Aller au contenu

Photo

Bioware please give us the option to eradicate the Qun


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
353 réponses à ce sujet

#51
EdwinLi

EdwinLi
  • Members
  • 1 082 messages

krul2k wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

krul2k wrote...

as long as i get to wipe them damn knife ears of the face of thedas first


I am indifferent to the elves.
Why do you hate them so?


they never really bothered me until DA2, then they uttered the word "Shem" to me an ive never had a word irritate an annoy me so much in a damn video game as that word did everytime it was uttered to me, so now they all die by murder knife or blunt instrument to the head rapidly an repeatedly while shouting "GO SAY IT AGAIN I DARE YOU"


You obviously never played through the Dalish Elf Origin back in DA:O. 

#52
Guest_krul2k_*

Guest_krul2k_*
  • Guests

EdwinLi wrote...

krul2k wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

krul2k wrote...

as long as i get to wipe them damn knife ears of the face of thedas first


I am indifferent to the elves.
Why do you hate them so?


they never really bothered me until DA2, then they uttered the word "Shem" to me an ive never had a word irritate an annoy me so much in a damn video game as that word did everytime it was uttered to me, so now they all die by murder knife or blunt instrument to the head rapidly an repeatedly while shouting "GO SAY IT AGAIN I DARE YOU"


You obviously never played through the Dalish Elf Origin back in DA:O. 


yeah once never thought much of it prefered city elf one, an yeah aswell to not paying much attention to it, cant recall "shem" being used or not as much anyhow, maybe it was the arrogance that came with the elfs in da2 aswell that made it worse for me

#53
-TC1989-

-TC1989-
  • Members
  • 751 messages

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I bet if you had sufficient cookies you could stop Sten before he did anything drastic.

Not a good man to put in charge in retrospect.


Considering you could probably do to him like Peter (Family Guy) did to James Woods; He seems a little too easy to kill.

Sten: THE QUN WILL LIVE ON, AND EVERYONE WILL BOW DOWN TO..... *walks off seeing a cookie trail*..... oooh a cookie!.... ooh a cookie! Image IPB

#54
rapscallioness

rapscallioness
  • Members
  • 8 042 messages
I wonder (and hope) that Sten's time w/the Warden may have....softened his views. At least as far as forcefully converting ppl.

That's just too much. If they want to follow the Qun, fine. But this trying to shove it down everyone else's throat is too much.

I would not want to see the Qunari wiped out, tho. Not at all. I just want them to stop trying to force everyone else to their way. I'm hoping that under new leadership, that might happen.

Does the Qun tell them they need to "spread" their beliefs everywhere? Or is that just them? You know how the Chantry, or Chant, says only when the Chant is spread to the 4 corners will the Maker return. I'm wondering if there is sumthing like that in the Qun?

#55
Nefla

Nefla
  • Members
  • 7 706 messages
Well I want to play pro-Chantry anyways so Steve, let's kill these ****es! (Qunari)

#56
sandalisthemaker

sandalisthemaker
  • Members
  • 5 387 messages

rapscallioness wrote...

Does the Qun tell them they need to "spread" their beliefs everywhere? Or is that just them?


I'm not sure, but the Qunari don't do anything unless it is a 'demand of the Qun" so I can only assume the Qun commands that they do so.

Also, there is this from the World of Thedas, pg. 127:

"When the Qun became law, the temples kossith built to honor their animist gods were destroyed, and their priests were reeducated or driven into exile.  Any worship of a god or gods, such as the Maker is forbidden and is stopped **with violence if necessary.** "

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 mai 2013 - 02:34 .


#57
Boycott Bioware

Boycott Bioware
  • Banned
  • 3 511 messages
For 3 years the Qunari stay in Kirkwall, they never force anyone to convert into their religion, they pose no threat either. The one who feel threatened is the Chantry fanatics.

