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[Nalia_dArnise]

Heh. Maybe because choice to eridicate Qun/to join it and eradicate all other religions is too hard to realize, it will be no choice: only to eradicate. Qun. Maybe at one moment in future game (for example, DA4) qunari become our antogonists. And you mast, without variants, battle with them. And destroy them.  

Modifié par Nalia_dArnise, 03 mai 2013 - 04:42 .

[The Hierophant]

This thread makes Pol Pot, Freeza, Stalin, Sephiroth, Jane Fonda and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proud.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Hierophant wrote...

This thread makes Pol Pot, Freeza, Stalin, Sephiroth, Jane Fonda and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proud.

The Qun would make them even more proud.

[EmperorSahlertz]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

This thread makes Pol Pot, Freeza, Stalin, Sephiroth, Jane Fonda and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proud.

The Qun would make them even more proud.

And again your ignorance of the Qun shines through...

[sandalisthemaker]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...


And again your ignorance of the Qun shines through...

I know enough, Qunari
And I am not impressed.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 03 mai 2013 - 05:27 .

[Melca36]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...


And again your ignorance of the Qun shines through...

I know enough, Qunari
And I am not impressed.

And you want the game developers to basically pander to you and destroy the lore they created just because you don't like them. 

[Plaintiff]

Melca36 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...


And again your ignorance of the Qun shines through...

I know enough, Qunari
And I am not impressed.

And you want the game developers to basically pander to you and destroy the lore they created just because you don't like them. 

The writers will probably do it themselves at some point anyway. One of the benefits of making your own IP, as opposed to handling someone else's licence, is that you have that freedom to make any drastic changes you want.

If the writers were so attached to maintaining "the lore" as it was first written, they probably wouldn't have had the Circle system collapse in DA2.

[sunnydxmen]

The qun is like the chantry a religion you can kill the people but new people will rise believing what they want too. who says all who follow the qun is evil sure there is bad apples but what religion dont.

Modifié par sunnydxmen, 03 mai 2013 - 07:01 .

[sandalisthemaker]

StreetMagic wrote...

Think of the larger commentary being made here, and you might appreciate their place in the world. You don't have to like them (I don't like them either), but there's something intellectually stimulating about having them around.

Maybe this out of the scope of the thread, but basically... Ultimate Freedom (say, Tevinter) or Ultimate Order (Qun) both lead to systems of slavery. Tevinter leads to a form of slavery by implementing a sort of Social Darwinism/pecking order (think of mages like Magneto in the X-Men). When all rules are thrown out, only the strong survive. This leads to slavery.

The Qun leads to slavery in an entirely different way - through Order. The philosophy of fitting everything in a certain role or place - and never deviating from these rules. It's a different kind of pecking order, but a pecking order nonetheless.

The Chantry of Orlais/Ferelden is struggling between these two extremes. It hasn't exactly found a balance yet, but I think any sane player would want to see "balance" accomplished. And cultures like the Qun and Tevinter shed some light on what NOT to do. If you just throw out the Qun entirely, it doesn't make for good commentary or storytelling. They exist for the sake of making a comparison.

Your argument is a very good one and I understand it completely.
I simply think that within the game world itself that a massive conflict between the Qunari and everyone else is inevitable.
Do I actually think we will be allowed to wipe them out? No, probably not.
But I do think it would benefit Thedas to have them gone.
If the Qunari would learn to butt out and let others live in peace, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

[Si-Shen]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Perhaps the Tal-vashoth kossith can be spared, allowing the uniqueness of their race to live on.
But followers of the Qun are fanatics who will stop at nothing to make all of Thedas bow to their beliefs. A massive conflict is unavoidable.

One part of that caught my eye, "But followers of the Qun are fanatics who will stop at nothing to make all of Thedas bow to their beliefs.".

Really?  How is the Chantry any different?  In two games we have seen enough to know the Chantry is no different then the Qun in this aspect. 

In the end this request won't happen because it would be the same as asking the Dev's to let you crush the Chantry beneith your heel and prove once and for all the lies of the religion.

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
I stand corrected, religion have no place in the Qun. I havn't read through the entire World of Thedas yet, so that particular phrase elluded me. But, basically that's a huge plus for the Qunari in the eyes of most of you anyway, since you obviously got a large stick up your bums concerning religions.

And considering I probably wouldn't fight the Qunari, I doubt I would be Qamek... You on the other hand probably would be, since you obviously abhor the very idea of certainty and purpose.

Disliking the Chantry does not equate necessarily to disliking religion.  From what I've seen, most of us who take issue with the Chantry do so because of its tendency to use religion as an excuse for military conquest.  Not at all the same thing as just hating religion for the lulz.

Also, nice strawman, but hating the Qunari religion doesn't mean we hate certainty and purpose.  

[EmperorSahlertz]

When was the last time the Chantry itself conquered anything? It continues to baffle me how so many of you think that it is the Chantry in control of the nations..... Have our own world's history taught you nothing? More often than not, it is the powerful nobles and kings who control the Church to do what they want. It is merely easier for a king to rile up his peasants for war, if the order comes from God himself, than just from the king.

[sandalisthemaker]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

When was the last time the Chantry itself conquered anything? It continues to baffle me how so many of you think that it is the Chantry in control of the nations..... Have our own world's history taught you nothing? More often than not, it is the powerful nobles and kings who control the Church to do what they want. It is merely easier for a king to rile up his peasants for war, if the order comes from God himself, than just from the king.

I think the Exhalted March that crushed the elves leaves a sour taste in many people's mouthes.

[EmperorSahlertz]

That wasn't the Chantry who crushed the Dalish. That was Orlais using the Chantry to get reinforcements from the other nations.

[Noctis Augustus]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

That wasn't the Chantry who crushed the Dalish. That was Orlais using the Chantry to get reinforcements from the other nations.

Yeah, Orlais can call exalted marches with the templars, the chantry's military, leading the armies...

Modifié par ibbikiookami, 03 mai 2013 - 11:42 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

No Orlais can't. But it can influence the Divine, to do as Orlais wants. It is called politics.

[sandalisthemaker]

The Chantry and Templars are connected at the hip, so they are going to be seen as one and the same in many peoples eyes. Especially the elves themselves.

[In Exile]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I think the Exhalted March that crushed the elves leaves a sour taste in many people's mouthes.

The one that started after the Dalish crushed Orlais and sacked Val Royeaux? Because all things considered, it was the Andrastian nations that looked desperate in that conflict, ignoring everything else about who started what. Orlais was beaten down, regardless of whether it started the war or not.

[Clover Rider]

Filament wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

And you want the game developers to basically pander to you and destroy the lore they created just because you don't like them.  

Damn right.

Watch out, we got a something something over here.

[BouncyFrag]

Some Geth wrote...

Filament wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

And you want the game developers to basically pander to you and destroy the lore they created just because you don't like them.  

Damn right.

Watch out, we got a something something over here.

Well, if thats the case, I'd like to put the elves next on the list of things to eradicate. We wouldn't want to be exclusive, especially in regards to the elves. Just wouldn't be 'fair'.