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[Boost32]

OdanUrr wrote...

Boost32 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

I'd like to point out a few things. First, and unless I'm mistaken (in which case, feel free to correct me), the only source of information about the Blight's origins is the Chantry, and I wouldn't categorize it as an objective one. I'm not saying mages weren't involved, just that the Chantry is not an unbiased source of information, particularly where mages are involved.

have you heard about Corypheus?

That guy from Legacy, right? What about him?

the magister  and friends, were lured by dumat to enter the golden/black city and were transformed into darkspawn
its not one more evidence that the magister brought the darkspawn into thedas?

[OdanUrr]

Boost32 wrote...

the magister  and friends, were lured by dumat to enter the golden/black city and were transformed into darkspawn
its not one more evidence that the magister brought the darkspawn into thedas?

According to your own statement that didn't happen willingly. Plus, cunning and trickery aren't restricted to mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Maybe not origins, but they did unleash the Darkspawn on Thedas.

[Robhuzz]

From what I remember, that mage you encounter in the blooming rose in DA2 - the blood mage involved in some templar quest - had no trouble controlling hawke and for a while kept the entire party under control just by looking at them. She nearly got hawke to kill him/herself even.

So we already knew blood magic was extremely powerful and dangerous and though I have not yet read the comic I'm not surprised about this. It's among the reasons why all my characters in both DAO and DA2 are firmly against the use of blood magic, and why I would side with the templars in future games if mages use blood magic to defend themselves.

Also possible evidence that the magisters did not create the origin of the darkspawn, as he says the black city was already black when they got there, whereas the Chantry story is that the golden city turned black as a result of their intrusion.

That Corypheus can control the darkspawn present in the fortress as well other tainted creatures/people (such as wardens) says a lot about his connection to the darkspawn. Going slightly off topic but: He should not be able to control Grey Wardens since they are immune to the taint and do not hear the call of the archdemon until it's time for their calling - it's why the Architect needed grey warden blood specifically to 'awaken' other darkspawn. I wonder how bioware is going to adress that in DA3, if they were going to follow up on it at all.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 01 mai 2013 - 05:31 .

[OdanUrr]

Robhuzz wrote...

I wonder how bioware is going to adress that in DA3, if they were going to follow up on it at all.

Probably like how they'll deal with Morrigan's child.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Considering Legacy only got one outcome, you can be quite certain that the way they will deal with Legacy, will be nothing like how they will handle Morrigan's child, since Corypheus, in all playthroughs, are freed.

[Robhuzz]

OdanUrr wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I wonder how bioware is going to adress that in DA3, if they were going to follow up on it at all.

Probably like how they'll deal with Morrigan's child.

Legacy happens regardless though doesn't it? Even when you import (assuming there will be a save import) a hawke who did not do the dlc.The old god child is optional.

Eta: Kind of ninja'ed....15 mins ago=]

Modifié par Robhuzz, 01 mai 2013 - 06:53 .

[Genshie]

Regardless mages still had a role on the invasion of the city doesn't matter if it was golden or black (now I remember that really awesome line thanks to Filament). Also like to bring up Ander's reaction if you took him with you on this paticular fight being almost flabbergasted that events weren't just a story/propaganda when pick up Corypheus' amulet.  Propaganda or not my point still stands you can't change that most of the problems that we deal with in Origins, Awakening, and DA2 were caused my mages/magic of some sort. And if this guy in this comic strip that I posted is a Tevintar mage all the more reason to worry about their interaction, which I am sure there will be some of some sort, in DA3 if we have a Fade section at least.

Modifié par Genshie, 01 mai 2013 - 08:10 .

[Genshie]

Robhuzz wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I wonder how bioware is going to adress that in DA3, if they were going to follow up on it at all.

Probably like how they'll deal with Morrigan's child.

Legacy happens regardless though doesn't it? Even when you import (assuming there will be a save import) a hawke who did not do the dlc.The old god child is optional.

Eta: Kind of ninja'ed....15 mins ago=]

Like either one of your Siblings dealing with the situation by themselves if they are currently still alive. I wonder how they resolve the action if both siblings are dead though?

[Uccio]

Tevinter magisters will rule Thedas once more. My pc will make sure of that.  

[OdanUrr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Considering Legacy only got one outcome, you can be quite certain that the way they will deal with Legacy, will be nothing like how they will handle Morrigan's child, since Corypheus, in all playthroughs, are freed.

Only if you buy Arr... I mean, Legacy!

[EmperorSahlertz]

If you didn't complete Legacy, Corypheus will still be free. No one will be tehre to even try to prevent him then, and so he is freed. Or, BioWare could just say that Hawke still went there, Varric just didn't tell Cassandra about it. Either way, Corypheus ends up free.

[OdanUrr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

If you didn't complete Legacy, Corypheus will still be free. No one will be tehre to even try to prevent him then, and so he is freed. Or, BioWare could just say that Hawke still went there, Varric just didn't tell Cassandra about it. Either way, Corypheus ends up free.

Weren't there seals preventing his escape?

[EmperorSahlertz]

The seals were breaking down IIRC.

[OdanUrr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The seals were breaking down IIRC.

