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[Mastone]

Alien Number Six wrote...

This is a thread to express what you liked about the ending. If you didn't like it please respect those those who do and post in one of the many "I hate the ending." threads. I respect your right to hate on the ending but you are in the wrong place. Regardless of how you felt about the ending Mass Effect 3 and the rest trilogy will go down in history as one of the best video game series of this generation. Love it or hate it Mass Effect 3 was a critical and financial success.

No this is a thread to explain why you liked the endings.
So you claiming this is a love ME ending thread and only accesable if you have a secret love the ending decoder ring is beyond me.

ME is most definitely not the "best video game series of this generation".
It had financial succes  because the first one was such a great game  where they created a believeable and enjoyable universe, Bioware also had the name of being the best RPG game house on the planet  and they had a great marketing campaign going on...this combination made it a big sales succes.
the critical succes is debatable to say the least since I don't believe there is any decent gamejournalism going around anymore every triple A game being released has got a 10 out of 10 review, unless they ( bliep) up so badly even the reviewer can't lie about it, but even rates it a 7 out of 10 or something like that
The reviews are mostly done by people who like the games, a shooter affecionado will get Battlefield 3...really strange that the review comes out as best game ever....
And it is widely known ( at least I hope) that most reviewers don't finish the games...which in teh case of ME3 is a big issue.

I am only here once in a while to comment on posts  like yours.
And in case I get the highly original comment "it has been a year ago move one if you hate the ending/game" here is my response;
- why don't you?
- I have moved on and played  The Witcher 2 and Bioshock infinite, The Witcher is a better storytelling RPG than ME and Bioshock is a better storybased shooter than ME.
I can highly recommend both of them.
 I also bought LA Noire when it was on a steam sale but found it utterly boring and the lead character really terrible

[NeroonWilliams]

Just for the sake of those who may have forgotten what the OP was all those pages ago, here it is:

csmokey wrote...

I have said the ending is horrible, most of the reason are the same as others, but I want to hear your reasons, if you want, no bashing I just want to understand why people like it

So yeah, not exactly a love-fest, but keep the hate down.  It ISN'T supposed to be an argument.

Modifié par NeroonWilliams, 04 mai 2013 - 02:01 .

[SlowMerc]

I actually liked the change of pace at the end with the star child scene because I had my full share of combat fighting my way through London. During each area change after entering the beam I felt dread and boredom set in as I prepared myself for another set of countless enemies getting in my way or yet another reaper/atlas/whatever boss battle.

Deciding the outcome through dialog and actions based on previous decisions was nice even though they didn't have to do a copy-and-paste from Deus Ex with the exactly same three choices.
My impression of, or explanation for, the star child and the reapers were that they went insane millions of years ago and should be treated like homicidal delusional mental patients holding live hand grenades. Ie you'd talk nicely to them while trying to avoid the blast area.
That explains their weird behavior even though they would have more rational options available to them to solve certain problems or why they would even bother with them.

Of course none of that is reflected in available dialog choices and Shepard still fails to use a proper gun in the right way in about half of the movie parts but that is just everywhere in ME3.

[Reever]

Simple. I believe in what the writers thought out and respect the possible outcomes.

Though the EC helped a lot, of course. And it's still not what I'd say is fit for the ending of such a great trilogy, but still, I was pretty okay with it.

[ApuLunas]

dreamgazer wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

ApuLunas wrote...

i was watching old star trek movies and i realized why new generation didn't like the ending. they don't want to cogitate, they just want to enjoy. mass effect wasn't a journey of ideas for them, it was just another story with science fiction spice.

That makes sense.
I didn't want to cogitate, I just wanted to enjoy another story with sciene fiction spice.
That is why I disapprove of the ending, it is not because it is plot hole ridded and doesn't fit the narrative of the trilogy.

This thread is about what you liked about the ending. If you don't like the ending why are you posting here. I know and respect the fact that many didn't like the ending. But I would like to hear something positive for a change. There are several I hate the ending threads to choose from you can always post in one of them. 

The original post of this conversation didn't have anything to say about why they liked the ending, actually, only a false assumption as to why people didn't like the ending.

PS: the false-God plot device didn't work out too well for Star Trek V.

lol, i just sent my message after finishing the final frontier. well some journeys are good, some are bad, but the point is not that.
young generation just want a hero and a gf/bf story. indeed every individual may need those, however mass effect isn't such kind of story. ME isn't a fairy tale and but a science fiction. quite amount of players couldn't realize the ideas but went after events and personalities, and that was what made them enjoying the end.

