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Auld Wulf wrote...

@KaiserShep

That's all that you understand, anyway. If you lack the ability to understand, then your options are limited, and that's how you become part of the problem. Instead, you could have greater understanding, and then you are part of the solution. This is the key to our future and the Singularity as a whole: Understanding. Wisdom is simply the ability to grasp greater understanding, to become less small in the grand scheme of things by assimilating alternate perspectives into yourself but separating them from the gestalt of your being. You are you, and you understand. Right now, you are you, but you do not understand.

Not many people are very good at ethics and philosophy, they do not understand. They also do not understand other people, they cannot empathise, they cannot grasp the hopes and dreams of another individual. They see other people as a threat, because they do not understand, and this creates conflict. So long as everything is a threat, you will have conflict, conflict driven by primal, animal fears which are in direct contradiction of the intellectuality which makes us human. If we are driven by primal fear, we are small animals, and nothing more.

Intellectuality leads to understanding, and understanding leads to wisdom. And of wisdom, I have plenty. I look at the world around me and I realise that when one person understands another, the barriers between them diminish, and the fear diminishes as well, thus conflict becomes a non issue. Instead, where once you would have had people tearing at each other's eyes, now you have them collaborating on grand works of art or science, because they understand each other, they admire each other, they respect each other.

Collaboration is the opposite of conflict, and it's collaboration through intellect that's brought us to where we are -- the apex race of our planet. Conflict is old hat, it's something evolution did to get us this far, but now we have to take things into our own hands. It's up to us to stop being small animals, to stop falling prey to the animal fears. To be human is to actually use the ability to think and perceive on levels far beyond other creatures.

Any creature can feel, but it is when feeling is met with intellect that we gain empathy and ethics. When we feel for another, or other groups of people, we turn what once would have been conflict into collaboration. And this is our strength, as human beings. Not as base, mindless barbaric drones who tear at each other's flesh, but as thinking, clever, self-modifying things. To a degree, we are the closest thing to a perfect machine that nature has created, and yet due to our lack of understanding, we are still so flawed.

So we must then create something even more perfect than us so that we might all understand, something that can share understanding with everyone, and put people on equal footing. There have been many examples of this in television, literature, films, and games. But let me use games, as I'm sure they are more common examples. In Fallout Tactics, one merges with the machine in order to bring peace to the wastes. In Deus Ex, one merges with the machine in order to create Helios, to network all of humankind. In Mass Effect 3, one merges with the machine in order to create Synthesis.

The want is there. There is wisdom in the desire. It's subconscious and close to the surface for many humans, but you have to be aware of it. You have to understand it. Conflict is not the way forward, as conflict leads only to extinction. We fear that which takes us away from nature because we don't want to understand, not understanding allows us to be comfortable, small animals, obeying our primal fears. Being good little rabbits and wolves, just being a part of the cycle of nature.

But already we augment ourselves. Whenever you put on a pair of spectacles you're doing something that doesn't exist within the animal kingdom. When you use an iPhone to twitter, you're networking on a level that cannot exist within nature. This is the way forward, this is what we're all progressing toward, and this is what Synthesis is ultimately the symbolism of. Open your mind to this knowledge, understand. Synthesis isn't to be taken literally, Synthesis is symbolism. It's an idealistic crystal ball of what could be.

So it's up to us to decide. Do we kill each other off, or do we put all of our efforts into creating something more perfect than us, something that could help us toward perfection, put all of humanity on equal footing, and help all of us understand each other. Which is the more worthy goal? Ultimately, conflict leads to nothing more than a barren earth, as weapons become more dangerous, and war becomes more frivolous, as reasons to fight become more common as we fall back on our animal fear.

I think, at the moment, we stand on something of a precipice. I hope we choose wisely.


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Technology is not the answer. Humanity is already networked just fine, but technology is only a tool. The true solution is to listen.

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Argolas wrote...

Technology is not the answer. Humanity is already networked just fine, but technology is only a tool. The true solution is to listen.


ARE YOUR HEADPHONES NOT TECHNOLOGY?  

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spirosz wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Technology is not the answer. Humanity is already networked just fine, but technology is only a tool. The true solution is to listen.


ARE YOUR HEADPHONES NOT TECHNOLOGY?  


They don't talk to me... but I guess you can always ask this guy:

Auld Wulf wrote...

And of wisdom, I have plenty.


Worth a sig. Not mine though, that'd be a waste.

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Auld Wulf wrote...
So it's up to us to decide. Do we kill each other off, or do we put all of our efforts into creating something more perfect than us, something that could help us toward perfection, put all of humanity on equal footing, and help all of us understand each other. Which is the more worthy goal? Ultimately, conflict leads to nothing more than a barren earth, as weapons become more dangerous, and war becomes more frivolous, as reasons to fight become more common as we fall back on our animal fear.


Do you truly believe that humans will stop creating weapons or harming each other because of this new "understanding"?  Equal footing, till how long?  Till another genius gets influenced to create for evil purposes again?   

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Argolas wrote...

Technology is not the answer. Humanity is already networked just fine, but technology is only a tool. The true solution is to listen.


Heresy!  Heresy!

Organics are incapable of achieving understanding or cooperation on their own!  It must be imposed upon them by an outside force!

