40 réponses à ce sujet

[Faivon]

Hi guys,

Can I get a few tips on how to defend Redcliffe village from those skeletons? Sure, they're easy but the hard part is to keep villagers alive. So far Lloyd and Murdock always died on me and I managed to defend the others. I'm playing on normal difficulty with patch 1.02a and level ... uhm, 8 I think. I'm playing dual weapon melee DPS rogue.
Maybe I kinda messed up, I'm planning to go to the Circle of Magi but I was kinda blur at that time and walk through Redcliffe, triggered the event and now I can't leave Redcliffe T_T

I got Sten as melee DPS, Leliana as Ranged Weapon specialist, Morrigan as Ranged DPS, Alistair as Tank, Dog as .. Melee DPS and Shale as either Ranged or Melee DPS. Can I get some tips? Thanks

[I saved Star Wars :D]

I tend to have at least one healer whose only role is to heal (whether it is your party or the villagers.) Did you give Morrigan heal?

[Faivon]

Yes, I did.

Maybe I should change her tactics to heal others ... but how to clear out the crowds? Those undead seems to gather in one place then spread out. Script, I suppose.

[Tau22]

Do you still have a save before the battle? You could find more fighters to help ya. Also, you can do other things, that can help the militia and you, as well.

Also, I think Murdock is just knocked out and will magically rise after the battle. The other important chars, too.



In the battle itself, your main priority should be killing the skellies as soon as possible, so that you don't have five zombies biting you at once. At least, concentrating fire worked for me. You can also set up walls of fire using oil, before the battle.

[Dragomushra]

The oil can be found in the warehouse .. it'll trigger the option to tell that to the guy at the mill..

[SusanStoHelit]

A dedicated healer helps, but isn't necessary. Plenty of healing poultices will do the same job.

The burning oil at the top of the mill helps damage the undead - but can become a problem if your guys keep running into it. Get Dwyn to help out, and Berwyck as well. Get the armour and stuff repaired. You want morale as high as possible - if your aim is to save everyone.

You can use lots of different techniques, and which is best will depend on your playstyle - and the talents/spells/skills you have available. Most people have more problems during the second half of the attack, down at the village rather than up near the mill.

You can run down the hill to the village and set up traps in the gaps where the undead come into the defended area (if you have someone who can manufacture and set them up), run back up and help the knights, then back down to follow the villager who comes to get you. Then use your mage to Crushing Prison and/or Forcefield (if you have them) the yellow mobs to keep them out of the action while you thin the ranks of the undead. Then take out the yellows afterwards.

Crowd control (other than traps) can also be a big help, sleep + nightmare or horror. AoE spells that do NOT damage your allies are good too. If Morrigan has healing you can use various heals and buffs to help keep the villagers alive. Ranged attacks are also good, Suppressing Fire to help with cc for example, or AoS and Scattershot.

Really, it just depends on what you got. Rally is nice if you have a champion, and War Cry. Sunder Arms and Armor for a 2-hander. And so on.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 16 janvier 2010 - 09:48 .

[Faivon]

Yes, I don't have problem with the first part. The knights fights very well, They even still stand even I don't fight at all. The problem lies with the second part where I have to defend the villagers, I could win with some dead villagers but I'm kinda curious about the rewards and the events and I'm kinda perfectionist



I think Shayle's Rock throw damages allies too, even it doesn't said friendly fire possible.

Mmh, traps... I don't have a character who makes traps... Just a lot of grenades and venoms.

I see, Morrigan plays a great role in defending the villagers.. I usually lets her do the AoE damage since my party can endure that much and they'll heal themselves sooner or later anyway.



And is it just me or the undeads spawns faster than before? I mean, before I could finish 5 undeads, 2 more coming in 2 directions in a total of 8 undeads. And they seem to targetting villagers than me, even though I let Alistair use Threaten skills or Taunt, they still keep coming back to the villagers.

[Andat]

I had trouble with this (meaning the second part where you have to go into the village) on my first play-through. The way I beat it was to forget about the villagers and just concentrate on killing the skeletons.

So I left everyone at the top and took just my PC down towards the village. When a few started to come towards me I skid-addled back to the top and beat them with my full party. Wash, rinse, repeat, until they were all dead.  The trick is to not pull more than you can deal with.

Also skeletons can be stunned, so Morrigan or Shale can dive into the action and use Quake or Mind Blast to take them out of the fight for a few seconds.

Modifié par Andat, 16 janvier 2010 - 10:33 .

[mousestalker]

Do you have Wynne? Wynne generally comes with earthquake which is great for casting in front of all those militia archers. If Morrigan has Blizzard, that can work as well. Forcefield can be used to stop skellies or to protect villagers who are low on health (Murdock, for example). You can still get the 'everyone lived' reward even if Lloyd (the bartender) dies. I guess that shows how everyone feels about him.

[JosieJ]

If you're trying to save all the villagers for the achievement, your best bet is to pause a lot, keep checking which villagers are lowest on health and have Morrigan heal them. You'll have to do it manually, as she won't heal NPCs other than your companions automatically; have your companions use poultices to heal so Morrigan is always available to heal villagers. Focus fire to take enemies down quicker. Knockdown attacks like Pommel Strike or Shattering Shot will be very helpful to quickly get the undead off villagers who are on the verge of dying, but beware damaging AoE attacks, as they will damage the villagers as well as the enemy.



