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[marshalleck]

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seems to me that F-C's argument can be distilled to "I don't want to have to use my brain."

seems your post can be distilled to im just trolling and have nothing worthwhile to say ill make a random flame.

Feel free to respond to my previous post then.

[F-C]

marshalleck wrote...

Feel free to respond to my previous post then.

if it was worth responding to i would have, i dont however just go out of my way to randomly flame you either, so im not going to bother responding to you with anything more intelligent than calling you a troll based on your own actions.

Modifié par F-C, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:14 .

[LSDS]

From the perspective of the consumer it does seem like a completely unnecessary step to buy points with a credit card and then spend those points on the DLC. Considering that the consumer could just buy the DLC directly with that same credit card in the first place.

[marshalleck]

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feel free to respond to my previous post then.

if it was worth responding to i would have, i dont however just go out of my way to randomly flame you either, so im not going to bother responding to you with anything more intelligent than calling you a troll based on your own actions.

You said a system of points wouldn't work in a real life implementation. I refuted with two examples where they do.

[F-C]

marshalleck wrote...

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feel free to respond to my previous post then.

if it was worth responding to i would have, i dont however just go out of my way to randomly flame you either, so im not going to bother responding to you with anything more intelligent than calling you a troll based on your own actions.

You said a system of points wouldn't work in a real life implementation. I refuted with two examples where they do.

then while i was typing out the previous post i made you started randomly flaming because i wasnt give you the attention you thought you deserved, so im not going to give it to you now either. troll.

[GoldenusG]

As I have previously mentioned, its (so far) a harmless, unnecessary step... But what if its actually a secret plot by Alcoholics Anonymous to try and force players to remain sober for brief periods of time?! Many people find basic pre-school maths difficult after a few bevvies.





I'm onto you Bioware...

[marshalleck]

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feel free to respond to my previous post then.

if it was worth responding to i would have, i dont however just go out of my way to randomly flame you either, so im not going to bother responding to you with anything more intelligent than calling you a troll based on your own actions.

You said a system of points wouldn't work in a real life implementation. I refuted with two examples where they do.

then while i was typing out the previous post i made you started randomly flaming because i wasnt give you the attention you thought you deserved, so im not going to give it to you now either. troll.

Because you're wrong.

[purplesunset]

GoldenusG wrote...

As I have previously mentioned, its (so far) a harmless, unnecessary step... But what if its actually a secret plot by Alcoholics Anonymous to try and force players to remain sober for brief periods of time?! Many people find basic pre-school maths difficult after a few bevvies.


I'm onto you Bioware...

I usually would shun a post like this because it's de-railing the thread, but for some reason, the humor actually works in this context and you phrased your post very well. ( (I actually laughed even though I didn't want to )

[F-C]

marshalleck wrote...

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Feel free to respond to my previous post then.

if it was worth responding to i would have, i dont however just go out of my way to randomly flame you either, so im not going to bother responding to you with anything more intelligent than calling you a troll based on your own actions.

You said a system of points wouldn't work in a real life implementation. I refuted with two examples where they do.

then while i was typing out the previous post i made you started randomly flaming because i wasnt give you the attention you thought you deserved, so im not going to give it to you now either. troll.

Because you're wrong.

no im not, but im not going to give you the satisfaction of explaining it to you either.

[marshalleck]

F-C wrote...

no im not, but im not going to give you the satisfaction of explaining it to you either.

There's nothing to explain.

The complaints so far:

1) Bioware points leave the consumer with wasted points they've spent money on but can't use -- false. You can buy the exact amount needed.

2) Points are unnecessarily complicated -- well, maybe. I guess if you find basic math complicated.

Not to mention the somewhat irrelevent argument that it wouldn't work in the real world, despite some businesses actually using the model.

While it may seem like a somewhat superfluous step now since Dragon Age content is the only content available, it's a good solution for long term content delivery. The player can buy points and then use them from within whatever game they happen to be playing at any given time. I imagine Mass Effect 2 will use the system as well.

Modifié par marshalleck, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[Rheterik]

Yeah, this whole EA thing, BioWare... not liking it.

[LSDS]

The arcade token scheme was put in place in part to inconvenience the patrons of the arcades. They didn't want to have to continually go to the money changer to get more tokens so they typical patron would over purchase rather than be inconvenienced by running out of tokens before they were ready to leave. Personally, I preferred the arcades that took quarters and didn't use tokens.



This mirrors the point system for at least a few of the forum goers who have posted that they've purchased more points than they currently need so that they won't have to be inconvenienced later when they need to purchase more. I'm not talking about those that miscalculated and bought the wrong point package but the ones that are "saving up" points for future purchases. I'm not ridiculing these people, btw. It's their decision to do this and it's really none of my business how they spend their money. But like some arcade patrons they may eventually find that they've purchased tokens/points that they'll never actually spend. Either way the arcade/Bioware already have their money.