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What becomes of ambition, hubris, and curiosity in the post-synthesis world?

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Auld Wulf probably doesn't even know what the basic idea behind a Tech Singularity is.

He also doesn't realize that we really don't need synthesis to achieve what he's saying.

Not to mention, that wasn't the purpose behind the ending at all.

Besides, it's boring. I wanna shoot and kill stuff.

BIG EXPLOSIONS!!!

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 06 mai 2013 - 04:25 .


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All I got out of that slurry of words was a thinly veiled insult and a total contradiction.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 mai 2013 - 04:27 .


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KaiserShep wrote...

All I got out of that slurry of words was a thinly veiled insult and a total contradiction.


At least it was thinly veiled this time.

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dreamgazer wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

All I got out of that slurry of words was a thinly veiled insult and a total contradiction.


At least it was thinly veiled this time.


What's that? Auld Wulf insulting? Stop the ****ing presses.

*Goes back to shooting red pipes*

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KaiserShep

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Well if those damn pipes weren't made of deliciously shatterific glass we'd stop shooting them.

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Heh, yes. In both ME2 and ME3, you have to shoot the tubes in order to win. The difference is that in ME2 there are people who tell you that while the only one there that would in ME3 sadly died shortly before.

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Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


It isn't.

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


::holds up a mirror::

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


Dude, people still bitch and moan about The Phantom Menace, about the same issues over and over.

That was just shy of fifteen years ago. Sci-fi geeks are resilient.

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[quote]dreamgazer wrote...

Dude, people still bitch and moan about The Phantom Menace, about the same issues over and over.

That was just shy of fifteen years ago. Sci-fi geeks are resilient.[/quote]
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We shall not be silenced! :bandit:

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iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


::holds up a mirror::



I don't even play the game or any other game anymore... too much work and nice summer weather tends to push you out from in front of the pc-screen  :lol: Nor I haven't taken part in this argument for a long time. Ocassionally I drop by and check out what's going on, and I'm quite surprised that it's the same music with the same notes, played by the same people.  So, no... that mirror does not show anything. I'm not obsessed with ME nor its ending.  I'll play it again in a few years time, I'm sure, but for now I had enough of it. 4 playthroughs of the trilogy in 2 years is more than enough. It's over.

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dreamgazer wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


Dude, people still bitch and moan about The Phantom Menace, about the same issues over and over.

That was just shy of fifteen years ago. Sci-fi geeks are resilient.


I am not really interested in sci-fi (hated Star Wars, and I never saw more than a few seperated episodes of Star Trek although that was fine, that's already it) and I'm not interested in shooters at all. Mass Effect changed neither of that.

I still f**kn love Mass Effect and I'll keep ****ing about it. So yes, it's more than just another video game.

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GimmeDaGun wrote...

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


::holds up a mirror::



I don't even play the game or any other game anymore... too much work and nice summer weather tends to push you out from in front of the pc-screen  :lol: Nor I haven't taken part in this argument for a long time. Ocassionally I drop by and check out what's going on, and I'm quite surprised that it's the same music with the same notes, played by the same people.  So, no... that mirror does not show anything. I'm not obsessed with ME nor its ending.  I'll play it again in a few years time, I'm sure, but for now I had enough of it. 4 playthroughs of the trilogy in 2 years is more than enough. It's over.


Sure you're not just a vampire? 

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dreamgazer wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


Dude, people still bitch and moan about The Phantom Menace, about the same issues over and over.

That was just shy of fifteen years ago. Sci-fi geeks are resilient.



:lol: Now this is a straightforward answer with self-ironic humour. I like it. Ok, have it your way... I just can't find passion in it anymore... I'm not a real sci-fi geek it seems.... :? ... but hell, it does not change that I love sci-fi. 

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Oh guys! How can you, the very same people waste so much time and energy arguing about the very same thing with the same points after more than one year? ME3 is done, it's a complete product, and only a game. It's over. Repeating yourselves to death and many of you constantly expressing how betrayed he or she feels (???) won't help you one bit and definitely won't change anything. Some of you start to sound like people who have nothing else in life only this simple sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Seriously...


::holds up a mirror::



I don't even play the game or any other game anymore... too much work and nice summer weather tends to push you out from in front of the pc-screen  :lol: Nor I haven't taken part in this argument for a long time. Ocassionally I drop by and check out what's going on, and I'm quite surprised that it's the same music with the same notes, played by the same people.  So, no... that mirror does not show anything. I'm not obsessed with ME nor its ending.  I'll play it again in a few years time, I'm sure, but for now I had enough of it. 4 playthroughs of the trilogy in 2 years is more than enough. It's over.


Sure you're not just a vampire? 


Naaaah... I'm a werewolf... at least my stature and beard makes me look like one. :D

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Finished my coffee. Got to go to work! Have a nice day all!

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'The' ending? There's 4 endings... I like the Destroy ending the most, (even without the extended cut) as you might survive at the end. The Control & Synthesis endings aren't very different. The ending that occurs when you choose not to activate the crucible is good... The Catalyst scared the crap out of me :( I recommend watching the ending where you don't activate the Crucible, it is the only one that is significantly different. Hope you enjoy it :D