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[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

iakus wrote...

Kinda funny how, if EDI's body was to let her "explore humanity" she never replaces the skin, puts on clothing, or separate the hair.

For that matter, an "infiltration mech" would logically have body proportions mor ein line with a standard human female, like the ones we see all over the place. You know, to not draw attention.

Yeah, EDI totally wasn't deigned to be eye candy /sarcasm

The body was designed to be sexually attractive. Which may have something to do with TIM being creepy about Eva, or just considering that she may have to sleep her way into her places.

And see, if that was part of the backstory we learned about the creation of the Eva-bot, that would make sense.

But it is not part of the story.

[CDR David Shepard]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Here's the logic I'm seeing.

It's perfectly okay for a woman to have the sexually appealing trait of pretty eyes.
It's perfectly okay for a woman to have the sexually appealing trait of flawless skin.
It's perfectly okay for a woman to have the sexually appealing trait of sleek and shiny hair.
It's perfectly okay for a woman to have the sexually appealing trait of  a well-structured face.
It's perfectly okay for a woman to have the sexually appealing trait of being slender.
It's perfectly okay for a woman to have the sexually appealing trait of being tall.

All of these are undeniably sexually appealing traits.

But if a character has the sexually appealing trait of full breasts, well, gosh, it must be because the developers want to bring in 13 year old boys and basement dwellers. It must be because they want to advertise. There's no possible other reason or explanation. And any character who has full breasts is a dumb sl(u)t, because having full breasts 'detracts' from them?

 There's been no mention of breasts in the thread

Argolas wrote...

It is not about her not being allowed to have boobs. If she makes a body for herself and that has boobs, that even makes sense because she would want Joker to like her body. But it does not mean anything to EDI. It's an expandable tool for fire support, she explains that. It looks the way it does because that's how Cerberus designed it, not because EDI wants it to. It's completely meaningless other than "whoa, boobies" and that adds exactly nothing at all to the EDI character.

[Xilizhra]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

It's not even about oversexualizing a female character, it's about oversexualizing a robot.

Why does it matter about her being a robot?

Well, the biological function of sexuality is procreation. This is true even if an individual's sexual preference is not conducive to that end. Robots, not reproducing sexually, would not have sexuality as we know it. 

Developing it would be trivially easy, given the ability of EDI to rewrite her own programming.

[David7204]

I like EDI's and Joker's relationship. I like it a lot. And I seriously doubt it would have worked very well if EDI wasn't very feminine-looking.

Giving EDI full breasts is an practical, and whether you like it or not, effective way to do that. To make her attractive. From both an in-story and meta standpoint

Modifié par David7204, 02 mai 2013 - 07:02 .

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

Is that pretty much what defines EDI as a sexbot? Her rack?

No, breasts are a secondary sexual characteristic. She appears to be equipped with primary ones as well.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Liara has those big beautiful blue eye, cute freckles, flawless skin, slender and buxom. She doesn't need to have any of that. Is that not 'attractiveness for attractiveness' sake?'

I don't find it attractive... not on Liara anyway.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 mai 2013 - 07:02 .

[Argolas]

As I said, I could pretty much deal with EDI's body if the quality of being "extremely hot" wasn't stressed out and reflected in every direction. She can look pretty decent with an alternate outfit, that's not the main issue.

[SpamBot2000]

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

It's not even about oversexualizing a female character, it's about oversexualizing a robot.

Why does it matter about her being a robot?

Well, the biological function of sexuality is procreation. This is true even if an individual's sexual preference is not conducive to that end. Robots, not reproducing sexually, would not have sexuality as we know it. 

Developing it would be trivially easy, given the ability of EDI to rewrite her own programming.

Would it, though? We are talking about physical sensations. Not cognitive processes.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 02 mai 2013 - 07:01 .

[Argolas]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara has those big beautiful blue eye, cute freckles, flawless skin, slender and buxom. She doesn't need to have any of that. Is that not 'attractiveness for attractiveness' sake?'

I don't find it attractive...

Exactly, and it doesn't disturb you much. But it would annoy you if every single character in the game would keep stressing out how beautiful she is. Isn't that right?

[AresKeith]

I actually excepted Bioware to do something like give EDI a body for ME3, and I don't really mind it either myself

But they could've atleast made her put skin back on the body at some point or as an Alternate Appearance

[David7204]

EDIs one of a kind. Of course characters are going to talk about her. I like that her body is lampshaded.

Besides, as I said, it's clearly written to be humorous and endearing, not sexually enticing.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I truly don't care. Didn't care about Miranda's catsuit then, don't care about EDI now.


I don't like it, but I don't actively dislike it.

[Enhanced]

AresKeith wrote...