It's hard to say what your best team will be in that situation--that early in the game, no one really stands out over anyone else. Morrigan, of course, is mandatory for Heal. Leliana can stand back on the hill with Morrigan and shoot from afar, out of the fray for the most part. If Alistair has Taunt, he can use it to keep the enemy off the villagers. Dog has Dread Howl, which is a very useful AoE stun. Shale hits hard, so can take enemies out faster; if you've got a fire damage crystal for him/her/it, even better. Sten also hits hard, although in my experience, 2-handers take awhile to come into their own, so he might be less useful than another companion might be--it all depends on how you've leveled him up.

[dangadget]

Claw traps.

I've done it without losing anyone with no healer by using claw traps.

I have the trap-setter disengage from the windmill fight early-on, and head down to the chantry to set traps at the chokepoints leading to the defenders.

[mosspit]

Just to add on, I find getting Wynne early and having regenerate is very helpful. I dunno about this battle from others but for me, heal doesnt seem to heal much. AoE risk friendly fire so try to avoid.

1st Part: Avoid fighting near the burning oil.
2nd Part: As mentioned, pause is your best friend. Keep track of which villager being whacked and try to taunt or atk to draw aggro. Save mana to heal villagers and poutlices for the controlled party. Pause often to check who is ~below half hp and regenerate em if you can. Watch out for Llyod... for a coward he is very gungho in battle and can drift away from the barricades easily.

I managed to save everyone to get the mediocre helm on nightmare PC version on the 2nd try so it is definitely possible (1st try foiled as knights was fighting in the fire). Luck plays quite a big part though...

Modifié par mosspit, 16 janvier 2010 - 02:00 .

[Urazz]

I've saved everyone and even Lloyd the bartender (i got the fat bastard to fight) and managed to keep him alive, it's hard because he actually runs out ahead of everyone and tends to get pummeled a bit but if you keep him alive he'll also give you a ring when you go to his tavern after the battle.

[soteria]

I've actually never saved Lloyd. I can't bring myself to be concerned if he dies.



I think Cone of Cold is more useful than heal for this fight, if you have it. All the tips people have given here are good. If you're still having trouble, you could try watching the video I made (see my signature).

[Ingahootz]

Easiest way I've found to do it is...



Run tank in and AOE taunt.

Kill anything that isn't attacking your tank (going for NPCs).

Cone of Cold everything attacking your tank.

Blow up everything on tank.

Focus fire each undead mob before it reaches the friendly NPCs (they all use bows so they'll pelt the undead from far away... except for Lloyd of course).



The hardest part is controlling the initial attack that's occurring before you even get there. If you can wipe that up quickly the entire fight isn't much of a problem. Cone of Cold is HUGE on this fight (makes you take a lot less damage).

[Blaarrgg]

I saved all the villagers by using Shale's sustained ability where he does nothing but he buffs all allies' health regeneration.

[tiis]

whats the name of this achievement?

[JosieJ]

It's actually not an achievement (as I learned only after I made my post above), but you get a slightly different cutscene afterwards, a mediocre helm as a reward, and a warm feeling inside from saving all the villagers lives! 

Modifié par JosieJ, 22 février 2010 - 05:14 .

[tiis]

thanks for the reply. I can stop trying for it now

[DargonBlak]

i usually run with 2 mages, 1 tank & 1 rogue... my last time through here, i was much higher level and had Wynne use an AoE heal which i think healed even the NPCs (although i did have to cast Heal on a few of them manually).
The Heal tips are correct, and you can also set your group to Atuo-use Heal Potions to take some of the load off Wynne (i even make her use potions)... the spell then becomes a backup.
You've been given some good tips for the combat, and the ones i would highlight are related to using the "Cone of Cold"... Crowd control is what you need, and Crowd Control is what this is great for... although trying to not freeze villagers or party members with the Cone can be a nuisance, but i suppose Mavi has one solution for that...
Mass Paralysis is also good for this, and i don't think it generates much threat, but i don't know for sure...
Keep everyone alive, Keep the enemy sedated, and Concentrate on one enemy at a time (this can be done with tactics also)... luck
p.s. if your on a pc, get the re-spec package add-on (from Projects Tab), if not... well, get a PC.

Modifié par DargonBlak, 22 février 2010 - 05:50 .

[errant_knight]

I like to give Morrigan a basic healing spell, and take wynne as well, so the militia can be healed. It's also handy if one or both of them have force field.

[x-president]

Maviarab wrote...

Pah....save the villagers?

Mavi disapproves -10

LOL


I'd suggest waiting till a later level.  I usually do Redcliffe almost last in the line of quests.  Also if you don't want the Bartender to die, then don't have him fight.

Otherwise just focus on healing the people you want to live.  Most likely you'd have to control the healer. for the majority of the fight.

[DargonBlak]

p.s. Since you have't done the Tower, you only have one Mage... but it is still do-able... Also use Poison & Runes if you can; every point of damage will count.

Modifié par DargonBlak, 22 février 2010 - 05:53 .

[oldgass]

LOL
I'd suggest waiting till a later level.  I usually do Redcliffe almost last in the line of quests.  Also if you don't want the Bartender to die, then don't have him fight.

Otherwise just focus on healing the people you want to live.  Most likely you'd have to control the healer. for the majority of the fight.
[/quote]

 I was wondering how many do Redcliffe first guess I just got the asnwer sort of.