The Qunari are there just because of their book. The Arishok decide to going on rampage just because he feel like "**** it", it is because of Aveline suddenly want to be the law abiding Guard Captain hero while she is so corrupted, well she wash away all Hawke's crimes and turn blind eye of every corruptions in the city but suddenly want to pursue those Elf converts because they are Elf and they are Qunari converts. And it is also because of Hawke is being a busy body there. So Arishok feel like "It is time to end all these bull****"

The Arishok know who have the book, he know Hawke involvement, he know Aveline just want to use Hawke influence, he know it is all bull****, he cannot stand it anymore, he cannot watch all these selfish, greedy, corrupted peoples playing a drama in front of his eyes

Aveline is a fool, do she think she can toying with the Arishok and use him as her another stepping stone to gain influence in the city? She totally underestimate the Arishok and she underestimate the whole situation.

It just happened that Hawke is the hero, manage to kill Arishok and becoming the Champion of Kirkwal,...no matter what, it is Hawke who gain, Aveline once again have to crawl back to her ****hole in her office..."damn Hawke!"

Modifié par Qistina, 02 mai 2013 - 03:48 .


#58
Xilizhra

Xilizhra
  • Members
  • 30 873 messages

For 3 years the Qunari stay in Kirkwall, they never force anyone to convert into their religion, they pose no threat either. The one who feel threatened is the Chantry fanatics.

They always pose a threat; the Qun is an inherently threatening ideology. They might not pose an immediate threat, and killing the Arishok is useless because of lines of succession, but that doesn't make the Qun itself less of a problem.
Also, I don't know where your issues with Aveline are coming from.

#59
sandalisthemaker

sandalisthemaker
  • Members
  • 5 387 messages

Qistina wrote...

For 3 years the Qunari stay in Kirkwall, they never force anyone to convert into their religion, they pose no threat either. The one who feel threatened is the Chantry fanatics.

The Qunari are there just because of their book. The Arishok decide to going on rampage just because he feel like "**** it", it is because of Aveline suddenly want to be the law abiding Guard Captain hero while she is so corrupted, well she wash away all Hawke's crimes and turn blind eye of every corruptions in the city but suddenly want to pursue those Elf converts because they are Elf and they are Qunari converts. And it is also because of Hawke is being a busy body there. So Arishok feel like "It is time to end all these bull****"

The Arishok know who have the book, he know Hawke involvement, he know Aveline just want to use Hawke influence, he know it is all bull****, he cannot stand it anymore, he cannot watch all these selfish, greedy, corrupted peoples playing a drama in front of his eyes

Aveline is a fool, do she think she can toying with the Arishok and use him as her another stepping stone to gain influence in the city? She totally underestimate the Arishok and she underestimate the whole situation.

It just happened that Hawke is the hero, manage to kill Arishok and becoming the Champion of Kirkwal,...no matter what, it is Hawke who gain, Aveline once again have to crawl back to her ****hole in her office..."damn Hawke!"


No.
Aveline does not 'turn a blind eye.' She does the best she can.
Those elves commited murder and ran to the Qun for protection.
Kirkwall is not Qunari land, therefore the Arishok had no business imposing his laws and ideology on anyone. But no, Qunari cannot allow anyone to be free. They must  convert or destroy everyone, and so he had the perfect "excuse" to try and take over.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 mai 2013 - 03:59 .


#60
Boycott Bioware

Boycott Bioware
  • Banned
  • 3 511 messages

Xilizhra wrote...
Also, I don't know where your issues with Aveline are coming from.


Aveline have something to gain there...if you can see the bigger picture and if you can see why Arishok pissed off...the Arishok may give Aveline those converts actually, Arishok is very diplomatic person if you look at his character, but he refuse, because of he refuse to play the game, he's getting sick of the game

#61
Boycott Bioware

Boycott Bioware
  • Banned
  • 3 511 messages

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Kirkwall is not Qunari land, therefore the Arishok had no business imposing his laws and ideology on anyone. But no, Qunari cannot allow anyone to be free. They must convert or destroy everyone, and so he had the perfect excuse to try and take over.


