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[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean Kordillus Drakon's message?

No I do not, but it is nice to see just how biased you truly are. Drakon only established the Chantry, he did not create the religion, and the Chant of Light is far old than either. 

Drakon created the Chantry of Andraste based on his particular Cult of the Maker views.

Drakon didn't create the Cult of the Maker, nor the message they preach, which is the Chant of Light, so you are being dishonest and straight up wrong again.

The message is what's preached, not what's written, because what's written is utterly dependent on interpretation, and in this world, interpretation is mostly determined by the priesthood and then passed around to the masses. Drakon's interpretation is by far the widest-reaching one, and its only serious competition is the Imperial Chantry.

Nothing the Chantry preaches is anti-Elven, and wether or not it is anti-mage is debatable. Personally I see the Chantry to be more anti-magic than anti-mage specifically.

[Xilizhra]

Nothing the Chantry preaches is anti-Elven, and wether or not it is anti-mage is debatable. Personally I see the Chantry to be more anti-magic than anti-mage specifically.

The Chantry's actions show it to commit willful neglect on the elven population, and it preaches the superiority of its own culture and that it was a good thing that it subsumed the elven one. And being anti-mage isn't up for debate at all to anyone who has eyes.

[EmperorSahlertz]

As far as I can see, only the Chantry are even trying to help the Elves, both with charity and with sermons. And the very fact that the debate is still raging on this forums, proves that it is up to debate, wether you like it or not.

[Lord Issa]

I believe the religion is actually idealistically pretty fine, it's just that people in the Chantry have corrupted it in some ways that lead to oppression.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

As far as I can see, only the Chantry are even trying to help the Elves, both with charity and with sermons. And the very fact that the debate is still raging on this forums, proves that it is up to debate, wether you like it or not.

Just because there are debates on whether or not the Holocaust happened doesn't mean that the actual facts are up for debate from any logical viewpoint. And the Chantry couldn't care less about the elves; its own sermons do nothing to help them, and I've never seen any "charity" at all (I have seen the Chantry soliciting money from beggars and prostitutes, but that doesn't really help).

[GodWood]

My choice will be dependent on what provides the greatest amount of gain for the greatest possible number of people.

"Liberating" the already privileged mages and allowing them to monopolize and further extend their power over the common man will obviously not be beneficial to the majority therefore me siding with them is unlikely.

The templars are reactionary and want a return to the pretty ****ty status quo but that is still preferable to mage domination.

My best bet is the Qunari. By no means perfect, they are at least actively trying to uplift the common man instead of increasing the power of the already privileged few.

[Xilizhra]

My best bet is the Qunari. By no means perfect, they are at least actively trying to uplift the common man instead of increasing the power of the already privileged few.

Thus far, they've been enemies to all PCs and all of Thedas, and this will likely remain so.

[GodWood]

It's a shame really.

[Xilizhra]

GodWood wrote...

It's a shame really.

The qunari brought it on themselves by launching several unprovoked invasions, in addition to their current plans to disregard any peace treaties and attack again whenever they feel like it.

[Legion 2.5]

I am letting the Chantry and the Templars BURN. Those hypocrites deserve to be wiped off the face of Thedas. I don't care what the consequences are.

[GodWood]

Xilizhra wrote...

GodWood wrote...
It's a shame really.

The qunari brought it on themselves by launching several unprovoked invasions, in addition to their current plans to disregard any peace treaties and attack again whenever they feel like it.

Nah. It's a Bioware can't do C&C issue.

[Senya]

The only way to peace is through compromise and a set of checks and balances. Destroying any one side or major institution would only guarantee more war, fear, and suspicion. I think the Inquisition needs to step up and truly live up to the goals of protecting mages from others and others from mages while guaranteeing personal freedom at the same time.

The central problem is how to keep people safe from magic while having the mages be free. Once that is taken care of, peace can reign, opposed only by extremists on both sides. (I have a murder knife ready for Adrian and Lambert when they inevitably join forces to oppose that goal.)

Modifié par almostinsane99, 16 mai 2013 - 06:14 .

[Xilizhra]

The central problem is how to keep people safe from magic while having the mages be free. Once that is taken care of, peace an reign, opposed only by extremists on both sides. (I have a murder knife ready for Adrian and Lambert when they inevitably join forces to oppose that goal.)

Lambert is almost certainly dead and Adrian is a useful ally.

[The Elder King]

Xilizhra wrote...


Lambert is almost certainly dead and Adrian is a useful ally.

To you. I wouldn't want her in any position of power in the mage rebellions, and that goes for both my neutral PC and my pro-mage PC.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

My best bet is the Qunari. By no means perfect, they are at least actively trying to uplift the common man instead of increasing the power of the already privileged few.

