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[Noctis Augustus]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

funny how 80% of ppl still support mages only because of *COOL MAGIC* and because templars are religious.
stop lying to yourself... 90% of mages we met in-game were ****bags including emo child merill and manipulative ***** morrigan.

[Tenshi]

oh, you know how to link a picture, now i take you seriously.. i mean.. so 括弧意 anime picture, im completely stuned. X.X now do you have any logical counter-argument? which is what these forums are for, or can i move on?

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 04 mai 2013 - 10:12 .

[Tenshi]

Seraph Cross wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

funny how 80% of ppl still support mages only because of *COOL MAGIC* and because templars are religious.
stop lying to yourself... 90% of mages we met in-game were ****bags including emo child merill and manipulative ***** morrigan.

I love how you call Merril emo yet you have " 2emo4u " in your username

Anyways, about  90% of the templars we have have seen are blind and extremely close minded zealots.

Fact is,Bioware needs to work on giving us better gray morality between the two. Hopefully they do that in the next dragon age game.

With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out. §

oh yes.. 90%..... by that you mean.... meredith.. who was droven into madness by lyrium.. or........ cullen? who had all his friends murdered before his eyes by blood mages?

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if they try, then they quickly lose that quality.

What quality? This is what I'm driving at: the only elves you actually care about are the Dalish. The other elves are only allowed to continue to exist insofar as they don't jeopardize the views or goals of the Dalish.

To clarify: I believe that his specific action there was a bad idea and unnecessarily risked the lives of Kirkwall's mages in its execution, but I do agree that resistance against the templars is necessary.

That's still a dodge. A "bad idea" and "unnecessarily risked the lives" doesn't mean you don't see it as immoral. It just means that you think Anders should have done the same thing under different circumstances. It's like someone saying that Meredith was wrong because she declared the ROA without sufficient templar forces. 

I was referring to the antaam being forced to kill Sten if he returned.

Execution of deserters doesn't mean slavery, even if the definition of it is stupid. 

No, they're not. They're not only attacking their oppressors, but their own people.

We didn't see any evidence that the elves attacked elves. We see them attacking humans, and Hawke. And so what if they are attacking their "own people"? Are we back to "ape shall never kill ape"? Are human mages to be condmened because they're killing other humans, "their own people"?

It's not for the elves, but for those who choose to join the Qun; those who don't will be ground down just like the oppressors in question.

I can't parse this sentence.

No, the Chantry was unwilling to start a war because of the mages seceding. Evidently, the Chantry wasn't willing to sacrifice Thedas' stability based on that, and the mages didn't need to target it. It was the templars who pushed the issue.

The mages were clealry targeting the social order and structure of Thedas. The Qunari clearly showed that they won't forcefully convert if people willing surrender and convernt, but the Chantry's acquiesence to the mages doesn't mean that the mages aren't motivated by ideology and aren't going to radically restructure Thedas if succesful. 

[Tenshi]

of course they take them from their families, tevinter is exelent example of when mages are let out of leash and word called * humanity* is completely swooped of the table.

but i agree with your last point.

[LobselVith8]

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

Trying....to ...resist...the power...of the mage....debate.....Oh well. [/quote]

We don't have to discuss it if you'd prefer.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The mages wanted autonomy. The templars decided to go to war over it.[/quote]

Their idiotic tatics is what brought them war. [/quote]

The mages made a democratic vote for autonomy. This is something Wynne brought up when she was in the City of Amaranthine - that many mages wanted to break away from the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars. Wynne also acknowledged that she advised against breaking away from the Andrastian Chantry because the Chantry would rather kill all the mages rather than see them free.

If the templars broke away from the Chantry to kill the mages for being free from their domination, I don't see why you blame the mages. As Aldenon said centuries ago, "A civilization cannot be civil if it condones the slavery of another. And that is what this Circle is! But by accident of birth, those mages would be free to live, love, and die as they choose. The Circles will break - if it be one year, a decade, a century, or beyond. Tyrants always fall, and the downtrodden always strive for freedom!"

