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[Argolas]

Heh. That's what I get for not putting any effort into my OP.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

So here's how I see it. People are only allowed to think about attractiveness so long as those thoughts are completely separated from their behaviors and actions in all spheres. Courtesy and politeness are not sufficient. They must treat unattractive and attractive people the same way, which includes sex and romance. They're obligated to do so.

What are you even getting at here with this black-and-white thinking, David?

[Enhanced]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Eva Core was designed to infiltrate society in whatever way required. This has been touched on in films and even in DA:O when Leliana talks to Alistair about sleeping with her targets

Yes, the first, best and only solution to infiltrate any enemy organisation is blantant in-your-face sex appeal. (i wonder how much of the CIA's annual budget is spent on boob jobs? )

I know, right? If Eva Core wasn't designed like that, the infiltration would have actually worked.

Modifié par Enhanced, 03 mai 2013 - 01:21 .

[dreamgazer]

Argolas wrote...

Heh. That's what I get for not putting any effort into my OP.

You basically just shot a flare in the air.

[Argolas]

dreamgazer wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Heh. That's what I get for not putting any effort into my OP.

You basically just shot a flare in the air.

Didn't expect it to get that big. This is my most populated thread by now

[spirosz]

There was another thread diving into the whole EDI image back a few months back, ended up basically doing the same thing.

[Silentblaze]

So is it time for Evil Priestly or Ninja Stan to lock this thread yet? I know that this will end with nothing accomplished and repeated eventually like every other EDI's body hate thread.

[Vargeisa]

I wonder what would have happened if the Cerberus engineers had called it Eddie and had given it a male voice.
Would have been one creepy fembot.

Modifié par TimtheEnchanter, 03 mai 2013 - 02:09 .

[TheProtheans]

MerinTB wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
That is very anti male, when it is largely the females fault.

I wish that, as a male, I could disown you from my gender.

Thanks

[dreamgazer]

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

I wonder what would have happened if the Cerberus engineers had called it Eddie and gave it a male voice.
Would have been one creepy fembot.

What if EDI had put herself in the robot dog insead?

[Vargeisa]

dreamgazer wrote...

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

I wonder what would have happened if the Cerberus engineers had called it Eddie and gave it a male voice.
Would have been one creepy fembot.

What if EDI had put herself in the robot dog insead?

I think whoever it was that caused the scale itch outbreak in ME2 would try to hook up with EDI  in that case.
That mystery would finally have been solved and I would have been delighted.

[Argolas]

All I wanted to say is EDI gaining a body was poorly written and executed <.< Well honestly even that went more into the matter than I intended.

Never tried to get into Misogyny or anything, but oh well.

Let's see if I can get this back on topic!

29% have a different opinion than mine. Even the 'stupid' label didn't work- dammit! 

22% like to stay civil and politely express that they liked EDI better when she was the ship.

8% find it questionable to put the Cerberus bot in our AI core of all places- kinda a valid point, isn't it?

Those are the most significant- other than my two favorites:

8% expose my racism.



5% congratulate BioWare for making their Joker creepier than the Batman one!

Modifié par Argolas, 03 mai 2013 - 02:15 .

[TheProtheans]

Mangalores wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

It is female culture to make themselves look pretty and such.
They have industries dedicated to it with heavy influence from both females and non straight males.
Who are we say this is oversexualisation when it is no different to the world in which we live in.
I for one approve of standards females set themselves to and wish to see it in it's full glory.

The standards are funnily enough actually not set for females. Most advertisement and design decisions  with oversexualization is targeted for males.

Sorta different than what I was referring to.
But yeah a huge amount of advertisements have beautiful women and are aimed at males, I don't see a problem with that as it is not as if they care if there is a female there or not.
A female sitting on a car is not going to make the car any better.
Females themselves are like a nation under capitalism, they try to be the best using whatever methods they have available to them, any way to get ahead of the competition.
Few get to the top, many make it  and a good pile are at the bottom and complain about oversexualisation. and such.
I wonder if the voice actor for Diana Allers complained when they gave her character massive ****** and a skimpy dress, hell she probably suggested it.


I think we should all agree that this is unlikely to change and that large amounts of females like to give off a sexy image and we should accept that.

[dreamgazer]

Oh, lord.

[MerinTB]

TheProtheans wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
That is very anti male, when it is largely the females fault.

I wish that, as a male, I could disown you from my gender.

Thanks

The woman wanted to dress as a comic book hero she liked at a convention.  So it was clearly her fault that people insulted her, called her names, bullied and berated her.

She dressed that way on purpose so she was clearly asking for it, right?

And it's anti-male for her pain, embarassment and humiliation to be brought before the sensitive eyes of men, men who had already been injured by being horribly subjected to the sight of a woman without the figure of a super-model in a Wonder Woman costume.

Poor men.  Always the vicitim.

Yeah, you're not welcome.

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On topic, super-sex EDI is a bad design decision on BioWare's part.  And, I may hate Isabela with the burning passion of a thousand suns, but her design is NOT the same as what was done to EDI.

[Enhanced]

Argolas wrote...

All I wanted to say is EDI gaining a body was poorly written and executed <.< Well honestly even that went more into the matter than I intended.

Never tried to get into Misogyny or anything, but oh well.

Let's see if I can get this back on topic!

29% have a different opinion than mine. Even the 'stupid' label didn't work- dammit! 

22% like to stay civil and politely express that they liked EDI better when she was the ship.

8% find it questionable to put the Cerberus bot in our AI core of all places- kinda a valid point, isn't it?

Those are the most significant- other than my two favorites:

8% expose my racism.