Thus far, they've been enemies to all PCs and all of Thedas, and this will likely remain so.

They havn't been enemies to any of my PCs...

[BouncyFrag]

I'm not sure since by the time I got to the end of DA2, I was completely fed up with both sides. I'd rather have several options that do not involve supporting either side and are actually interesting.

[Aolbain]

The mages returns to the Circle, which is reformed and liberalised.

[Nole]

If I have to support one side, it will be the Templars at least in my first and canon playthrough

[Sutamina]

EdwinLi wrote...
Will you...
1) Side with Mages

no

2) Side with Templars

no

3) Side with coexistence (gain support from both Templars and Mages who believe in peace and try to prevent the war from becoming a slaughter fest.)

yes

It just a question that came up in my mind after discussing this with
someone else so how will you handle the Mage Vs Templar war outcome in
DA3?

Be proactive and create leverage over both templars, mages and anyone else involved so it is in thier own interest to cooperate.
Emotional education, with the goal being emotional maturity for everyone involved.
 empathy responsibility understanding being right does not equal being happy or what works.

Conflict solving skills and skills to recognize the existence of a problem
Have healthy positive remodels and parenting.
Have a mechanism to help insure as much accountablity as possible for all involved with no individual immune
Teaching to accept the reality of the situation oneself is in; instead of what feels true.
Teaching that you can get more freedom by earning it then demanding it.

[Asdrubael Vect]

" Side with coexistence (gain support from both Templars and Mages who believe in peace and try to prevent the war from becoming a slaughter fest.)"

Do not fool yourself there is no peace between them and they need a war.

Mages(no matter who was his parents,in Chantry countries mage and his childrens(even if he/she will be allowed to have them and they will not be mages) will never be noble and have their own lands) have no rights and was opressed by Orlais Chantry and Templar for ~700 years and Chantry Circles have 20 Right of Annulment(3 of them was after 5 blight)

Mages will fight for destruction Templars Order( ~15 Knight-Commanders with army scattered to Thedas and who need Lyrium every  1-2 weeks to have their ability and  to just not die after month without him) and any their and Orlais Chantry influense for Circles, and mages lives, rights and freedom

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 16 mai 2013 - 08:33 .

[The Elder King]

Dark Korsar wrote...

" Side with coexistence (gain support from both Templars and Mages who believe in peace and try to prevent the war from becoming a slaughter fest.)"

Do not fool yourself there is no peace between them and they need a war.

Mages(no matter who was his parents,in Chantry countries mage and his childrens(even if he/she will be allowed to have them and they will not be mages) will never be noble and have their own lands) have no rights and was opressed by Orlais Chantry and Templar for ~700 years and Chantry Circles have 20 Right of Annulment(3 of them was after 5 blight)

Mages will fight for destruction Templars Order( ~15 Knight-Commanders with army scattered to Thedas and who need Lyrium every  1-2 weeks to have their ability and  to just not die after month without him) and any their and Orlais Chantry influense for Circles, and mages lives, rights and freedom

The main problem would be if the game that will allow us to deal with this war (which isn't necessary going to be DAI) will have multiple endings or not. The problem with multiple endings, in this case, is that the outcomes  are so vastly different that could cause problem for the story of the next game (I'd say a nice Qunari invasion could fix the issue, but it'd be a temporary fix).
If Bioware will go on the "single outcome" route for this war, I'd say that the compromise solution is the more likely to be chosen.

[Legbiter]

Whatever restores the status quo ante bellum.

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I would prefer different outcomes for different places, not the one definitive end to the conflict. In any kind of realistic scenario which doesn't amount to "kill them all" or "make them all tranquil", the problem of demonic possession will remain an issue, so mages will continue to present certain risks to the societies they are living in. Different cultures will deal with it in different ways. Possibilities include:

(1) Emigration of all mages to Tevinter. I think that, for all its evils, Tevinter would want abominations as little as any other nation, and they have the means to deal with the problem.

(2) Semi-autonomous circles. Similar to the current system, only with more freedoms for mages and oversight by secular authorities, not by organizations with a tendency to be hostile to mages like the Chantry.

(3) Reinstatement of the current system. For all its flaws, it works to contain the dangers of abominations.

More pro-Templar scenarios are unpleasant to consider.

1) is just not practical. Real life shows you just can't take one community & forcibly emigrate all of them.
2) I see as being feasible. Circles could be placed in remote regions and actually become mini-cities where mages can live rather than being imprisoned.
3) Feasible but would just start the cycle of opression/rebellion again.