Arishok need no excuse if he really want to convert Kirkwall, he can do it 3 years before the end of Act 2, Kirkwal is defenseless...he can easily take over the city in one night

He also sent emissary before but they got captured, it is clear that Arishok no longer want to play the game

Modifié par Qistina, 02 mai 2013 - 04:12 .


#62
Addictress

Addictress
  • Members
  • 3 185 messages
 .... there was an option to not kill the Arishok?

#63
Guest_krul2k_*

Guest_krul2k_*
  • Guests
yip hand over isabela an he walks away from the city

#64
The Hierophant

The Hierophant
  • Members
  • 6 914 messages

sandalisthemaker wrote...


No.
Aveline does not 'turn a blind eye.' She does the best she can.
Those elves commited murder and ran to the Qun for protection.
Kirkwall is not Qunari land, therefore the Arishok had no business imposing his laws and ideology on anyone. But no, Qunari cannot allow anyone to be free. They must  convert or destroy everyone, and so he had the perfect "excuse" to try and take over.

iirc the elves killed a guardsmen who raped their sister, because Aveline did nothing about it. The Arishok was stated to be mentally unstable before his and Aveline's meeting, plus his job was to bring the stolen tome back to Seheron, and not convert Kirkwall.

#65
Meatbaggins

Meatbaggins
  • Members
  • 171 messages
If Sten is now Arishok, we could easily solve the Qunari problem by just sending an envoy with lots and lots of cookies.

#66
EdwinLi

EdwinLi
  • Members
  • 1 082 messages

Meatbaggins wrote...

If Sten is now Arishok, we could easily solve the Qunari problem by just sending an envoy with lots and lots of cookies.


or some butterflies after all Sten is a Qunari that admires butterflies.

#67
Zeta42

Zeta42
  • Members
  • 115 messages
I doubt in a game where mages and templars are trying to wipe out one another there will be an option to eradicate a third, completely unrelated party. Especially since it would require taking an army to Par Vollen. Maybe in a later DA game, but definitely not in Inquisition.

#68
Boycott Bioware

Boycott Bioware
  • Banned
  • 3 511 messages

Addictress wrote...
.... there was an option to not kill the Arishok?

krul2k wrote...
yip hand over isabela an he walks away from the city


Yes, of course, and that prove my point.

The Qunari being in Kirkwal just because of the book, not to convert Kirkwal. If they want to convert Kirkwal, they can do it earlier. Everything else are just games, fear, hypocrisy and opportunity

Arishok leave Kirkwal when the book is returned and Isabella given to them is one of the proof Arishok is very diplomatic.

If hawke refuse to hand over Isabella, isn't that the same with Arishok refuse to handover the Elf converts? Aveline will say something if she's there

Modifié par Qistina, 02 mai 2013 - 05:49 .


#69
New Display Name

New Display Name
  • Members
  • 644 messages
The qun is pretty loathsome. I'd love the opportunity to undermine it. The chantry as well.

#70
Kidd

Kidd
  • Members
  • 3 667 messages

SergeantSnookie wrote...

The Qun is an idea.

That idea is not so easily destroyed.

Oh, oh, let me add!
To deny the Qun is to deny your self.
To know the Qun is to know your self.



sandalisthemaker wrote...

You realize they are not peaceful and zen-like? The Qunari are violent and aggressively seek to convert anyone not of the Qun.

That's just a temporary issue, it'll sort itself out in time ;)

Yes, the educating part is quite terrible.


sandalisthemaker wrote...

Kirkwall is not Qunari land, therefore the Arishok had no business imposing his laws and ideology on anyone. But no, Qunari cannot allow anyone to be free. They must  convert or destroy everyone, and so he had the perfect "excuse" to try and take over.

The Qunari believe themselves to be superior in every way to Andrastian society, and not completely without merit. To the Arishok, he's teaching starving children how to sow their own seeds so that they may eat, even if the immature kids don't want to bother learning.

They do not define "freedom" the way Andrastians do, yet they seem to think highly of the term in their own way. What they're doing to Kirkwall is ultimately a favour that will allow its inhabitants real freedom and purpose.

*reads through her own post* So uh... where's that darn qamek? I haven't had a sip all morning...