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

That doesn't change the fact that Dragon Age II is full of insane and stupid mage antagonists... [/quote]

Just admit that your problem is that you see no mage as capable of doing wrong. I guess to you Danarius was a good man and Fenris was just making it all up. [/quote]

I blame Caladrius and the Tevinter mages for enslaving the elves from Denerim. I blame the blood mages in Denerim who took advantage of the people and killed them. I blame Father Eirik for trying to murder my Warden, and killing other people who entered Haven. I blame Keeper Marethari for releasing Audacity, and falling prey to the machinations of this trapped spirit (or demon, depending on the religious views your character holds, as the Dalish don't believe that the denizens of the Beyond are the Children of the Maker like Anders does).

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore scenarios where mages simply don't make any sense. Decimus shouldn't have thought Hawke and his moiety crew were templars, especially with Merrill among his company. Tahrone looked like a crack addict and sounded like a raving lunatic, making it unrealistic that anyone would follow her. Grace made no sense when she wanted to exact revenge on Hawke for helping her, to the point of killing templars to protect her and her fellow Starkhaven mages.

It was one insane and stupid mage antagonist after another. Quentin was right out of a bad soap opera plot, along with Leandra being the doppleganger of his first wife, and Orsino somehow knew a blood magic ritual that can clearly only be done once  - which he used while he was right next to Kirkwall mages and Hawke, because... the Plot Dictates. Dragon Age II was an example of the developers trying to show the dangers of magic by having most of the mages act like idiotic lunatics. It was an asinine decision on their part.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The Resolutionists wanted autonomy. And they attacked the left-hand of the Divine who would prefer an Exalted March to mage autonomy. [/quote]

Anarchist want autonomy from the government. Are you saying that it's okay for them to run around murdering government officals to make it happen? [/quote]

Meredith was murdering civilians with her death squad in broad daylight, and illegally seized power over the city. The Divine and the Seekers of Truth did nothing about this for years. Even Leliana was willing to blame a small faction we only encounter once, instead of the despot who was causing unrest among the different groups living in Kirkwall.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Except for the templars who oppose her, the nobles who simply didn't approach you, the civilians who condemn Meredith regardless of what your Hawke advocates, and the people being murdered by Meredith's death squad. [/quote]

You mean those fools who got killed by mages? Those noble didn't approach cause they don't exist in my world. [/quote]

Those nobles exist in your world; they simply don't approach you because you support a despot. Just like the templars exist in the world of my pro-mage apostate Hawke.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

Oh and I love the dramatic "death squad" there. [/quote]

That's what they're called in the game. In Dragon Age II. That's not a term I invited for them; that's what they are actually labelled by the game - via the developers.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

Well I didn't see people dying all over the streets of Kirkwall nor did I see smoke rising from the Gallows from Meredith's N*zi gas chambers you seem to imagine her having. I may not approve of her being Viscount but I think anti Meredith posters go a little overboard here. [/quote]

No one is inventing the issues they have with Meredith's dictatorship.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Because Leliana's reasoning was moronic. The mages are at fault because she lured an enemy of the Chantry to attack her? It makes no sense, so your criticism is unwarranted.

Also, I'm pointing out the fallacy of people wanting to harm the mages by pointing out the fact that the Gallows are surrounded by water a good distance from the shore.[/quote]

I didn't realize that just setting up a secret meeting was enough to lure otherwise innocent people(who knew of no such meeting) to attack.  And like no one can get to the Gallows. Besides, I've already stated that I don't care about Meredith's mob reason. I understand where she is coming from but that is all. If she decided not to call an RoA I wouldn't say she was wrong. If I was her I would have waited to see what was going to happen, give Anders a public execution, lock up the mages and search their rooms, kill any practicing blood mages, and wait. If civil unrest occurs within Kirkwall, call the RoA to prevent the Exalted March. I see no need in keeping alive mages that will die anyway. [/quote]

"I let word slip that an agent of the Divine was coming to investigate the mage troubles". - Sister Nightingale

You were saying something about a secret meeting...?

