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[Crimson Vanguard]

Ever heard about Tactical Cloak?

[Credit2team]

koschwarz74 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

lift nades? arc nades? infernos nades? hello?

in fact, not even close, except inferno nades against armor or lift nades against barrier. hello.

1) multiple targets
2) range
3) on the move
4) instant or cast?

YOU LOSE

thanks for playing 

Modifié par thewalrusx, 02 mai 2013 - 03:02 .

[Shampoohorn]

spirosz wrote...
prenerf.

lol, damage wasn't touched.  Get a clue.

Pho-guard with all power mods and bonuses can push 5700+ damage vs armor.  This includes melee and power synergy from fitness 6a and charge 5b.

In an extreme case, a phoguard with melee and bonus power could charge, smash and cancel into heavy melee in about 2 seconds doing 1300+5700+2000 = 9000+ armor damage to a single target.  More if you include an acolyte shot in the mix*.  Even more if your charging a target with mucho barriers.**
 
*This goes up even more if you've primed the target with incendiary ammo.
** This goes up even more if you charge again and manage to trigger the BE that was primed by Smash.

Here's a link to a discussion that Cyonan took part in, picking up in the middle where the more thoughtful posts are.  Long story short, among powers only grenades have a higher burst DPS.  Tactical cloak + recon mine doesn't reach that.  edit: maybe biotic hammer might do it: the Warlord is better equipped to dish burst damage due to DR, health and attack speed.

DPS disclaimer:  weapons >>> powers.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 02 mai 2013 - 03:22 .

[doozerdude]

2nd most powerful, #1 is Biotic Hammer with full Krogan rage.

[CardboredSquare]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Ever heard about Tactical Cloak?

Cloak does no damage and buffing other powers doesn't count

[Shampoohorn]

:o I'd forgotten about this thread. :o

Shadow Strike can do 18,000+ damage on a target primed with tech vulnerability and about 12,000 on one that is not.

/thread

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 02 mai 2013 - 03:30 .

[Crimson Vanguard]

CardboredSquare wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Ever heard about Tactical Cloak?

Cloak does no damage and buffing other powers doesn't count

And it isn't powerful?

[Deerber]

Uh. Finally someone got a clue in this thread

[stysiaq]

CardboredSquare wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Ever heard about Tactical Cloak?

Cloak does no damage and buffing other powers doesn't count

Is it one of those discussions where rules are bent to fit the thesis?

[WaffleCrab]

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

[SimulatedSnowman]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

This. Smash hits hard, but even with a cancelling move, it's still easy to get killed in the cast, and if your target lives, it is now one inch away from you. This is fine if you have a wall between you, but in that case, the wall is the most powerful power.

[HolyAvenger]

If you can't count the Singularity-Smash combo, I find it hard to see how Tech Vulnerability-SS can be counted.

[Cyonan]

If it's damage per cast then the winner is going to be the Asari Huntress with Dark Channel.

If it's damage per hit then probably the N7 Shadow with Shadow Strike against a target hit with Tech Vulnerability.

[Shampoohorn]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

Smash does about 20% more single target armor damage than Dark Sphere or Recon Mine, when all three powers are maxed.  It also has a substantially better cooldown than either.  That's not to say it's a better power than either of those or Flamer, but the OP's question was regarding single target, single blow.

In those terms, only Shadow Strike is more powerful than Smash with respect to instant damage.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 02 mai 2013 - 03:51 .

[Boog_89]

Nah its probably lash, the description doesn't lie when it says it does massive damage.

[Shampoohorn]

HolyAvenger wrote...

If you can't count the Singularity-Smash combo, I find it hard to see how Tech Vulnerability-SS can be counted.

Even without TV, SS would still win by a wide margin.

edit:  I wonder if TV applies to an Electric Smash?  That would be a nice chunk of damage.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 02 mai 2013 - 03:53 .

[Kirchroa Alaaf]

tetsutsuru wrote...

Kirchroa Alaaf wrote...

Jaded4Chaos wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Does 0 damage to the Ravager if there are 2 Swarmers in front of it.

