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[Alien Number Six]

I would also like to point out that the writers of Mass Effect 3 made a solid attempt to portray PTSD. This was a big part of the ending. For those who don't have PTSD I will explain. PTSD at least for me is like having your brain stuck on rewind. It constantly replays a tramuatic event. During the day I'm anti-social and full of angst. I try not to be but because of what has happened in the past my mind keeps me at a constant state of readiness. At night I often dream about the incident that put me in this state. A private named Jake Anderton gripping my hand staring at me with wide blue eyes. He was nineteen and he had only been in country for two days. He has been blowen in half from the waist down by a IED. He is dying. Anderton asks me "I'm I going to be ok?" I lie and tell him he will be fine. He bleeds out and passes away. It wasn't the first time I had watched someone die during the war. But this time was different. The kid died in my arms. Even worse I lied to him about it to make him feel better about it. I wake up. Sometimes I jump out of bed. Sometimes I scream "Contact! Open fire twenty meters left!" just as I did that day. This brings me to Shepard. She dreams about the boy she leaves behind on earth the whole game after his death. She has killed people and seen her friends die but watching this kid ruthlessly struck down by the Reapers is the last straw. When the AI that controls the Reapers meets Shepard it projects itself as a reoccuring image from Shepard's mind it thinks is friendly and non-threatning. The truth is it couldn't have chosen a more threatning image. I thank the writers of Mass Effect 3 for making a attempt to tackle this subject. PTSD is a serious mental illness that claims the lives of soliders even after they have put down their rifle for good.

[Wolfva2]

Thank you for sharing that Alien. "Misery shared is misery halved; joy shared is joy multiplied."(quoted from LtCol D. Grossman) Good luck on your recovery.

I've argued the PTSD argument here before, and I think you nailed Shep on it. Many people seem to think of Shep as the stereotypical, wise cracking Movie hero. He dispatches hordes of enemies with a quip, bangs the girl (or guy), has a drink and nothing ever effects him. I believe in real life we call people like that 'sociopaths'. But that's about the only example of a 'hero' most people have...what they see in movies. I am so very glad that Bioware made Shep a human being and not a caricature. I'm glad that he's affected by the things that happen around him, things outside of his control.

[Sentibunny]

I liked Synthesis because it's the perfect ending for me. It was a story of self-sacrifice for the greater good, which I tend to love. I teared up a bit. I played it after the EC came out, so idk how I'd react to the original.

Anyway, yeah. I like Synthesis. The galaxy is at peace, civilization will advance at an amazing pace, and we can all live in peace. What's not to love?

[o Ventus]

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

[Mangalores]

o Ventus wrote...

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

Probably true. I have a media degree so yeah. I think it doesn't go beyond feels, it is simply that I know too much about the staples and how this works so that I need deeper input to get the feels. I'm too used to the standard stories and hope for new input to tickle my brain and heart.

[Wynterdust]

Because it is open ended enough to make different interpretations of it as seen by the amount of theories there is about it, most of which make sense depending how you look at it. I like having to use my imagination such as thinking about what could happen next or was the starchild honest or was he deceiving you etc.
I am also not a fan of happy endings in everything. The option would be nice but personally I prefer stories that are abit darker in that sense- largely why I am a fan of the Song of Ice and Fire books. Not having an ultimately happy ending, to me, makes it feel a bit more real.

[Morlath]

csmokey wrote...

I have said the ending is horrible, most of the reason are the same as others, but I want to hear your reasons, if you want, no bashing I just want to understand why people like it

It makes sense.

Sure it's a left turn from what most people were expecting and not at all what they were wanting, the execution needed some polish (from a purely artistic and writing perspective) but I see nothing wrong in the way the game ended, especially with the EC.

The way I see it is that it makes the player fill in too many gaps for the general consensus. Where the three choices came from, what the boy is, why it took that form, these are all things that can be infered from the game lore without any headcannon at all and almost none if you throw in the HOW those non-destroy endings are supposed to work.

I don't see it as taking away people's choices since the way people play the game(s) impacts how the galaxy reacts to what is picked.

[webhead921]

o Ventus wrote...

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

It might just be me, but this seems to be a thinly veiled insult towards those who are satisfied with the ending.  

Modifié par webhead921, 03 mai 2013 - 10:53 .

