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[Phatose]

You do that in all the endings.

[Voodoo2015]

Phatose wrote...

You do that in all the endings.

Dont see it in Destroy but in the others. Can you elaborate it how I play god in Destroy?

[Phatose]

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

[Voodoo2015]

Phatose wrote...

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

Haha didn't see it that way  Okey when you put it like that I can see your piont

[Argolas]

Phatose wrote...

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

I don't decide who lives or dies. If I did, only the reapers were affected. And that's not playing god, that's fighting a war.

[BananaDePijama]

Well Destroy has Pros and Cons.

If exist any chance that Shepard survive After Destroy Ending so i choose,cuz i like my shep :3.

Srry E.D.I and Srry Legion (Because of the Geth's).

[Chashan]

Phatose wrote...

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

An undiscriminating flood is actually quite a powerful way to 'end' creation, done right. See my sig.
Hence, I can respect the way Low-EMS Red was done, in that regard.

Now if only the logical step with higher EMS were that said indiscriminate discharge were lessened the higher the EMS to the point it worked as intended at high value there-of, I suppose most everyone of us could go home content with the finale as is. But naw, naught of that.

[AresKeith]

Chashan wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

An undiscriminating flood is actually quite a powerful way to 'end' creation, done right. See my sig.
Hence, I can respect the way Low-EMS Red was done, in that regard.

Now if only the logical step with higher EMS were that said indiscriminate discharge were lessened the higher the EMS to the point it worked as intended at high value there-of, I suppose most everyone of us could go home content with the finale as is. But naw, naught of that.

Who needs a reward for having over 10K EMS

[KaiserShep]

dreamgazer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

In destroy, you're just trying to break things.

I'd say it's probably closer to ...

This should have been awarded after taking the destroy ending, like with maybe a reaper being zapped in the middle. 

[Phatose]

Argolas wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

I don't decide who lives or dies. If I did, only the reapers were affected. And that's not playing god, that's fighting a war.

A decision chosen from limited multiple choices is still a decision. 

More importantly, it doesn't require a lack of collateral damage to be playing god.  In the biblical flood, wiping out all but 2 of every living creature wasn't intentional - it was just part of it.  And as a matter of course, there's the question of how many pregnant women and children who drowned in that flood.

It was not a precision strike.  It was a broad "OK, I'm taking out the baddies.  As long as 2 of everything survives, I'm cool with killing everybody else." 

Modifié par Phatose, 01 mai 2013 - 06:55 .

[robertthebard]

Phatose wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Exterminating entire races from the universe. Deciding who lives and who dies across the entire galaxy.

Might as well be a flood.

I don't decide who lives or dies. If I did, only the reapers were affected. And that's not playing god, that's fighting a war.

A decision chosen from limited multiple choices is still a decision. 

More importantly, it doesn't require a lack of collateral damage to be playing god.  In the biblical flood, wiping out all but 2 of every living creature wasn't intentional - it was just part of it.  And as a matter of course, there's the question of how many pregnant women and children who drowned in that flood.

It was not a precision strike.  It was a broad "OK, I'm taking out the baddies.  As long as 2 of everything survives, I'm cool with killing everybody else." 

I'm sorry, but what?  God specifically tells Noah what to put on the arc, so you're saying that was just an accident?  It was exactly what was intended, to wipe the slate clean and start over.  At least, according to that religion.  Otherwise, why implicitly tell Noah to do it?

[Wayning_Star]

face it, when Shepard makes it to the catalysts' lair and that choices menu. Its definitively "God Mode". Unless you decide to refuse, which isn't that much different, still using an 'ultimate tool'... to achieve a 'desired' effect on the MEU.

Being Apex is playing god and doing it A LOT... like in all the time.


(no biggy)

[Phatose]

robertthebard wrote...

I'm sorry, but what?  God specifically tells Noah what to put on the arc, so you're saying that was just an accident?  It was exactly what was intended, to wipe the slate clean and start over.  At least, according to that religion.  Otherwise, why implicitly tell Noah to do it?

I'm saying there's a mismatch of the morality expressed in the Bible regarding the flood.  Either we're required to believe that it was God's intent to drown infants, or we're required to believe that it was not his intent, but merely acceptable to achieve his goal.

The animals in particular are interesting because they show that god didn't actually care that any particular individual survived.  Noah was told to take two of every animal - but not which two.  God definitely is painting with a broad brush here.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Blow up the reapers! Synthetics are our creation. We can rebuild them if we want.

[Wayning_Star]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Blow up the reapers! Synthetics are our creation. We can rebuild them if we want.

I wonder about that, it seems that synthetic 'life' is only provided through Leviathan technology. There are no other inferences or references to life created before the Leviathan.

Besides,the trusted catalyst observed that when that is done, they become self aware and some one starts trouble with them to get  chaos going?

[Reorte]

If I had no idea of what was going to happen but believed the choices would do exactly what they claim (and also putting aside any preferences to which one) I'd be seriously worried that Synthesis could get things slightly wrong and kill everything. The worst that's likely to happen with Control is nothing. Destroy is a trickier one because rationally there's no reason for it to target anything other than the Reapers anyway, so again the worst I'd expect to happen is nothing.

Or I suppose any of them could screw up and simply blow up the Citadel, wiping out Earth in the process but having no effect beyond our solar system.

[Yestare7]

Pick Synthesis? Did you just say that?

[Aravius]

When the starchild explains the first choice, destroy, to Shepard, Shepard say something like oh no. After explaining all three, I felt the Bioware was ramming Synthesis down my throat, especially after EDI says, "We can now all live the life we wanted."

[Phatose]

Given it's purpose, the fact that it gives you any other option at all pretty much means it's not shoving the option down your throat.

[Vargeisa]

The synthetics in Javik's cycle were the result of self inflicted synthesis.

"They resorted to implants to enhance their intelligence."
"The AI seized the physical body. It could alter the genetic material at the deepest level.
In time the offspring were molded into a slave race. Few organic traces were left. They were monsters."

If there's just a slight chance that would happen by picking synthesis, Shepard would be wise to consider the other options first.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I used to feel bad about the robros dying in Destroy.

But since the killing all robots angle was added in to make the other choices at all palpable I stopped caring.

[Wayning_Star]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I used to feel bad about the robros dying in Destroy.

But since the killing all robots angle was added in to make the other choices at all palpable I stopped caring.

so, you reinforce the chaos theory of the catalyst?

[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I used to feel bad about the robros dying in Destroy.

But since the killing all robots angle was added in to make the other choices at all palpable I stopped caring.

so, you reinforce the chaos theory of the catalyst?

Wait, wut?

Catalyst is so not chaos theory.

Btw., the robots always lose in the end. Always. Al-ways.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I used to feel bad about the robros dying in Destroy.

But since the killing all robots angle was added in to make the other choices at all palpable I stopped caring.

so, you reinforce the chaos theory of the catalyst?

Wait, wut?

Catalyst is so not chaos theory.

Btw., the robots always lose in the end. Always. Al-ways.

Sorry Arg, I didn't mean ''the chaos theory" just the catalysts' version of chaos. 

and its all waze, not ai ways, unless you're taking the high way..lol

[Argolas]

The Reaper/Catalyst version of chaos is organic life. And that chaos is solved by annihilation.

ME1: "Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident."
"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."
ME2: "We are your salvation through destruction."
ME3: "You represent chaos. We represent order."

Chaos in the Reaper sense is NOT synthetics destroying organics or vice versa. Chaos is organic life that is not under reaper control.

Modifié par Argolas, 02 mai 2013 - 03:53 .