Singularity solves that problem

True indeed, that's the most common sense attack..... Singularity and smash BOOM...

Wen you close in you can clean the house quickly and all small things are floating around anyway.

Correct.  But, again, you started this thread about the Smash Power itself, not the Smash Power and how powerful it is when used in-concert with other Powers.

Indeed the singualrity makes smash even more powerfull.. But on it's own it is pretty powerfull and the character using it is flexibel. At least I think it is powerfull and I think the character gives you room to move around fast. Fast enought to be fearless and go chase around Banshees and Phantoms, and that is not something you can do with every other character. 

I realise that overal he is not the most powerful or considered  an "elite" character, but he is a character that you can take to gold and platinum and have a good time smashing things to pieces. 

[WaffleCrab]

Shampoohorn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

Smash does about 20% more single target armor damage than Dark Sphere or Recon Mine, when all three powers are maxed.  It also has a substantially better cooldown than either.  That's not to say it's a better power than either of those or Flamer, but the OP's question was regarding single target, single blow.

In those terms, only Shadow Strike is more powerful than Smash with respect to instant damage.

and i was not concerned with just single target  since in a game where enemies come at you, not one at a time, but a dozen at a time, it would be pointless to be concerned with a "single target" when you can do 80% or more of the damage with a single use of a skill, on multiple targets. This is like making an argument "why widow is the best sniper rifle" then promptly forgetting about Black widow and valiant.

[tetsutsuru]

Kirchroa Alaaf wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Kirchroa Alaaf wrote...

Jaded4Chaos wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Does 0 damage to the Ravager if there are 2 Swarmers in front of it.

Singularity solves that problem

True indeed, that's the most common sense attack..... Singularity and smash BOOM...

Wen you close in you can clean the house quickly and all small things are floating around anyway.

Correct.  But, again, you started this thread about the Smash Power itself, not the Smash Power and how powerful it is when used in-concert with other Powers.

Indeed the singualrity makes smash even more powerfull.. But on it's own it is pretty powerfull and the character using it is flexibel. At least I think it is powerfull and I think the character gives you room to move around fast. Fast enought to be fearless and go chase around Banshees and Phantoms, and that is not something you can do with every other character. 

I realise that overal he is not the most powerful or considered  an "elite" character, but he is a character that you can take to gold and platinum and have a good time smashing things to pieces.

I like Smash.  And it is among the more powerful Powers available.  My only beef with it is the enemy hit cap.  It's ridiculous that the whip(s) physically hit the Ravager, but deal no damage, simply because a couple of little, creepy crawlies beside it satisfy the game engine's target hit cap.

That should have been removed.  Even simply for the reason that "it doesn't make any sense" for it to do that.  If anything, target-cap the resulting "Shockwave" effect that propagates beyond the whips.  But within whip range, no cap.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 02 mai 2013 - 04:23 .

[Kirchroa Alaaf]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

Smash does about 20% more single target armor damage than Dark Sphere or Recon Mine, when all three powers are maxed.  It also has a substantially better cooldown than either.  That's not to say it's a better power than either of those or Flamer, but the OP's question was regarding single target, single blow.

In those terms, only Shadow Strike is more powerful than Smash with respect to instant damage.

and i was not concerned with just single target  since in a game where enemies come at you, not one at a time, but a dozen at a time, it would be pointless to be concerned with a "single target" when you can do 80% or more of the damage with a single use of a skill, on multiple targets. This is like making an argument "why widow is the best sniper rifle" then promptly forgetting about Black widow and valiant.

It was the parameter set in the question.... It's not a race of what is better, or someting based upon your own opinion. It's just about raw damage output with 1 single blow. 

Some even react sarcasticly:  "You heard about cloack" ... I can only react "Can you read?" ....Cloack is not a single blow power... If I push the cloack button then 0% damage is being dlivered, I have to perform anoter action... So it's not single blow.

It's like the question, which soccer play can kick hardest? and then someone says: "Yes but it is pointless, Messi is way better" ... You are not answering within the set parameter and feeding false information, which I have to filter.