[Neizd]

I don't "hate" or "like" the ending...it just doesn't offer me the option that I wanted for some of my Shepards. Okay I got sacrifice, control or grim win...but where is epic win like in ME1 and ME2?

Overall the game is average but not because the ending...it's because the details like Tali face, Journal system, Autodialogue etc.

[JamesFaith]

webhead921 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

It might just be me, but this seems to be a thinly veiled insult towards those who are satisfied with the ending.  

Yeap, it is.

Concept of different opinions is hard to accept for someone, so they keep inventing new and new "objective" reasons why people like something different then them. Why they simply can't accept that different people prefer different things?

BTW: In many negative posts I saw formulations like I hate this, I'm disgusted with or I was horriffied... Isn't these feelings too?

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

This is a false dichotomy if I ever saw one.

Tone deals with emotion, yes, and "pro-enders" often use tone as a starting place because it is the shortest route to authorial intent. But if you're going to sit there and tell me that Ieldra2, My Chemical Bromance, JSheppp et al. are anything but analytical, you'll earn nothing but derision as a response from me.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

This is a false dichotomy if I ever saw one.

Tone deals with emotion, yes, and "pro-enders" often use tone as a starting place because it is the shortest route to authorial intent. But if you're going to sit there and tell me that Ieldra2, My Chemical Bromance, JSheppp et al. are anything but analytical, you'll earn nothing but derision as a response from me.

You must have missed the "tend to" part. It's not a rule, just an observation.

[GoudaMaster]

 I liked the end because firstly, compared to the crap some missions are in this game, or compared to how Shepard acts on its own and all (autodialogue), the end is the only choice in the game (with the genophage's end) that made me think.
Most of the time, as a paragon shepard, the blue solution was the only one I could chose.

I liked how, after speaking with the catalyst, Saren, TIB and Anderson seem to be right in some way when they tried to put an end to the Reaper's cycle. In the end, there isn't one obviously good choice.

I think Shepard needs to die at the end of the trilogy. I thought that the teammates I chosen to go to the citadel died in the beam run, and once again, I was fine with it (I even chose them, Ashley and Garrus, because compared to other I felt like they didn't have any other thing to do).

To be honest, the only thing I like about extended cut is refusal and more discussion with the catalyst. I don't like the last scene with the love interest, and the epilogue about how the galaxy turns out after shepard death isn't necessary either.

Deus ex machina end isn't something I have problem with. I don't think Mass Effect has a depth story in any way, it is just a good sci-fi for teenagers. So the end match the serie in my opinion. That said, I am not fan of it either, it lacks intensity, it lacks explanation.


Sorry for my bad english, it isn't my native language.

[heathxxx]

I liked the endings... pretty colours!

Oh, and I was high at the time O_o

[webhead921]

I wouldn't say that I necessarily liked the ending, but I thought it was fine and felt that the fan response was overblown. I thought the ending made sense (at least the destroy/control options, not synthesis), but that it was presented poorly. The ending felt jarring, and I didn't like the fact that a lot important information was just thrown at you in the final moments of the game. I didn't really like the catalyst appearing as the kid from the nightmares, and I thought the final sequence was too abrupt. However, it still made sense. The reaper's motivations made sense (even though the catalyst explained them poorly), and Shepard killed the reapers. It wasn't amazing, but it was just OK. At the time of release, I found myself identifying with the pro-ending camp more than the retake Mass Effect movement because I didn't hate the ending was OK with how things turned out. I think the extended cut is an improvement, but I also feel like it wasn't necessary. The catalyst's dialogue/explanations were improved, which was good. The ending was presented better, but it didn't really reveal anything that I could not infer from the original ending.

[KaiserShep]

o Ventus wrote...

I've come to notice that people who are happy with the ending tend to talk about the "feels", while those who are unsatisfied with the ending are more narratively analytical and disregard the feels (at least, they're played down as a factor).

Think of it the same way some would feel about the ending of Battlestar Galactica. As a huge fan of the series, I was kind of dumbfounded by how out-of-left-field season 4 became, and ultimately ending in a WTF kind of ending. I could pick apart the ending of that series in many different ways that would make one think that I really truly hate it. Thing is, I don't. By all rights it should irk me and make me write off the series as a fluke that finally went sour, yet it didn't, and that's because for all the nonsense that went on, and some obvious mistakes, it still kind of nailed the emotional satisfaction I was getting out of the program from the beginning.

