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[Deebo305]

There is no difference aside from backstabbing and drawing less aggro. Both trees are completely identical in Origins and now people want warriors with archery too? To this day I'll never understand this type of build but this is about DW warriors and specializations aside it still makes the rouge obsolete

[Lavaeolus]

I'd like it, but BioWare should make sure that it plays differently to the DW rogue -- different skill trees and everything. Two swords should theoretically be a lot different to a more agile, more backstabby two dagger-wielder, so it'd be nice.

Making sure the classes aren't just the same is important. We already have enough problems with the whole "mage"/"non-mage" split.

Modifié par Mr Maniac, 02 mai 2013 - 06:58 .

[FINE HERE]

No.

[AlexRD]

 Warrior DW: Heavy Armor, Two Full sized swords, focused on raw damage instead of criticals, low damage penetration but some cleave radius. Relies on health pool and his heavy armor to defend both his teammates and himself. His abilities are normally focused on disablers and combos for AOE damage.

Rogue DW: Light Armor, Dual Daggers, focused on high critical damage with high armor penetration with no cleave radius. Relies on stealth and positioning to survive, and have massive damage abilities.

I don't know about you guys, but i spotted 7 key differences. 

Besides, it's an RPG not an MMO, balance isn't that important. What's more important is you being able to do what you want in the game. I'd play a DW Warrior even if it was less effective than the rogue for two reasons:

One because it would make the game more challenging, and two because it's fun!

Modifié par AlexRD, 02 mai 2013 - 07:13 .

[cJohnOne]

DW warriors are really fun but are probably over-powered. Having 3 options for warriors really makes a difference in making different builds. I don't know how to makes less powered.

What do you think?

[Swagger7]

Support.

[AlexRD]

I don't understand cJohnOne, why would build variety make it overpowered? Given that you have to choose a single path, having more doesn't make it stronger.

[llandwynwyn]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

And archery. Don't forget archery.

I was going to say this. Archer!warrior was cool.

[RobRam10]

Bring on the Dual Wield Warrior!

[Rawgrim]

Warriors being able to use 1 weapon in each hand, or fire a bow makes sense. Ergo it should be included.

[Maclimes]

AlexRD wrote...

Besides, it's an RPG not an MMO, balance isn't that important. 

I agree 100%, but for some reason, people are obsessed with this concept of "balance" in a single-player game. I don't get it.

[Wulfram]

Maclimes wrote...

AlexRD wrote...

Besides, it's an RPG not an MMO, balance isn't that important. 

I agree 100%, but for some reason, people are obsessed with this concept of "balance" in a single-player game. I don't get it.

If I'm going to spend a whole bunch of time in combat, I'd like it to be interesting an interesting tactical challenge.  Unbalanced combat is less interesting - simple, overpowered solutions make more complicated tactics unnecessary, while combats have of necessity to be balanced to take into account a wide variety of builds, making them less demanding if you're using something effective.

(Though balance is of course less important than in an MMO, not arguing that.  But it's not negligable either)

edit: though I don't think DWW was a significant balance issue.  Certainly not compared to some of the other stuff in DA:O

Modifié par Wulfram, 02 mai 2013 - 09:30 .

[windsea]

do it.

[Jestina]

I would like to see a more realistic approach to combat but I doubt it will happen. Will probably just have more of the JRPG stuff we got in DA2. Dual wielding is one of those things I wouldn't mind going away...as it was never employed in real battles.

[AlexRD]

Realistic? Since when is dual wielding is not realistic?

"A lot of different cultures used dual weapons. The Musketeers used a long rapier in one hand with a short dagger in the other, Shaolin monks used something called Kan Dao which is dual broadswords, Eskrima practitioners use dual sticks, and so on."

[Jestina]

Dual wielding was not used in warfare. In the latter period there were parrying daggers...but that that style did not last long. The dual wielding cliche comes from anime mostly and probably D&D.

[Boycott Bioware]

Samurai always walks everywhere with Katana and Wakizashi

Mushashi Miyamoto encourage using two swords in fighting, because according to him, using only one is a waste

[Jestina]

Samurai did not fight dual wielding . They fought with one sword, that could be used one handed or two handed. They did have a shorter sword for close infighting or if their main was lost. Medieval knights faught in a similar way with their longswords...two handed and sometimes one handed plus they usually had a back-up sword/dagger. Citing a rare exception does not mean it was common for everyone to fight that way. The most common fighting weapons in Europe were actually polearms...and spears in Japan. Swords were difficult to make and expensive. You are more than likely going to battle with a farming tool than a sword, if you were a commoner.

There was a two weapon style that came along with fencing. That is the rapier with a dagger(ex. main gauche) for parrying in the offhand. Rapiers were not really designed for battle though, but as an urban protection weapon.

[Boycott Bioware]

Samurai do fight with dual swords, and there are two swords technique in Kendo, niten'ichi ryu. Just because Hollywood never show it doesn't mean it don't exist.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nge9ObY2tvQ

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 02:40 .

[Plaintiff]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

No.

Why?

Because classes should be more distinct, not less. DA:O's system blows. Not only did Rogues have the least skills of every class, but two thirds of their abilities were co-opted by Warriors. Lame.

[jillabender]

Blazomancer wrote...

A dual wielding warrior and a dual wielding backstabbing rogue was two completely different gameplay experience for me. You know, activated talents vs autoattacking, two different approach. There were plenty of reasons to play a party supported cunning based rogue and a strength based-massive armor wearing full sized weapon wielding warrior.

I agree.

[Jestina]

Qistina wrote...
Samurai do fight with dual swords, and there are two swords technique in Kendo, niten'ichi ryu. Just because Hollywood never show it doesn't mean it don't exist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nge9ObY2tvQ

Okay, now I laugh...because your info comes off youtube. What next....going to start quoting from anime films? 

[K_Tabris]

robertthebard wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Hey, while you're at it, why not give fighters trap and lock skills, and maybe a blue bar, so that there's absolutely no reason to play any other class?

Please don't be serious. 

OT, yes.  

Just following the logical progression.  Not that I understand why it was taken away in the first place.

This is flawed logic on your part. Origins allowed warrior builds to specialize in dw and archery.

[Plaintiff]

KallianaTabris wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Hey, while you're at it, why not give fighters trap and lock skills, and maybe a blue bar, so that there's absolutely no reason to play any other class?

Please don't be serious. 

OT, yes.  

Just following the logical progression.  Not that I understand why it was taken away in the first place.

This is flawed logic on your part. Origins allowed warrior builds to specialize in dw and archery.

Yeah, and it was lame. Rogues had almost no utility.

[Boycott Bioware]

Jestina wrote...

Qistina wrote...
Samurai do fight with dual swords, and there are two swords technique in Kendo, niten'ichi ryu. Just because Hollywood never show it doesn't mean it don't exist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nge9ObY2tvQ

Okay, now I laugh...because your info comes off youtube. What next....going to start quoting from anime films? 

http://www.kampaibud...rg/NTIkatas.htm

http://www.kampaibudokai.org/Nito.htm

valid?

Modifié par Qistina, 03 mai 2013 - 02:51 .