[F-C]

ill just point at the last several replies all saying they dont like it, they think its unneeded, and whatever else.



you can fanboi troll all you like, and continue to be wrong, but im not going to argue anything out with someone who resorts to random flaming when they arnt getting the attention they think they deserve. its not my fault if your mommy didnt love you, you can still wait your turn and act like a normal human being, or you can be a flaming troll and get ignored. you made your choice.

[marshalleck]

F-C wrote...

ill just point at the last several replies all saying they dont like it, they think its unneeded, and whatever else.

you can fanboi troll all you like, and continue to be wrong, but im not going to argue anything out with someone who resorts to random flaming when they arnt getting the attention they think they deserve. its not my fault if your mommy didnt love you, you can still wait your turn and act like a normal human being, or you can be a flaming troll and get ignored. you made your choice.

 Nice ad hominems. Guess you've got nothing else.

[Eurypterid]

Let's try to keep the discussion civil. No need for name calling.

[F-C]

marshalleck wrote...
 Nice ad hominems. Guess you've got nothing else.

for someone like you, no thats about all ive got. if you would have been a decent human being i would discuss things with you, but you are just a flaming troll, so all you get is flamed back. the end.

if you wanted a discussion you should have acted like it. you wanted to troll and spew random flames, so thats what you get in return.

Modifié par F-C, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:38 .

[GoldenusG]

F-C wrote...

ill just point at the last several replies all saying they dont like it, they think its unneeded, and whatever else.

you can fanboi troll all you like, and continue to be wrong, but im not going to argue anything out with someone who resorts to random flaming when they arnt getting the attention they think they deserve. its not my fault if your mommy didnt love you, you can still wait your turn and act like a normal human being, or you can be a flaming troll and get ignored. you made your choice.

So because people don't agree with you, they are wrong?  Yes Comrade Dictator.

If you feel that strongly about it, start sending a great many (One after the other, when they turn you down...  Not all at once, that'd be daft...  And counter productive) strongly worded, though polite e-mails to Bioware/EA Customer Services, demanding a refund on your left over points, and then refuse to buy any more DLC till they change to a cash-only based system.  Who knows?  It might even work.

[marshalleck]

F-C wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
 Nice ad hominems. Guess you've got nothing else.

for someone like you, no thats about all ive got. if you would have been a decent human being i would discuss things with you, but you are just a flaming troll, so all you get is flamed back. the end.

if you wanted a discussion you should have acted like it. you wanted to troll and spew random flames, so thats what you get in return.

Random flames? All I said was the basis of your argument was for laziness. You're the one that resorted to personal commentary. :/

[F-C]

GoldenusG wrote...

So because people don't agree with you, they are wrong?  Yes Comrade Dictator.

If you feel that strongly about it, start sending a great many (One after the other, when they turn you down...  Not all at once, that'd be daft...  And counter productive) strongly worded, though polite e-mails to Bioware/EA Customer Services, demanding a refund on your left over points, and then refuse to buy any more DLC till they change to a cash-only based system.  Who knows?  It might even work.

why would i waste my time on that, its not like they are going to listen to any letters i send them. what they care about is the bottom dollar they are making, and thats about it. they have even told us that before, so whatever there.

i dont have left-over points because i wont buy them. as far as im concerned im not going to buy points to buy products in the future either. sell me a product for a direct cash value or lose me as a customer. the end.

[Foxd1e]

Byblos Hex... that's the guy who was caught pirating this game. Lol @ stupidity

[Seifz]

We should talk less about who flamed who and more about why BioWare Points are not necessary and should go away.

[F-C]

marshalleck wrote...

Seems to me that F-C's argument can be distilled to "I don't want to have to use my brain."

i consider this a random flame. thats the point i stopped responding to you with any type of real discussion.

its funny how the trolls act now, but it is what it is.



the above poster is correct though.

Modifié par F-C, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:52 .

[Severian75]

While I have never before met a point for DLC system I liked, I can say I not only don't have a problem this one, but I see why it is there.

Most companies do rip off the customer with the point systems. M$ points are an obvious and notorious example. Champion point, another example. They are sold in specific size batches that are no where close to being even a multiple of the price of the content.

With the BW points, they not only aren't forcing extra point on a person, they don't even make you do the math. You don't have to calculate "how many multiples of XXX points do I need to buy these 2 downloads?" You just look and say, I'm buying a download for 400 points, I'll buy the 400 point package. I am also buying the download for 560 points, I'll buy the 560 point package as well. No math involved. It's more of a pre-school matching game than math.

Now, I can see how, at first glance, this seems like an unnecessary system that only adds complication, but here is my guess as to why it is used. This game is available on multiple platforms in multiple countries. The DLC BW points will also very likely (as mentioned before) be utilized for future game releases. The points system creates a single currency for the game (or multiple games in the future), no matter what platform or what country you are buying from. I don't think the in-game purchase and download would be very feasible without a points system. (I also personally prefer not using my credit card on my xbox. No hard facts as to why, just preference. At least on my PC I can install my own security software to suit my own level of a "secure-feeling".)

Modifié par Severian75, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:59 .