Modifié par ApuLunas, 04 mai 2013 - 02:38 .

[AlanC9]

Mastone wrote...
ME is most definitely not the "best video game series of this generation".

In your opinion, you mean?

The rest of your post seems to indicate that there's no objective way to determine which game is the best of its generation.

[Alien Number Six]

Just to be clear I said "One of the best video game series of this generation." I agree with AlanC9 there is no way to clearly indicate which series was the best because it is a matter of opinion. However Mass Effect will be remembered as one of the best along with Dead Space, The Arkham Batman series, Borderlands and other great titles that came out on PS3, XBox 360 and PC during the current era.

[TheProtheans]

Alien Number Six wrote...

Just to be clear I said "One of the best video game series of this generation." I agree with AlanC9 there is no way to clearly indicate which series was the best because it is a matter of opinion. However Mass Effect will be remembered as one of the best along with Dead Space, The Arkham Batman series, Borderlands and other great titles that came out on PS3, XBox 360 and PC during the current era.

It will be remembered for many reasons.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Alien Number Six wrote...

Just to be clear I said "One of the best video game series of this generation." I agree with AlanC9 there is no way to clearly indicate which series was the best because it is a matter of opinion. However Mass Effect will be remembered as one of the best along with Dead Space, The Arkham Batman series, Borderlands and other great titles that came out on PS3, XBox 360 and PC during the current era.

Hell, I'd put Mass up there as the best of this generation.

ME2 is my favorite video game of all time.

I think for me though, the reason ME3 will be remembered is for how it built up to so much and had such potential, but then somehow took a nose dive into the ground with a terminal velocity and impact that dwarfed the dinosaur killer 65 million years ago. That's why I can't help but stay and talk about it. I can't understand how it went from being so good to being so mind bogglingly bad, so fast.

The thing I guess I am absolutely greatful for is the retcon of the galactic dark age. So throw that on there. As I said, it wasn't the Geth or EDI that I worried about. It's the relay's, the lifeblood of civilization.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 mai 2013 - 05:45 .

[TheProtheans]

ApuLunas wrote...


lol, i just sent my message after finishing the final frontier. well some journeys are good, some are bad, but the point is not that.
young generation just want a hero and a gf/bf story. indeed every individual may need those, however mass effect isn't such kind of story. ME isn't a fairy tale and but a science fiction. quite amount of players couldn't realize the ideas but went after events and personalities, and that was what made them enjoying the end.

I don't think people want a fairy tale love story like you're describing.

[MegaSovereign]

TheProtheans wrote...

Alien Number Six wrote...

Just to be clear I said "One of the best video game series of this generation." I agree with AlanC9 there is no way to clearly indicate which series was the best because it is a matter of opinion. However Mass Effect will be remembered as one of the best along with Dead Space, The Arkham Batman series, Borderlands and other great titles that came out on PS3, XBox 360 and PC during the current era.

It will be remembered for many reasons.

cuz it suxs amirite?

[KaiserShep]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The thing I guess I am absolutely greatful for is the retcon of the galactic dark age. So throw that on there. As I said, it wasn't the Geth or EDI that I worried about. It's the relay's, the lifeblood of civilization.

i have to say that aside from Shepard's survival, this is really what mattered most to me. Losing the relays would sour the whole thing for me. I'm fine with trading EDI and the Geth for the death of the reapers, but losing the civilization that we know and never being able to reach any of the worlds and characters would reduce the upsides in the endings to zero. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 04 mai 2013 - 06:15 .

[NeroonWilliams]

KaiserShep wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The thing I guess I am absolutely greatful for is the retcon of the galactic dark age. So throw that on there. As I said, it wasn't the Geth or EDI that I worried about. It's the relay's, the lifeblood of civilization.

i have to say that aside from Shepard's survival, this is really what mattered most to me. Losing the relays would sour the whole thing for me. I'm fine with trading EDI and the Geth for the death of the reapers, but losing the civilization that we know and never being able to reach any of the worlds and characters would reduce the upsides in the endings to zero. 

Actually, keeping that Dark Age in the EC while grim, would have made that ending even more powerful for me.  Hmm, maybe swap the Dark Age for killing off the Geth.