[MaxCrushmore]

Nothing beats the tactical cloak / flamer combo, combined with the Collector adept passive tree with all power upgrades

Only available to a select few on PC


In all seriousness though, this depends on what type of damage you are talking about, because a fully power spec'd Geth Trooper flamer does the most damage per single push of a button (*edit - to armor and health).

Yes, i know, insert Atlas joke here ...

*Double edit - hmm yes, fully spec'd power passive Bat Sol or K Sol throwing an inferno grenade may do the most

Modifié par MaxCrushmore, 02 mai 2013 - 04:43 .

[Shampoohorn]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

Smash does about 20% more single target armor damage than Dark Sphere or Recon Mine, when all three powers are maxed.  It also has a substantially better cooldown than either.  That's not to say it's a better power than either of those or Flamer, but the OP's question was regarding single target, single blow.

In those terms, only Shadow Strike is more powerful than Smash with respect to instant damage.

and i was not concerned with just single target  since in a game where enemies come at you, not one at a time, but a dozen at a time, it would be pointless to be concerned with a "single target" when you can do 80% or more of the damage with a single use of a skill, on multiple targets. This is like making an argument "why widow is the best sniper rifle" then promptly forgetting about Black widow and valiant.

OP's question was about single target, single blow.  That's a perfectly valid frame of reference for a discussion, to which Smash Shadow Strike is the answer.  Likewise Widow Javelin in an single shot SR discussion.  OP did not say 'best', that's your own misreading.  Smash and SS are clearly not the 'best' powers.

[Cyonan]

Kirchroa Alaaf wrote...

It was the parameter set in the question.... It's not a race of what is better, or someting based upon your own opinion. It's just about raw damage output with 1 single blow. 

Some even react sarcasticly:  "You heard about cloack" ... I can only react "Can you read?" ....Cloack is not a single blow power... If I push the cloack button then 0% damage is being dlivered, I have to perform anoter action... So it's not single blow.

You actually said 1 action, which either Dark Channel or a grenade is going to win that depending on if you want to factor in AoE.

[Kirchroa Alaaf]

Cyonan wrote...

Kirchroa Alaaf wrote...

It was the parameter set in the question.... It's not a race of what is better, or someting based upon your own opinion. It's just about raw damage output with 1 single blow. 

Some even react sarcasticly:  "You heard about cloack" ... I can only react "Can you read?" ....Cloack is not a single blow power... If I push the cloack button then 0% damage is being dlivered, I have to perform anoter action... So it's not single blow.

You actually said 1 action, which either Dark Channel or a grenade is going to win that depending on if you want to factor in AoE.

I actually said action/blow ... I thought that the SMART BSN forum people would understand the combination action/blow.

So your logic is false, Dark Channel is 1 action, but it's not 1 blow.

[WaffleCrab]

Shampoohorn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Smash is powerfull, but most powerfull? not even by a large margin. Most of the grenades are more powerfull than smash, then there is the dark sphere, recon mine. flamer. Also due to limited range and "initiation" time, i would call alot of other powers more powerfull too.

Smash does about 20% more single target armor damage than Dark Sphere or Recon Mine, when all three powers are maxed.  It also has a substantially better cooldown than either.  That's not to say it's a better power than either of those or Flamer, but the OP's question was regarding single target, single blow.

In those terms, only Shadow Strike is more powerful than Smash with respect to instant damage.

and i was not concerned with just single target  since in a game where enemies come at you, not one at a time, but a dozen at a time, it would be pointless to be concerned with a "single target" when you can do 80% or more of the damage with a single use of a skill, on multiple targets. This is like making an argument "why widow is the best sniper rifle" then promptly forgetting about Black widow and valiant.

OP's question was about single target, single blow.  That's a perfectly valid frame of reference for a discussion, to which Smash Shadow Strike is the answer.  Likewise Widow Javelin in an single shot SR discussion.  OP did not say 'best', that's your own misreading.  Smash and SS are clearly not the 'best' powers.

and i also said why i would say multiple powers are more powerfull, even against one target, because they are mostly not "banshee at your face" range.