It never went off topic. People are just explaining why they choose their poll answers.  If this wasn't your intention, you shouldn't have asked the question or put a poll up.

Modifié par Enhanced, 03 mai 2013 - 02:23 .

[TheProtheans]

MerinTB wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
That is very anti male, when it is largely the females fault.

I wish that, as a male, I could disown you from my gender.

Thanks

The woman wanted to dress as a comic book hero she liked at a convention.  So it was clearly her fault that people insulted her, called her names, bullied and berated her.

She dressed that way on purpose so she was clearly asking for it, right?

And it's anti-male for her pain, embarassment and humiliation to be brought before the sensitive eyes of men, men who had already been injured by being horribly subjected to the sight of a woman without the figure of a super-model in a Wonder Woman costume.

Poor men.  Always the vicitim.

Yeah, you're not welcome.

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On topic, super-sex EDI is a bad design decision on BioWare's part.  And, I may hate Isabela with the burning passion of a thousand suns, but her design is NOT the same as what was done to EDI.

Why did she want to dress in a skimpy costume? The answer is to probably to get attention and show her support.
Attention being the biggest reason she did it.
I'm not a musclar guy entirely so I would not go to a convention as He-man, I would go as batman or someone that does not highlight my flaws in character choice.
People would probably mock me if I went as He-man and I would mock someone if they get did the same and did not have the abs and muscle for it.

A somewhat heavy girl going as a superhero that is a healthy weight is only going to get the same sort of flame.
I would not call her whale and say she was stupid for doing it, but I would probably be thinking it.
It just doesn't fit.

And really we're talking about ignorance and rudeness, she did not deserve to be called that but it is not males fault that she was, it is the lack of respect for other peoples feelings and such.
I would be ashamed to see any fellow member of the human race insult and belittle others.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 03 mai 2013 - 02:33 .

[Mangalores]

David7204 wrote...

And that's unfortunate. There's absolutely plenty of distasteful advertisements and harmful behaviors and such. And I regret that. But advertisers are eager to exploit every value and emotion, not just sex.

Yes, some of those exploits have however more social impact than others. I don't say it must disappear, just that one needs to realize it's not just harmless exploitation.

And of course, there are absolutely works of fiction that depend on sex and very little else. But Mass Effect is absolutely not one of them. I wouldn't have looked twice at Liara or Ashley or whoever before I played the game.

That should be the case. You have to question that stance since they seem to think they need to employ these kinds of tactics.

At the end of the day, you still have a choice. And that's the answer. Not demanding that audiences must appreciate plain characters as much as attractive ones (in both fiction and real life) under the threat of being immature or sexist or whatever.

I mainly care about raising some awareness about what you think and why. Particularly among video gamers a woman just has to utter a word of dissatisfaction and she's put on the same level as Hitler. Seriously, last year there were pretty nasty ****storms about women who complained about pretty obvious stuff in video games and were threatened, flamed and derrided for saying that they find this kind of portrayal not OK.

I just wonder if BW thinks I'm still 13.

[TheProtheans]

MerinTB wrote...

On topic, super-sex EDI is a bad design decision on BioWare's part.  And, I may hate Isabela with the burning passion of a thousand suns, but her design is NOT the same as what was done to EDI.

EDI was just a robot with curves and a line for a vagina.
This probably would not necessarily make her sexier but I would like to have seen she in a flesh like body with hair and clothes.
She is obviously not going to be ugly for no reason, she is a robot.
Nobody is going to suggest making a ugly robot for no good reason, having her being reasonably attractive is fine.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 03 mai 2013 - 02:38 .

[conjmk]

David7204 wrote...

Kiwi, what exactly is the issue?

Is it that people say awful things? Because yes, that's a problem. But that's also a fact of life.

Or is the problem what people think? That they think an overweight woman dressed up is unattractive?

Demanding that people not say horrible things is reasonable. (Although somewhat pointless. People are going to be rude, and that's just life.)

Demanding that people should not be allowed to think such things is absolutely over the line and absolutely ridiculous. People have every  right to their own minds and every right to make judgements, including judgments you might find humiliating. That's just demanding that the world must find you attractive, that the world is obligated to agree with you. And that's repulsive. But I also suspect that's the core of the issue here.

I agree with this. Why do women think they're the only ones who have to be up to par on a certain standard of beauty that's set by our culture, and that it only hurts them? Look at all the insanely musclely dudes who look like they take steriods in Mass Effect, there's not one skinny guy or fat guy in the game. I've been thin all my life (only recently have I started to gain weight and put on muscle) and yeah it does suck in a culture that glorifies the manly, musclely, jock man, especially in high school. But I don't mope about it, If I want that kind of body I know I have to work hard for it, and if I like my body the way it is than I shouldn't give a f*ck about what people say. I don't write comics trying to push that "really thin guys are whats hot and how dare you think otherwise and have an opinion on what you think is beautiful that I don't fit into"!

Modifié par conjmk, 03 mai 2013 - 02:47 .

[AlexMBrennan]

superhero that is a healthy weight

Name one. All female superheroes have stripperific outfits so short of not going at all there's not much to be done.

[TheProtheans]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

superhero that is a healthy weight

Name one. All female superheroes have stripperific outfits so short of not going at all there's not much to be done.

When I think of them I do not think of stripperfic, strippers are not all that skinny.
Strippers work on the pole and as such have a certain level of fitness.
When I think of a superhero that is female I think of a slim female who does fitness, she is slim because she is fit and healthy.

[dreamgazer]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Name one. All female superheroes have stripperific outfits so short of not going at all there's not much to be done.

Kitty Pryde, in most iterations.