Similarly, for ME3's massive faults, it still plucked the right strings often enough to keep me infatuated with it. I'm not going to suppose that we should all feel this way about it, but there are some cases in which I will let certain things slide because it's likeable enough, for the same reason I don't hate the 2009 Star Trek movie, despite it making no sense from beginning to end. I won't pretend that any of it is great, or even good, but I just can't hate it.

Admittedly, as I've stated before, I never played the game before the EC and DLC's were released, so I never did experience the initial shock earlier adopters of the series did when it came to a close, and for that I'm pretty thankful. Ultimately, I got most of what I wanted out of the ending, even if the execution in the final act cheapened a lot of what it took to get there.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 03 mai 2013 - 03:00 .

[o Ventus]

I guess it's just me then. Emotional gratification is a factor in terms of my own enjoyment of something, but I needs to be narratively coherent and intellectually stimulating as well. ME3's ending didn't provide either of the latter 2 for me.

Sadly, the final category seems to be sorely lacking from a lot of popular media.

[KaiserShep]

o Ventus wrote...

I guess it's just me then. Emotional gratification is a factor in terms of my own enjoyment of something, but I needs to be narratively coherent and intellectually stimulating as well. ME3's ending didn't provide either of the latter 2 for me.

Sadly, the final category seems to be sorely lacking from a lot of popular media.

I can understand that. Only thing is, I think Mass Effect has never really provided much in the way of intellectual stimulation when it came to the conclusions of its other installments. The most intriguing stuff has always been the things in between, and admittedly, ME1 and 2 do have more of that than 3 between the first and last acts. But the endings of the other 2 games are dead simple, and I think that's where 3 went wrong. It seemed as though they were going for something beyond the simple "destroy the enemy and save the day" routine, which is pretty much what sums up the other two, which created this confusing mess that took the wind out of any sense of real victory. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 03 mai 2013 - 03:16 .

[Majin Paul]

 I  think the ending is acceptable because I get to defeat the Reapers and survive.

[dreamgazer]

o Ventus wrote...

Sadly, the final category seems to be sorely lacking from a lot of popular media.

Well, it depends on where you look. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

MassivelyEffective, can you please stop hijacking this thread? It is not about why you DON'T like the ending. It is not a hate thread. It is a place to articulate some sense of enjoyment.

We all get it; you hated the ending. That's fine, too, but not here. As has been stated, there are PLENTY of threads that are all about pooping on the ending.

And to those who are arguing with Massive: stop feeding the troll.

Maybe I did hijack the thread. I apologize. 

But I'm not a troll, nor do I like being called one.

I can troll and bring this thread down if you like.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 03 mai 2013 - 04:25 .

[o Ventus]

dreamgazer wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sadly, the final category seems to be sorely lacking from a lot of popular media.

Well, it depends on where you look. 

Admittedly, I don't get to view as much media as I would like. I don particularly watch a lot of TV. I mainly stick to gaming.

Just to name a few; Season 7 of Dexter ended like crap. ME3 ended like crap. BioShock Infinite's ending didn't make any sense. Gears of War 3 ended on a planet-shaking Deus ex machina.

[Degs29]

Question:

If you choose destroy, do they still have the memorial scene on the Normandy in the extended cut?


I've never chosen destroy.  I'm not about to sacrifice the Geth.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

o Ventus wrote...

I guess it's just me then. Emotional gratification is a factor in terms of my own enjoyment of something, but I needs to be narratively coherent and intellectually stimulating as well. ME3's ending didn't provide either of the latter 2 for me.

Sadly, the final category seems to be sorely lacking from a lot of popular media.

I agree, though I feel that all 3 of those terms are there. I acknowledge that others feel different.

I don't feel emotionally satisfied. This stems from a bad execution with a few just plain bad idea's.

I don't think it's narratively coherent.

I don't think it's intellectually stimulating. This one also stems from a bad execution as well.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Degs29 wrote...

Question:

If you choose destroy, do they still have the memorial scene on the Normandy in the extended cut?


I've never chosen destroy.  I'm not about to sacrifice the Geth.

Yes, but Shepard's name is not put up.