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[garrusfan1]

ReallyRue wrote...

Personally, I'd like to reach a conclusion where the Circle exists sort of like a school/guild or something. Mages register there and are trained, but they aren't forced to stay. The mages train their own to deal with the Quentins of the world, and there are secular templars to assist.

The most important part of it for me is that the Chantry has nothing to do with mages or how their Circles are run. I doubt I'll have an option that's so specific though. If there's a choice it would probably be between making all mages apostates, killing most of them, or shoving them all back into Chantry Circles to continue as before.

I think they should have to be trained in a area like the circle but where the mages familys could live as well so llike a town dedicated to the circle for kids and they could leave after they reach a certain age and have the training to be able to know how to use magic and so they stay away from demons and know how. basically when they reached a certain age they could leave the town. that and there would be no templars but regular police that would treat the mages like everyone else

[LobselVith8]

EntropicAngel wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think Xil's point is that it's a violation of the mind, considering that it dehumanizes people.

I realize I've lost track of this thread, but I want to counter this by saying that it's done to protect the mages. Putting someone in prison is a violation of THEIR "rights." Locking someone in a mental institution is a violation of their "rights." But it's done to protect, be it them from the people, the people from them, or them from some other source (demons in DA). 

It was a reference to the Rite of Tranquility, not the Chantry controlled Circles. Although I condemn the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery, but that's another discussion for another thread.

[Senya]

I would see the Inquisition, made up by both Templars and other Non-Mages and Mages policing the Circles and hunting town magical criminals and abominations while the Mages are given more rights like being able to live normal lives once their training is complete. To prevent abuse, I think the Chantry and the Nations of Thedas should be able to check the Inquisition and vice versa.

To sum it up, a system of checks and balances to prevent tyranny from any one group.

[Verflaffen]

 I'd side with the mages purely to undermine the Chantry's influence in Thedas. I know not all templars are cruel, and some are actually decent, but I hate the Chantry with their condesencding Chant of Light bah. Reminds me of Christiannity too much.

[Divine Justinia V]

I always side with the magi. Initially it was because I just love magic-y things and what not, but I genuinely started feeling bad for them towards the end of the Circle Tower quest in DA:O. I hate how they're treated as a whole.

[Nefla]

I predict that no matter what we do, the outcome will be the same, maybe with slightly different animations (templars either kneeling or backing away) or multicolored magical explosions.

[Fiery Knight]

Nefla wrote...

I predict that no matter what we do, the outcome will be the same, maybe with slightly different animations (templars either kneeling or backing away) or multicolored magical explosions.

Pretty sure BW has learned their lesson already.

Or not. We'll see.

[JamieCOTC]

Destroy the demons. Problem solved.

[ZtalkerRM]

 It'll end with a little kid offering us three options to 'solve' it all.

...yes it still hurts.

[BubbleDncr]

If Inquisition is about picking between Mages and Templar, my default character will probably be inclined to side with the Mages. But hopefully throughout the game there's enough things going on to make both of them "grey area" that I end up questioning if my mage sympahies in the beginning were valid.

[LobselVith8]

StreetMagic wrote...

There are condescending members, but I don't know what's condescending about the Chant of Light itself. What parts are you referring to?

Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.
Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just.


At Shartan's word, the sky
Grew black with arrows.
At Our Lady's, ten thousand swords
Rang from their sheaths,
A great hymn rose over Valarian Fields gladly proclaiming:
Those who had been slaves were now free.

--
All men are the Work of our Maker's Hands,
From the lowest slaves
To the highest kings.
Those who bring harm
Without provocation to the least of His children
Are hated and accursed by the Maker.

Wow a slave rebellion and hopes for equality. I'm offended. It's so condesending. 

I think the fate of the kingdom of the Dales and the Chantry controlled Circles are two main reasons why some people hate the Chantry of Andraste and their anti-elven, anti-mage religion.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Nothing in the Chant of Light is anti-Elven, or even anti-mage for that matter....