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Cullen is hardly any better than Meredith. He thinks mages shouldn't be treated like people, views them as weapons, and supports the Tranquil Solution. He's only willing to stop Meredith when she threatens Hawke, not when the templars are killing hundreds of innocent people. [/quote]

Cullen was miles better than Meredith. He was against the RoA. He admitted that it is only for circles that are lost. He doesn't have to live up the butt crack of mages just to do his job right. [/quote]

You pretty much ignore every point I make in explaining why I think Cullen is hardly any better than Meredith. Your point also handwaves the fact that Cullen stood by while hundreds of men, women, and children were being killed because Meredith condemned them for the actions of one man. I guess you could argue that he was just "following orders".

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill is an intelligent mage who seeks to restore revolutionary technology to irrevocably change the lives of the People. I don't see a reason to vilify her for trying to stop the plight of the elves.

Also, considering Marethari fell prey to Audacity while Merrill didn't, your comment makes no sense; also, your comment ignores that Audacity is sundered from the Fade and trapped, rendering him harmless unless it is released from it's prison, you're wrong about Merrill.[/quote]

Merrill was a straight up moron who thought she could outwit demons and was a racist. [/quote]

Racist? That must explain Merrill being in a romance with my human Hawke, being good friends with Isabela, being friends with Varric, and arguing for Hawke to let Anders atone for his actions despite the fact that Anders has treated her horribly for nearly a decade...

...not to mention she also doesn't want Fenris enslaved, despite the fact that he has also treated her monstrously for several years.

You seem to continue making comments that are easily disproven by the actual game. You might want to avoid that if you respond to this message. Just a suggestion.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

She was all buttered up for that demon but was saved due to Marethari's sick obsession to protect her. There is no such thing as a harmless spirit so even Merrill would disagree with your statement. [/quote]

Audacity is sundered from the Fade and trapped in a totem. It can't harm anyone, unless it is released. You do realize this is pointed out in the short story as well, right? And I'm not sure how Marethari protected Merrill when she released Audacity, became an abomination, and tried to kill her.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean people who want freedom instead of slavery. [/quote]

No, I mean people who desire their freedom who actually know how to use that thing stuffed inside their skull. [/quote]

I don't think the mages are stupid simply because they chose a life of freedom over one of servitude. Even the Hero of Ferelden can ask for his people to be given their independence, while the new ruler of Ferelden can publicly agree that the mages have earned the right to govern themselves.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

I already care more about the elves living in the occupied kingdom of the Dales than I do about Empress Celene or Grand Duke Gaspard. I simply detest the Qunari like I do the Andrastian Chantry. [/quote]

This is about whether or not you care about slaughtering those elves in the street. You don't, now move on. [/quote]

I killed Qunari who threatened everyone. Elves, humans, dwarves. It doesn't matter that some of those Qunari were also elves.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Your comparison makes no sense. The mages want to leave Kirkwall with their lives; the Qunari elves tried to help impose a sexist, barbaric system on the people of Kirkwall.... [/quote]

It does, you just disagree with it. [/quote]

No, it doesn't make any sense. I already explained how the situations are completely different.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

You seem to not think that it's important for the city elves to do whatever it takes to end their suffering. You seem to only care for the suffering of the mages. [/quote]

That must explain that thread where I state I'm more interested in helping the elves living in the occupied kingdom of the Dales than I am in helping either Empress Celene or Grand Duke Gaspard.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

Bringing up mage suffering as a counter argument means absolutely nothing here, because we are talking about the suffering of the city elves and the daily abuses they have lived with and the violent means they have chosen to free themselves of it. You always mention the "men, women, and children." being murdered but really you only care because they are mages.  Anyway, both groups are disadvantaged and both groups opted for violence to end it. Yet you seem to be of the opinion that it's okay for one group but not the other.  [/quote]

You realize the Alienage elves would have suffered under the Qunari as well, right? The horror stories about the people who refused to convert to the Qun? That's what makes your argument so absurd.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Last but not least, I'm not trying to change your mind. I simply think that it's inaccurate to say that siding with Meredith is a pro-templar choice when siding with her has nothing to do with it. It's a pro-Meredith choice; the dichotomy between mages and templars doesn't factor into it. She simply wants to appease a mob that didn't exist when she ordered the execution of all the mages. Even a pro-templar player can think that Meredith's ultimatum is asinine (and some have voiced this). [/quote]

LOL!!! I have already said I disagreed with Meredith yet sided with the Templars. I don't see how that is in anyway inaccurate. If I was on Meredith's side I would have killed the mages who came to me for aid, and killed Bethany too, and I would have told Cullen to shut his trap when he obviously wanted to speak out in disagreement.  [/quote]

While Meredith's templars are killing hundreds of men, women, and children because that is precisely what she ordered. You saved three mages who will likely be made tranquil.