#71
thebigbad1013

thebigbad1013
  • Members
  • 771 messages
Eradicate the Qun? Don't see that happening.

#72
Vallasch

Vallasch
  • Members
  • 122 messages
I dislike the Qun's methods but i actually have respect for what they try to achieve. Everyone within it has value and are given a task or role that they are good at. Every act their people take is for the benefit of their entire society not just the ambitions of the individual.

I was actually quite surprised to find i liked Serebaas's counter when he is rebuked by Anders. "What comfort has freedom brought you mage? If you knew certainty, you would have more."

In any case i doubt Bioware will be promoting genocide any time soon.

#73
Asdrubael Vect

Asdrubael Vect
  • Members
  • 1 510 messages
if somebody wants to erradiace Qun they need to...
1)weaken Orlais Empire and Orlais Chantry with Templars
2)side with Tevinter Empire in their war against Qun
2)convince Tal-Vasgots who hates and fights agains Qun, and native tribes of elven and human peoples who lives on Qunari territories to help Tevinter in war....of course they would not help Tevinter for free
3)mages need to kill all(most of at least) Tamassarants with Arishok and burn Tome of Koslun in front of thousands Qunari

to do sush thing Tevinter need to

Tevinter help(give resources, special training mages and soldiers) Tal-Vasgots and native tribes of Seheron and Par Vollen and they start a guerrilla war agains Qunari(stealing personal weapons of Qun officers, kill arvaads and free Saareabas with anti-qun kossinds, destroy warehouses with Qamek and Gaatlok, break dreadnought ships, poison or mindcontroll officers and companies of soldiers)

after some time Tevinter start a blitskrieg war agains Qun and conquering Qunari territories, starting a anti-Qun propaganda on Seheron and Par-Vollen,

they start hunt down and kill all Qun Tamassarants and Qun leaders what they can find, cause their leaders(Arishok or others) to a duel if they starts hiding in forests and fortresses

after some months Qun would be defeated and Tevinter founding some border port-cities on Par-Vollen coast to prevent any future invasion on Thedas and for trade and diplomacy with Kossind and native human and elven peoples and most of Tevinter armies leave Par-Vollen to protect their large Thedas and Seheron territories from other Countries and future blights

and kossind and native tribes of human and elven peoples will be left to themselves

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 02 mai 2013 - 07:02 .


#74
Boycott Bioware

Boycott Bioware
  • Banned
  • 3 511 messages
What important for Arishok is "someone understand what is the Qun" in Kirkwal

And that person is Hawke...yes, Hawke...Hawke is a Qunari

When Isabella return the book, Arishok demand that Qunari take Isabella with them

i. If Hawke refuse, Hawke must duel with Arishok as the Qun demand - Arishok win there
ii. If Hawke agree, then Hawke agreeing with what the Qun demand - Arishok win there

ia. If Hawke win the duel, then Hawke is satisfying the demand of the Qun - Arishok win there
ib. If Hawke loose the duel, Arishok satisfy the demand of the Qun - Arishok win there

If Hawke choose to attack, if Hawke and co loose, Arishok win....if Hawke win then Hawke win

Hawke only win in 1 out of all outcomes

#75
Ieldra

Ieldra
  • Members
  • 25 188 messages
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd" -- Voltaire.

I subscribe to this statement and I think the Qunari are mistaken, and that their society is unduly oppressive in the name of service to the community.

Nonetheless, I think they have their place, as an opposing pole to Tevinter, which occupies a philosphically diametrically opposed position in that it empowers individuals according to (mostly magical) ability at the expense of the community's health.

Personally, I'd rather live in Tevinter than in regions dominated by the Qun, even as a non-mage, but if I could change things I'd rather mitigate both cultures and make them more moderate while keeping most of the existing philosophical underpinnings. I think both have merit unless taken to extremes, and unless those cultures try to expand by force.

No, I would not like the eradication of this interesting culture, no matter the considerable level of my personal dislike of their philosophy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 mai 2013 - 09:10 .