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nothing in the Chant of Light is anti-Elven, or even anti-mage for that matter....

The effects that the Chantry of Andraste and it's religious views has had on the elves and the mages has given me a different impression of the religion.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nothing in the Chant of Light is anti-Elven, or even anti-mage for that matter....

The effects that the Chantry of Andraste and it's religious views has had on the elves and the mages has given me a different impression of the religion.

Then you've let the institution colour your view of the message of the religion.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nothing in the Chant of Light is anti-Elven, or even anti-mage for that matter....

The effects that the Chantry of Andraste and it's religious views has had on the elves and the mages has given me a different impression of the religion.

Then you've let the institution colour your view of the message of the religion. 

You mean Kordillus Drakon's message?

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Nothing in the Chant of Light is anti-Elven, or even anti-mage for that matter....

The effects that the Chantry of Andraste and it's religious views has had on the elves and the mages has given me a different impression of the religion.

Then you've let the institution colour your view of the message of the religion. 

You mean Kordillus Drakon's message?

No I do not, but it is nice to see just how biased you truly are. Drakon only established the Chantry, he did not create the religion, and the Chant of Light is far old than either.

[Catroi]

people get pissed off about both sides and kill them all

[Asdrubael Vect]

Catroi wrote...

people get pissed off about both sides and kill them all

you can easily kill most of Templars with just cut off all their Lyrium suply but you will never kill all mages in any cases

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean Kordillus Drakon's message?

No I do not, but it is nice to see just how biased you truly are. Drakon only established the Chantry, he did not create the religion, and the Chant of Light is far old than either. 

Drakon created the Chantry of Andraste based on his particular Cult of the Maker views.

[Jaison1986]

garrusfan1 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

Personally, I'd like to reach a conclusion where the Circle exists sort of like a school/guild or something. Mages register there and are trained, but they aren't forced to stay. The mages train their own to deal with the Quentins of the world, and there are secular templars to assist.

The most important part of it for me is that the Chantry has nothing to do with mages or how their Circles are run. I doubt I'll have an option that's so specific though. If there's a choice it would probably be between making all mages apostates, killing most of them, or shoving them all back into Chantry Circles to continue as before.

I think they should have to be trained in a area like the circle but where the mages familys could live as well so llike a town dedicated to the circle for kids and they could leave after they reach a certain age and have the training to be able to know how to use magic and so they stay away from demons and know how. basically when they reached a certain age they could leave the town. that and there would be no templars but regular police that would treat the mages like everyone else

Pretty much all of this. In the end it's all the templars fault in my opinion. The mages need guidance to become better people, not fear. So, the best would be for the circle to be a place were mages are trained an taugh that magic is something we must use to help, not to destroy. And then, once properly trained, the mages would be allowed to go back to their lifes. Though, the blood tracking system would still be kept in order to make sure an mage would never use their magic for crime or evil. And if they do, it will not be templars who will hunt them down, but their fellow mages to set an example.

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean Kordillus Drakon's message?

No I do not, but it is nice to see just how biased you truly are. Drakon only established the Chantry, he did not create the religion, and the Chant of Light is far old than either. 

Drakon created the Chantry of Andraste based on his particular Cult of the Maker views.

Drakon didn't create the Cult of the Maker, nor the message they preach, which is the Chant of Light, so you are being dishonest and straight up wrong again.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean Kordillus Drakon's message?

No I do not, but it is nice to see just how biased you truly are. Drakon only established the Chantry, he did not create the religion, and the Chant of Light is far old than either. 

Drakon created the Chantry of Andraste based on his particular Cult of the Maker views.

Drakon didn't create the Cult of the Maker, nor the message they preach, which is the Chant of Light, so you are being dishonest and straight up wrong again.

The message is what's preached, not what's written, because what's written is utterly dependent on interpretation, and in this world, interpretation is mostly determined by the priesthood and then passed around to the masses. Drakon's interpretation is by far the widest-reaching one, and its only serious competition is the Imperial Chantry.