[quote]Hazegurl wrote...

I played the middle ground for a good chunk of the game and hoped I could still do so, but when given a choice I'd rather not kill Templars in the streets and allow the chance of blood mages to roam free. Not everything is as cut and dry as you make it out to be. There may have been Templars there who disagreed with the RoA but they were still carrying out their duties. You're gonna call them pro-Meredith too?  [/quote]

They were following orders by murdering an entire population of innocent people.

[LobselVith8]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

funny how 80% of ppl still support mages only because of *COOL MAGIC* and because templars are religious.
stop lying to yourself... 90% of mages we met in-game were ****bags including emo child merill and manipulative ***** morrigan.

That isn't the case. Some people don't condemn mages for being mages. And some people condemn the templars for thinking they have "dominion over mages by divine right" - in the words of Cullen, who also thinks mages can't be treated like people and are weapons. He is also an example of a "moderate" templar, according to the developers who have commented on the character.

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

of course they take them from their families, tevinter is exelent example of when mages are let out of leash and word called * humanity* is completely swooped of the table.

but i agree with your last point.

That's inaccurate. We have societies where mages are free, and none of them emulate Tevinter. I don't see why you're being disingenious by making it seem as though free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter when history proves this isn't the case. The Imperium is also an example of a society that enslaves mages as well. We have societies where mages are free: the Avvar, the Chasind, the Dalish, and the witches of the kingdom of Rivain, and none of those societies emulate Tevinter.

[Xilizhra]

What quality? This is what I'm driving at: the only elves you actually care about are the Dalish. The other elves are only allowed to continue to exist insofar as they don't jeopardize the views or goals of the Dalish.

Why would I favor the creation of a state that would attack my allies?

That's still a dodge. A "bad idea" and "unnecessarily risked the lives" doesn't mean you don't see it as immoral. It just means that you think Anders should have done the same thing under different circumstances. It's like someone saying that Meredith was wrong because she declared the ROA without sufficient templar forces.

Hardly. It was the sacrifice part of Anders' plan that I primarily object to.

We didn't see any evidence that the elves attacked elves. We see them attacking humans, and Hawke. And so what if they are attacking their "own people"? Are we back to "ape shall never kill ape"? Are human mages to be condmened because they're killing other humans, "their own people"?

Because the other city elves were in no way aggressors, to anyone. They're victims of the qunari invasion as much as the humans are.

I can't parse this sentence.

They fight for the Qun's conquests, not for their people's liberation.

The mages were clealry targeting the social order and structure of Thedas. The Qunari clearly showed that they won't forcefully convert if people willing surrender and convernt, but the Chantry's acquiesence to the mages doesn't mean that the mages aren't motivated by ideology and aren't going to radically restructure Thedas if succesful.

The mages aren't attacking whole populations, and in fact aren't even attacking their religious institutions. The war is only between the mages and a renegade genocidal army.

[Tenshi]

LobselVith8 wrote...
That's inaccurate. We have societies where mages are free, and none of them emulate Tevinter. I don't see why you're being disingenious by making it seem as though free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter when history proves this isn't the case. The Imperium is also an example of a society that enslaves mages as well. We have societies where mages are free: the Avvar, the Chasind, the Dalish, and the witches of the kingdom of Rivain, and none of those societies emulate Tevinter.

Avvar, Chasind, Dalish are small tribes, you cant really compare that to tevinter

Seraph Cross wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

of course they take them from their families, tevinter is exelent example of when mages are let out of leash and word called * humanity* is completely swooped of the table.

but i agree with your last point.