[dreamgazer]

I do like how the ending messed around with the audience's perception of paragon and renegade alignments, and how aggressively it forced them to consider longevity and precedents in the story. It was handled horribly by contradicting logic and established lore, but I did appreciate that element of it.

[gisle]

I chose Destroy, and am happy with the EC ending.
The Reapers are dead, the galaxy survives and rebuilds on its own terms. Another reason is that I am not attached to Shepard.

Generally, I think the ending is okay, because no choice is inarguably better than the next, but my Shepard believed in the galactic civilization starting anew without him supervising it or changing it. Whether you liek it or not, that's what my Shepard figured with less than a minute to think once all choices had been provided. Why I don't think it's really good is that it abandoned what made the triology truly good, and broke too many rules about ending a story.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 04 mai 2013 - 11:02 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The thing I guess I am absolutely greatful for is the retcon of the galactic dark age. So throw that on there. As I said, it wasn't the Geth or EDI that I worried about. It's the relay's, the lifeblood of civilization.

i have to say that aside from Shepard's survival, this is really what mattered most to me. Losing the relays would sour the whole thing for me. I'm fine with trading EDI and the Geth for the death of the reapers, but losing the civilization that we know and never being able to reach any of the worlds and characters would reduce the upsides in the endings to zero. 

Actually, keeping that Dark Age in the EC while grim, would have made that ending even more powerful for me.  Hmm, maybe swap the Dark Age for killing off the Geth.

I thought it was forced primitivism. Despite how it works in destroy, I actually think the dark age was tailored to synthesis. I think pretty much everything you see in the original ending was written for synthesis, with everything else being given minor changes for the other choice. It was supposed to be the 'starting over' in the renewed galaxy, with technology pushed back to pre-space flight and the synthesis key to restart life as it was. It was utterly disgusting. That was Shepard's big 'gift' from synthesis: hit the do-over button for the galaxy as a new genesis.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 04 mai 2013 - 11:07 .

[Jorji Costava]

Perhaps the whole "galactic dark age" thing could have worked better if it were more "earned," if that makes any sense. In other words, there needed to be more of a sense that there's something wrong with the relays beyond "They were created by the Reapers, so they're bad." Suppose eezo had been a conflict mineral, for instance: The idea that the entire edifice of galactic civilization is built upon the exploitation of the few by the many could have served as a stronger thematic legitimation for the destruction of the relays than what we got.

[AlanC9]

osbornep wrote...

Suppose eezo had been a conflict mineral, for instance: The idea that the entire edifice of galactic civilization is built upon the exploitation of the few by the many could have served as a stronger thematic legitimation for the destruction of the relays than what we got.

Anyone else remember Starflight?

(edit: for those who don't, the fuel source for interstellar travel turned out to be intelligent mineral beings; they had such a slow life-cycle that humans couldn't perceive them as alive)

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 mai 2013 - 03:08 .

[Alien Number Six]

I agree MassivelyEffective0730 I felt that the original ending of the game was too abrupt and I didn't expand on how your choice effected the galaxy. Ec changed that and retconned the destroyed mass relays. Had the ending stayed the way that it was at launch I would have less positive things to say about it.

[chemiclord]

Mastone wrote...

I do not wish to insult anyone who like the ending or the way Bioware delivered ME3, hell I wish I could turn critical off thinking myself.

I... have no words.

Pro tip: If you don't want to insult people... it's considered good form to at least wait until the next sentence to insult them.

Modifié par chemiclord, 05 mai 2013 - 12:29 .

[DDK]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

 All three will end the war, but the choice is all about what your Shepard values the most.

Sure, the whole game is about player choice but I'm talking about the meta-plot of the series. Stepping back from the story as a whole and looking at it from outside the choices Shepard makes and any personal bias, it seems geared towards one end: synthesis.

Every choice Shepard is faced with seems to have that overriding theme to it, regardless of what the player actually chooses. The general themes are all based around this central point that the only way to resolve the ultimate problem is through harmony between all things, including harmony between the forces of internal conflict within Shepard.

At least, that's my take-away from it all.

[csmokey]

LOL people I got my answer that was what this post was about, I just wanted to see their point of view without having the fog of anger affecting my view, and people its ok if they have different opinions, im glad I actually took the time to see their view because now I feel better about the ending, still dont like it, but now at least now I can play the trilogy again, before the ending would stop me, because I couldn't get past it