is dead until they actually get back to the Citadel to search. But we see the memorial scene before we see the Normandy leave the planet and before the breath scene even. Answer: No given answer for this. I didn't choose destroy or control ever, so I didn't get into the breath scene or surviving Shepard and regained loves. I literally fried bigger fish is all. The general answer I can think of is just gaps in the scenes, not intentional misrepresentations. It's just the way the thing turned out. Shep losing worn armor on the ground and none up with the catalyst, to be back breathing with armor on and I was more confused with the star gazer information, as related to various endings scenarios all seemed the same to me, as I watched them from posts here. ??

See answers under each of the listed query. Hope this helps..

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 30 avril 2013 - 04:44 .

[majinstrings]

11. I find it kinda weird (or stupid) that it can do all of that but it can't just single out the Reapers to destroy...

[Obadiah]

It sure would be nice if we had an official story FAQ from the Devs to explain what they meant to convey by the ending.

[Aravius]

Obadiah wrote...

It sure would be nice if we had an official story FAQ from the Devs to explain what they meant to convey by the ending.

At this point, I'd pay $10 just to know what the heck they were thinking????????

[Yestare7]

 


Hi there, and welcome to the forum!!
I see a lot of people are getting into the questions, let me just serve you with an all-encompassing answer!!!
www.youtube.com/watch

[Yestare7]

Great minds think alike!!

[PsyrenY]

AresKeith wrote...

Today I got accused of not caring about EDI and the Geth just because I chose Destroy and not the others 

Yeah, and I meant it when I said it. I didn't think it would bother you so much that you'd spread it to other threads, but I'm not taking it back either.

@OP:

1) I'm not sure why you think they haven't achieved space flight - literally the second paragraph of their codex entry says they must have. They do apparently use the thralls to research other things though.

2) The Leviathans were both arrogant and foolish, a dangerous combination.

3) MCB goes into this in more detail, but basically - harvesting hits the reset button on the galaxy. The Catalyst's chosen time frame is likely related to the time it will take for an organic civilization to grow advanced enough to create AI.

4) The source of the conflict has multiple facets - organic fear of the superior/unknown, the rapid advancement of synthetics, their susceptibility to control, their ability to be propagated through construction, etc. Without a way to make at least the majority of us intelligent/wise at a stroke, we won't embrace the truly alien (synthetics) fast enough to stave off conflict.

5) The Catalyst tells you synthetics are also harvested.

6) Just because the Citadel is part of the kid now doesn't mean it always was. Likely he asked that his hardware be installed there, at the hub of his network trap. EDI didn't begin life on the Normandy either.

7) No, he just prefers his solution to doing nothing. So if you Refuse, he will accept a flawed solution over no solution and resume the harvest.

8) It's not anger, he just takes your outburst as a statement of Refusal. (Metagame-wise, it's Bioware having fun with the playerbase, though of course anti-enders saw it as something much more malicious as they are wont to do.)

9) Because the Crucible forced it to.

10) They did know it was a weapon. Liara and Hackett tell you this from the very beginning. They just didn't know it was meant to interface with the Citadel until after recovering Vendetta.

11) This isn't really a question. If you don't like it that's your prerogative.

12) Because Shepard ordered it to.

13) Because Shepard ordered them to.

14) Because they think s/he's dead. Occam's Razor.

[Yestare7]

AresKeith wrote...

Today I got accused of not caring about EDI and the Geth just because I chose Destroy and not the others 

Oh, me me!!   I don't care either!  I blow their asshs to Kindom come!!

(accused? Must be one of them Synthesis radicals!:lol:
they'll try to guilt you into their green world...)

Modifié par Yestare7, 30 avril 2013 - 07:06 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The anwers to all those questions are in the game. Not trying to be rude, but a second playthrough would answer a lot of your questions.

[PsyrenY]

Yestare7 wrote...

Oh, me me!!   I don't care either!  I blow their asshs to Kindom come!!

Didn't you fanfiction your way out of making a choice? :innocent:

[Astartes Marine]

AresKeith wrote...
Today I got accused of not caring about EDI and the Geth just because I chose Destroy and not the others 

Just ignore the accusatory clowns, this site has too many of them as it is. 

The only thing you should worry about, if anything, is if you feel you made the right choice.

[Yestare7]

Astartes Marine wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Today I got accused of not caring about EDI and the Geth just because I chose Destroy and not the others 

Just ignore the accusatory clowns

+1

[PsyrenY]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Just ignore the accusatory clowns, this site has too many of them as it is. 

You're living up to your signature I see 

At least let me have another yummy waffle!