That's because they have no sense of control there. I agree with some sort of control. It would be better if mages went to a school. There is no reason  to take away their birth rights if they're a noble. There is no reason to isolate them as much as they do. Chantry/Templars and especially the Qunari are too harsh. They still should be monitored from time to time though.

while qunari are my favorite faction, even more than templars or dwarfs, i think i can agree with that. these are some good ideas 


edit: i also think you guys forgot that First Enchanter has more authority over circle than knight-commander, circles are not really as bad as you make them look like.

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 04 mai 2013 - 10:41 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Seraph Cross wrote...
With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out.

You and me both.

Sure there good mages and Templar but the ones in the games seems to be only Wynne, Bethany, and Thrask and Keran.
 
The others are extremists like Meredith, Cullen, and Anders, extremely naive to point of extreme stupidity like Merrill, and lazy whiners like Jowan.

[Urazz]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...
With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out.

You and me both.

Sure there good mages and Templar but the ones in the games seems to be only Wynne, Bethany, and Thrask and Keran.
 
The others are extremists like Meredith, Cullen, and Anders, extremely naive to point of extreme stupidity like Merrill, and lazy whiners like Jowan.

I think after DA2, Cullen will become more of a moderate if we ever see him again.  He pretty much was pro-mage in the mage origin it felt like but after Uldred and his cronies took over the Circle it drove him to the other end of being anti-mage.  I think the events of Kirkwall and Meredith's made him realize that even regular people can abuse their power and that taking things too far can drive people into doing the thing you don't want them to do.

[Tenshi]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...
With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out.

You and me both.

Sure there good mages and Templar but the ones in the games seems to be only Wynne, Bethany, and Thrask and Keran.
 
The others are extremists like Meredith, Cullen, and Anders, extremely naive to point of extreme stupidity like Merrill, and lazy whiners like Jowan.

Gregoire was fair too :-/ also you cant wipe mages.. you dont need to be mage to have mage child..

Modifié par xxx2emo4Uxxx, 04 mai 2013 - 11:13 .

[The Elder King]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...
With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out.

You and me both.

Sure there good mages and Templar but the ones in the games seems to be only Wynne, Bethany, and Thrask and Keran.
 
The others are extremists like Meredith, Cullen, and Anders, extremely naive to point of extreme stupidity like Merrill, and lazy whiners like Jowan.

So if a person is lazy and whiny, or naive and incredibly stupid, he/she deserves to die?
I read reason because both Jowan and Merril should be punished/locked up/killed, but those you mentioned aren't reasons to kill/punish people.

[-TC1989-]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...
With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out.

You and me both.

Sure there good mages and Templar but the ones in the games seems to be only Wynne, Bethany, and Thrask and Keran.
 
The others are extremists like Meredith, Cullen, and Anders, extremely naive to point of extreme stupidity like Merrill, and lazy whiners like Jowan.

You know what? You're right. I have such a hard time really pulling for either side, because either side is full of idiots. I see the viewpoints from both sides, and why they hate each other; but how they go about it is just... head scratching to say the least. I think in the next game there should be a middle road to take, and that middle road should have a degree of severe action between the two, either tell them both to **** off, and just help either side depending on the situation, or just blow them both to hell.

It probably won't happen, but a guy can wish.

Modifié par -TC1989-, 04 mai 2013 - 11:17 .

[Jestina]

I was liking Merrill until Dragon Effect...when they pretty much turned every mage into a blood mage...even the Dalish elves.

[The Elder King]

Jestina wrote...

I was liking Merrill until Dragon Effect...when they pretty much turned every mage into a blood mage...even the Dalish elves.

Bioware made a crossover between Dragon Age and Mass Effect? Are there guns, reapers, alien races in it? Different planets to explore? A personal ship? We can control only our PC, right?

Modifié par hhh89, 04 mai 2013 - 11:31 .

[BouncyFrag]

hhh89 wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Seraph Cross wrote...
With that said, I hope for an option to wipe both out.

You and me both.

Sure there good mages and Templar but the ones in the games seems to be only Wynne, Bethany, and Thrask and Keran.
 
