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[drjones]

I have been with you guys since BG 1 and have purchaced and loved (for the most part) all of your published games and defended them against the few haters, bought DLC etc. etc.

I like Dragon Age a lot so far and think it is going to be great.  I have no objections to giving Bioware my cash for the game and for DLC.  However the whole 'Points' thing is utter BS as you are fully aware.  Ones guiding moral principle in life should not be 'Can I get away with it?' if you want to be beloved and respected.  I mean if Microsoft jumped off a bridge and overchanrged everyone to watch would you do it too?

And this EA person you have been hanging out with, the one with the poor taste in music and track record of bottom-line focused mediocrity?  Are you sure that's how you want to be percieved?

Bioware, I just don't know you anymore.

[kansadoom]

what point thing

[ByblosHex]

Tell me about it...

[CastorKrieg]

kansadoom wrote...

what point thing

DA:O DLC is handled by Bioware Points, which you have first to purchase for real-life money. Same idea as Microsoft Points, and equally retarded.

[tr0tsky]

CastorKrieg wrote...

kansadoom wrote...

what point thing

DA:O DLC is handled by Bioware Points, which you have first to purchase for real-life money. Same idea as Microsoft Points, and equally retarded.

At least you can buy 560 points to get Warden's Keep, rather than having to buy 1400 or whatever

[kansadoom]

Oh well that is pretty annoying, but not too bad

[MrKrisSatan]

the points system is only gonna work if you can go to a store and buy them, no one would buy wow game time cards if you first had to buy them online with a credit card.

[Guurzak]

If you don't think the paid DLC is worth the money, then don't buy it. If you do think it's worth the money, then you have nothing to gripe about. The game itself is worth the price you paid for it, so it's up to you whether you want to add anything more or not.



Game content doesn't just appear out of nowhere. They have to pay the artists and coders who produce the content. If you want additional content, then you should expect to have to reimburse the company for those expenses. And if you don't want that additional content, then not buying it doesn't cost you anything.

[LegendaryIII]

Are you forced to buy "extra"points, such as was stated about 360's knack for selling in lots of 400, but items costing 500 points, thus forcing you to purchase 300 extra points. ( I don't have a 360 )



However, much like ride tickets at fairs, tokens at arcades, quite often you end up with extras left over. Great way to make money, get paid, and in return either provide no service, or force someone to buy more so they can use what they already have.



I can't speak for Bioware's system as I am unfamiliar with it, but if they allow exact quantity purchase, then it's fine. If they force you to buy in lots that create overages, then I myself would boycott it. I am a purchaser and spend millions every year, I wouldn't allow a supplier to get away with that. Just use common sense, and determine whether it's fair, and if it's not, are you willing to tolerate it anyway.

[ByblosHex]

The problem most people have with the points is you cant buy exactly the same amount of points as the DLC costs, so you have to buy more points than youre going to use.

[AdrynBliss]

hold on a sec are you guys saying you can't get DLC with microsoft points, you have to use these 'bioware points'?

[SwashbucklerXX]

Guurzak wrote...

If you don't think the paid DLC is worth the money, then don't buy it. If you do think it's worth the money, then you have nothing to gripe about. The game itself is worth the price you paid for it, so it's up to you whether you want to add anything more or not.

Game content doesn't just appear out of nowhere. They have to pay the artists and coders who produce the content. If you want additional content, then you should expect to have to reimburse the company for those expenses. And if you don't want that additional content, then not buying it doesn't cost you anything.

The complaint here isn't that there is buyable DLC.  It's a complaint against "point" systems, which from the consumer's point of view serve no purpose but to obscure how much you're actually paying for things, and/or to force customers to buy more "points" than they actually need for transactions.

I suspect that point systems are in place partly so that the company offering small-value items isn't paying hefty fees to credit card companies for teensy purchases... kind of like how many stores won't let you charge purchases of less than $10 on your card. You can't pay with cash on-line, so companies have point systems in order to enact essentially the same policy.  Annoying for consumers, but you can see why companies do it.

Modifié par SwashbucklerXX, 04 novembre 2009 - 05:51 .

[Haasth]

AdrynBliss wrote...

hold on a sec are you guys saying you can't get DLC with microsoft points, you have to use these 'bioware points'?

You probably still use Microsoft Points for the 360. As Dragon Age: Origins (PC) is no Games For Windows Live game, they resorted to another system: BioWare Points.

[AdrynBliss]

Haasth wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

hold on a sec are you guys saying you can't get DLC with microsoft points, you have to use these 'bioware points'?

You probably still use Microsoft Points for the 360. As Dragon Age: Origins (PC) is no Games For Windows Live game, they resorted to another system: BioWare Points.

ah yes I see. Bit of a panicy overreaction on my part.

Still can't say it seems like a terribly smart decision. Which system will make them more money? a system only those with credit cards can use or one everyone can use?
But that said there are no doubt other details and considerations we're not privvy to.

[Kunikos]

I just hope they offer alternate ways to get the codes instead of using Bioware points, like maybe being able to purchase a retail box that has multiple DLCs inside it. That's how I bought for Oblivion (Knights of the Nine box was $20 for like 7 DLCs) and plan to do so for Fallout 3 soon.

[drjones]

For NWN dlc was available as a cash purchase. Only reason to go with the points model is greed. I certainly don't mind Bioware making a living but this feels slimy and manipulative.

[Trelow-LMG]

Straws, clutch at them.

[SADOFATE]

Honestly,
I bought Bioware points (560pts) and for some reason i can't use them to purchase anything. There is no link and no explination of how to Purchase the DLC outside of the game. I goto the addon page and it refers back on to itself when i click a link to look for how to purchase. I am not even going to get into how I am going to get it DL'd to my PS3. I am a bit new to all this online stuff but if i am going to get ripped off i'd like to know that i tried evrything i could and exhausted every possibility before i go saying i got ripped off.

Modifié par SADOFATE, 28 novembre 2009 - 12:55 .

[MartinJHolm]

There were DLC's for NWN as well.. just saying.

[GODzilla]

drjones wrote...

I have been with you guys since BG 1 and have purchaced and loved (for the most part) all of your published games and defended them against the few haters, bought DLC etc. etc.

I like Dragon Age a lot so far and think it is going to be great.  I have no objections to giving Bioware my cash for the game and for DLC.  However the whole 'Points' thing is utter BS as you are fully aware.  Ones guiding moral principle in life should not be 'Can I get away with it?' if you want to be beloved and respected.  I mean if Microsoft jumped off a bridge and overchanrged everyone to watch would you do it too?

And this EA person you have been hanging out with, the one with the poor taste in music and track record of bottom-line focused mediocrity?  Are you sure that's how you want to be percieved?

Bioware, I just don't know you anymore.

Hear ye!

Modifié par GODzilla_GSPB, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:03 .

[GoldenusG]

It does seem daft, and an unnecessary step to have points when you are selling the exact amount needed to buy a specific DLC.



I can only assume that the idea was to just sell in multiples of 400 points in order to maximise profit, but having foretold the reaction of the fanbase, given what many people think of the current DLC, it was decided to abandon that idea.





Anyways. Points, an unnecessary step, but no harm done by them - yet.

[Jolly Teaparty]

I think the deal is that they're Bioware points, not Dragon Age points. I reckon they intend to make it so you can buy DLC for other future games with these points. What is weird about them is that the packages are kind of pointless.



400pts for £3.40 = 1.2p per point

1600pts for £13.60 = 1.2p per point