I actually excepted Bioware to do something like give EDI a body for ME3, and I don't really mind it either myself

But they could've atleast made her put skin back on the body at some point or as an Alternate Appearance

Where would she get skin from? I'm not sure how that would fit into story, or at any point be more important than getting assets for the war.

Modifié par Enhanced, 02 mai 2013 - 07:08 .

[Exile Isan]

AresKeith wrote...
But they could've atleast made her put skin back on the body at some point or as an Alternate Appearance

If Bioware had done that then people would have complained that she didn't look enough like a robot anymore.

[Argolas]

David7204 wrote...

EDIs one of a kind. Of course characters are going to talk about her. I like that her body is lampshaded.

Besides, as I said, it's clearly written to be humorous and endearing, not sexually enticing.

In that case they overdid it for me pretty clearly. And as I said, I see potential in EDI getting a humanoid body if done well and it wasn't IMHO.

[David7204]

That's a very good point. EDI should still look like an AI.

[David7204]

Argolas wrote...

David7204 wrote...

EDIs one of a kind. Of course characters are going to talk about her. I like that her body is lampshaded.

Besides, as I said, it's clearly written to be humorous and endearing, not sexually enticing.

In that case they overdid it for me pretty clearly. And as I said, I see potential in EDI getting a humanoid body if done well and it wasn't IMHO.

So what's your suggestion? What exactly do you think EDI's body should have looked like?

[Xilizhra]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

It's not even about oversexualizing a female character, it's about oversexualizing a robot.

Why does it matter about her being a robot?

Well, the biological function of sexuality is procreation. This is true even if an individual's sexual preference is not conducive to that end. Robots, not reproducing sexually, would not have sexuality as we know it. 

Developing it would be trivially easy, given the ability of EDI to rewrite her own programming.

Would it, though? We are talking about physical sensations. Not cognitive processes.

If the body was designed for sexual activity, sexual feedback to the main unit would be useful for verisimilitude.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

 how can someone find that thing sexy is beyond me.

[wright1978]

I would have been happy enough with EDI staying just as the ship, especially as she took a precious slot on the roster.

Now that said i'm not completely against the concept of hiving her off into an avatar on paper. However i feel if that was to be the case it should have been more a case of EDI the ship and EDI the bot becoming distinct entities and developing differently due to their different experiences. Instead having the bot being a mere mobile platform for the ship based AI but yet not really dealing with this duality properly and instead focusing on humanising her mobile self seemed off.

Equally the Joker relationship could make sense, given their rapport and the fact that Joker's condition would mean a relationship with an AI that could equally interact on a virtual level would be benficial. Yet they seemed to want to play it out standardly with the exception of playing for some cheap laughs along the way.

[David7204]

If I was an engineer designing a humanoid AI like EDI, I can honestly say I would go ahead and give her the full package.

Look, you've already done all the hard work getting the damn brain up and running. You're already 99.9% down that road. You might as well go the last step. People are going to be thinking it, whether they admit it or not. It's going to cross your mind sooner or later. Why not?

Modifié par David7204, 02 mai 2013 - 07:18 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

If I was an engineer designing a humanoid AI like EDI, I can honestly say I would go ahead and give her the full package.

Look, you've already done all the hard work getting the damn brain up and running. You're already 99.9% down that road. You might as well go the last step. People are going to be thinking it, whether they admit it or not. It's going to cross your mind sooner or later. Why not?

Just because it crosses your mind doesn't mean you should do it

[SpamBot2000]

Xilizhra wrote...

If the body was designed for sexual activity, sexual feedback to the main unit would be useful for verisimilitude.

I suppose it would, but I have a hard time figuring out what exactly that would be. 

[David7204]

Sure it does. That's what science is all about. Doing cool stuff for the hell of it. Don't listen to all that boring philosophical crap.

Modifié par David7204, 02 mai 2013 - 07:21 .

[Argolas]

David7204 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

David7204 wrote...

EDIs one of a kind. Of course characters are going to talk about her. I like that her body is lampshaded.

Besides, as I said, it's clearly written to be humorous and endearing, not sexually enticing.

In that case they overdid it for me pretty clearly. And as I said, I see potential in EDI getting a humanoid body if done well and it wasn't IMHO.

So what's your suggestion? What exactly do you think EDI's body should have looked like?

As I said before, the issue isn't even EDI's look alone, it's what it did to her character. If she had made a body for herself, say, the way she thought Joker would have liked it, and it ended up looking exactly like it does now- that would already make a HUGE difference. About cosmetic changes: Just a few clothes that... look like clothes would be nice. And not overdoing that "joke" about how attractive she was. Or they wouldn't have done it at all because she never needed a body. But overwriting a Cerberus mech and making it the core of the EDI character? No.