Optimystic_X wrote...
What if reconstructing you from Control or Synthesis was also a "one-time only thing?" Would you accept it then?
The techy-science part is easy. There's actually a clone of Shepard running around out there (or dead, but which would be much easier to revive than Shepard was with Lazarus), and technology already exists to download memories directly into someone's head (Prothean beacons, graybox etc.) Bam, new Shepard. And that's just the tech we already have, never mind the new stuff we could come up with under the blue or green endings.
I'm happy with Shepard's sacrifice. But if Miranda, or Kahlee Sanders, or some other scientist said "I think we can bring Shepard back one more time - we should at least try!" I'd be okay with that too.
Who cares if it was "stuff that was never possible before?" What is this irrational fear/hatred for new things? Lazarus changed the rules of the setting. Leviathan changed the rules of the setting. Hell, thermal clips changed the rules of the setting. So what? Rules were made to be broken. I don't think any setting should adhere to "this is the way things are and they should always be this way forever, because." It's stagnant, it's boring. Bring on the change. Bring on the new. Let's turn over some rocks, see what lives underneath. It's a big galaxy out there.
They're the Crucible's parameters. The Catalyst is just the mouthpiece.
Sounds like you support Synthesis 
I actually agree with you on the dangers of the Shepalyst, but that's a separate issue. One that we at least have time (longer than 50k years at least) to solve.
My hope is that one day, the races (both organic and synthetic) can find it and peacefully relieve it of duty. But in any event, I chose Synthesis so it's not a problem for me.
To the first two paragraphs, I don't think you're quite getting what I'm saying. This is a narrative problem. The game had established rules, lore, and science set-up in the beginning. Since ME (at least in the beginning) was meant to be hard sci-fi, any rules or science that are not explained are assumed to be the same as Real Life. Then the game changes that. For a few of the changes, like Lazarus, where there is enough material and science techno-babble to make it work. They have a body and use the technology at their disposal to physically rebuild and revitalize Shepard's corpse. Same with Thermal Clips. There is no body left for Shepard. Where are you going to get his memories from? A bloody dreamcatcher? You're missing what I'm saying about change. I'm not at all opposed to it. But for some things like Synthesis, there's too much change, too fast. I'm not talking a 60's counterculture here, I'm talking a straight deus ex machina change. The old laws of the universe are suddenly irrelevent. That's what synthesis does. It leapfrogs the entire chain of events, and in a realm where the old laws are mixed with the laws of RL (physics, thermodynamics, etc), that violates the narrative. It changes science, it changes biology, it changes logic. And they don't even bother explaining it. Where nothing was possible before, everything is possible now. I don't believe that. I think everything was possible before, we just had to work to achieve it. It becomes utterly unbelievable to me, and smashes what remains of the already prior smashed narrative up to that point. I've told you numerous times in other threads why I don't meta-with the ending, especially synthesis. It's because it litterally drives me into an angry laugh. I feel
insulted by BW that they even tried to pull that on us. I know you don't feel the same, I'm just stating how I feel about it. And lastly, I'm not really happy with sacrifice. It's an overrated and cliche'd theme in my opinion. I'd rather my Shepard live and make his own future. He has his own stake as much as anyone else, and in the end game, he's fighting for his own reasons (i.e. future with Miranda, her own safety, etc). He'll fight harder and be more inclined to survive knowing he has his own reasons to come back alive. We'll accept that as a difference of opinion. That and Shepard already died once and got resurrected once. Who is he, Bevel Lemelisk? Two times (for both) is too many. He's not dying again for a long, long time.
They're the Crucibles parameters,
as stipulated by the Catalyst. This is where I stop meta-gaming. Even if he's not lying, he still has a perspective and intent that is completely different from my own. We have different idea's of chaos and perfection and preservation. He's new, he's the Reaper-king, and I don't trust him at all. Especially when I hear his problem and his 'science'. I honestly don't believe he's actually that intelligent. I think the very nature of his intelligence is so limited that he wasn't able to find a way to circumvent his own programming and instead follow it to the letter. I don't think he's able to withhold the truth, which is why he tells me about destroy and control. But I do believe that his preferences due to his basic programming make him see synthesis as a solution to his idea of chaos, perfection, and preservation and the necessity of the cycle. Then he explains the science behind synthesis. The warning lights that were already beeping in my Shepard's head are now blaring. In conjunction with the Catalyst's perceived opinion of chaos, perfection, and preservation (which Shepard is immediately suspicious of), this has broken the deal on that option. He is also completely unbelieving of the Catalyst on it's beliefs of the necessity of the cycle or the nature of the problem. That's where I'm coming from with that particular train of thought.
As for your last paragraph, I do support the concept in a way. But not in the way it's presented in the game, not in conjunction with the narrative of the franchise (stemming from it's presentation and themes), and not for the reasons, or themes, for why it's being presented.
You can have everything in destroy that you get in synthesis. And you get it on your own terms with your own technology in the future. That's the appeal of destroy. We're building our own future, on our own terms. Even at the cost of the Geth and EDI. We won't forget them. We'll remember them. And we'll build more synthetics, and take the lessons that we learned from the Geth and EDI and make them truly free. Everything we had before can be rebuilt, replaced, and eventually overcome with even greater technology. And we're all free of the looming spectre of the reapers. We're all we've got, and we're going to make the most of it.
As for Synthesis, here's a link with a list of my stipulations for it. I put it up in one of Seival's threads, so it might be a bit... skewered that argument.
http://social.biowar...165/20#16616586
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