The others are extremists like Meredith, Cullen, and Anders, extremely naive to point of extreme stupidity like Merrill, and lazy whiners like Jowan.

So if a person is lazy and whiny, or naive and incredibly stupid, he/she deserves to die?
I read reason because both Jowan and Merril should be punished/locked up/killed, but those you mentioned aren't reasons to kill/punish people.

In a video game, sure, why not? I've found that I like or dislike certain groups/factions in Dragon Age not so much due to their ideology but by the characters that represent them. Objectively, I don't have a problem with the Dalish and their plight, but to be honest, most of the Dalish characters I've met in Dragon Age have been annoying to various degrees so I have fun messing with them in the games. On the other hand Sten and the Arishok are two of my favorite characters I've met in Dragon Age and prefer to support them even though objectively I see how they are a threat to people who just want to live their own day to day lives.. Its not a matter of moral relativism to me and I admit this may be a petty approach to my opinion, but this is a role playing game and  I don't take it too seriously.

[The Elder King]

Filament wrote...

I didn't realise there was a big problem with blood biotics in Mass Effect.

Yeah we must have mistaken. I guess the Council is founding a special organization with special power to block their biotics to control them.
edit: or maybe that's what the majority of Spectres are doing. They're controlling a enourmous number of biotics in some secret locations.

Modifié par hhh89, 04 mai 2013 - 11:37 .

[The Elder King]

BouncyFrag wrote...

In a video game, sure, why not? I've found that I like or dislike certain groups/factions in Dragon Age not so much due to their ideology but by the characters that represent them. Objectively, I don't have a problem with the Dalish and their plight, but to be honest, most of the Dalish characters I've met in Dragon Age have been annoying to various degrees so I have fun messing with them in the games. On the other hand Sten and the Arishok are two of my favorite characters I've met in Dragon Age and prefer to support them even though objectively I see how they are a threat to people who just want to live their own day to day lives.. Its not a matter of moral relativism to me and I admit this may be a petty approach to my opinion, but this is a role playing game and  I don't take it too seriously.

Fair enough. In my canon I try to adapt my value to the PC, considering all the differences, but I understand your point.

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...
Why would I favor the creation of a state that would attack my allies?

What allies? You're not part of the setting. 

Hardly. It was the sacrifice part of Anders' plan that I primarily object to.

Then object to it. As I said: the language you used did not give any indication that you condemned anything that Anders did, other than you thought that he went about it the wrong way.

Because the other city elves were in no way aggressors, to anyone.  

There are no other city elves that we see. We have absolutely no indication that the CEs killed or otherwise harmed any of the elves who were not involved in the uprising. This is pure fan-fiction on your part. 

They're victims of the qunari invasion as much as the humans are.

What about the mages that don't want to fight and die for freedom? The ones who wanted compromise? They're going to be forced to fight or die. 

They fight for the Qun's conquests, not for their people's liberation.

They're fighting for their betterment as part of the Qun. There is no such thing as "their people". As individuals, they believe that the Qun offers a better life. It's as simple as that. 

But apparently you don't value individual self-determination very much, since you seem to think that all elves have to belong to a hivemind that prives "elven" identity, however you define it relative to the Dalish, instead of their individual feelings. 

The mages aren't attacking whole populations, and in fact aren't even attacking their religious institutions. The war is only between the mages and a renegade genocidal army.

Anders attacked the religious instiution in the name of mage freedom, and the civilians therein, but let's consider Anders as separate from the whole movement. And let's consider your own comments about disbanding the Chantry as separate too, becuase those are certainly part of an ideological attack on the religious institution and the social order.

Currently, we have no idea what the mages are doing. We havent' seen any indication of what their fight for freedom involves. 

But more importantly, this is still an irrelevant dodge. Because what you said wasn't that the Qunari are attacking whole populations. What you said was that they were attempting to conquer all of Thedas on the basis of ideology. The mages are very clearly doing the same thing - because the compromise option, returning to the Circles as things were, is not on the table.

But let's say I'm going to grant you this, because this is just a side point, and I think that just like with Merril, we're going to go in circles on this point so it's better to drop it.