So it'd come down to how fast they're beaking down then. Could be tomorrow, could be a hundred years from now.

[Boost32]

OdanUrr wrote...

Boost32 wrote...

the magister  and friends, were lured by dumat to enter the golden/black city and were transformed into darkspawn
its not one more evidence that the magister brought the darkspawn into thedas?

According to your own statement that didn't happen willingly. Plus, cunning and trickery aren't restricted to mages.

but they still brought the darkspawn into thedas
if they werent mages it would not be possible

[LobselVith8]

Genshie wrote...

Regardless mages still had a role on the invasion of the city doesn't matter if it was golden or black (now I remember that really awesome line thanks to Filament).

Which means they may not have been the first darkspawn, which is probably why the first accounts of the darkspawn by the dwarves make no reference to any darkspawn like Corypheus.

Genshie wrote...

Also like to bring up Ander's reaction if you took him with you on this paticular fight being almost flabbergasted that events weren't just a story/propaganda when pick up Corypheus' amulet.

Anders' characterization contradicts how he behaved in Awakening and Dragon Age II, where he affirms that he believes in the Chantry fable. His religious Andrastian views are why he has religious debates with Merrill.

Genshie wrote...

Propaganda or not my point still stands you can't change that most of the problems that we deal with in Origins, Awakening, and DA2 were caused my mages/magic of some sort.

We have no evidence who created the darkspawn, and Corypheus' admission calls into doubt whether the Magisters were even the first darkspawn, especially if the City was Black. The events in Dragon Age II involved the Qunari and Meredith's dictatorship, where templars were murdering civilians in broad daylight.

Genshie wrote...

And if this guy in this comic strip that I posted is a Tevintar mage all the more reason to worry about their interaction, which I am sure there will be some of some sort, in DA3 if we have a Fade section at least.

Perhaps this is the kind of power that the Old God Baby can wield, if he's a mage.

[Plaintiff]

Genshie wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

If this is all it takes, your convictions can't have been that strong to begin with.

We always knew that mages had the capability to do very dangerous things.

Yes, but so far all those mages who have done dangerous things have been either A. Influenced by demons B. Influenced by spirits or C. Just plain crazy. We have had a very little interaction with Tevintar (sp?) mages and so far it tends to be the worst type of mages since they are all most definitaly not insane or being influenced.

So? Because of one country of jerks you're going to slaughter and oppress an entire continent of mages that have no connection with Tevinter and no desire to be like Tevinter?

[Plaintiff]

OdanUrr wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

If you didn't complete Legacy, Corypheus will still be free. No one will be tehre to even try to prevent him then, and so he is freed. Or, BioWare could just say that Hawke still went there, Varric just didn't tell Cassandra about it. Either way, Corypheus ends up free.

Weren't there seals preventing his escape?

Yes, but during the events of Legacy Hawke encounters a squad of Grey Wardens who have come with the deliberate intent of freeing Corypheus. Presumably, if Hawke never experienced the events of Legacy, they succeeded in doing exactly that.

[EdwinLi]

Plaintiff wrote...

Yes, but during the events of Legacy Hawke encounters a squad of Grey Wardens who have come with the deliberate intent of freeing Corypheus. Presumably, if Hawke never experienced the events of Legacy, they succeeded in doing exactly that.

ya basically the events of Legacy will be change to a point of view when Hawke never gotten involved in the events of those DLCs.....

For example:

In Legacy because Hawke was not there Corypheous still became released by Janeka and she became possessed by Corypheous by default. However, the wardens did not obtain info of the events in Legacy so they remain unaware of Corypheous existance which leads to the lose of certain Wardens probably becoming indoctronated by Corypheous.

In Mark of the Assassin because Hawke never helped Tallis she failed at her mission and the identity of the Qunari spies are exposed which result in the death of countless innocent people who are not involved in the Qunari or have left the Qunari long ago. Those people may have been able to help with handling the Qunari if they lived.

These events will affect your Main character's mission negatively becuase it makes it more difficult for him or her in certain ways to complete the main mission in DA3 because Hawke did not get involved in these DLCs.

Modifié par EdwinLi, 02 mai 2013 - 03:54 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

OdanUrr wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The seals were breaking down IIRC.

So it'd come down to how fast they're beaking down then. Could be tomorrow, could be a hundred years from now.

For the purpose of storytelling, I'm gonna guess that Corypheus will be free sooner, rather than later.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Genshie wrote...

I know its not cannon I just said if we have to face someone like this particular mage in DA3.

Face him?  I'd like my mage PC to replace him in that throne.

[Hazegurl]

I always end up picking the Templar side in DA2 as I don't need to see mages like the one in the comic to know that there are plenty of mages who do not need to be influenced by demons to think like him. Actually the fact that many choose to make deals with demons pretty much means that it isn't the influence of a demon they were driven by, but their own desire for power and their own laziness and need to take a shortcut to that power.

I hope I meet this guy in DA3 so I can shoot a lightening bolt up his ***.

[Jugo616]

Try disobeing the rules set by the rich and the powerful of our non magical world and you will see, that they can turn your life into a nightmere without any need for super powers. Atleast mages power actualy comes from his own merit. Suppresing the evolutionary superior just because some peasants are scared of them is stupid.