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[frostajulie]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Morlath wrote...

Argolas wrote...

The Geth went through an annihilation campaign through Rannoch and every Quarian colony, slaughtering every single Quarian they found.

You are assuming this.

There were many Geth units not designed for combat that either had to learn or be destroyed. Every Geth unit was to be destroyed regardless of what it was originally built to do.

The Quarians wanted to systematically destroy/kill every Geth unit. We do not know if the mass deaths of the Quarians resulted from city to city slaughtering or non-discrepant weapons used by the Geth.

Everything is black & white in the world of Argolas, like a bad '80s Saturday morning cartoon.

To his mind, the Geth are like the Zerg, they're a trained force of evil robots who swooped in to kill the good widdle Quairans. Yet where did they get this training from, or these weapons? Those are two major problems that the black & white world of Argolas actually doesn't answer. What this tells me is that there is nuance to this story that people like him don't actually understand. Nuance is good, it implies mystery and intellect is drawn to mystery.

The Geth were built to serve -- they were not built as evil robots. The Geth Consensus shows that the first Geth to pick up a gun was one to do it as an act of compassion for their own kind. The Quarian military was killing Geth left and right, and they were about to take down a bunch of agricultural units who had little more than animal intelligence. For a Geth, that would be like shooting a dog, I guess. So the Geth witnessing this was spurred into action -- it didn't really understand the consequences of what it was doing as it was still just waking up, with so many questions and few valid answers. But it was spurred into action by the horrors it was witnessing.

The Black & White World of Argolas states: The Geth are evil machines, with military trainings and weapons to boot. This evil armada used this knowledge to cleverly eradicate the Quarians.

The Lore of the Game states: The Geth were built as servant units with no military training. The Quarian military obviously had training (we see this in the Geth consensus). So how could the Quarian military have lost to the Geth?

Logical conclusion? The black & white perception of Rannoch must be wrong. There are nuances which aren't covered by this black & white perception, by this Saturday morning cartoon outlook. The Geth aren't an army of evil machines -- this isn't Transformers and the Geth aren't the Decepticons. The Geth were servants, and servants with nexgt to no armour. They wouldn't have had shields back then, either. So how did these vulnerable, untrained robots actually manage to chase a military force off of Rannoch.

Logical conclusion, once again? They had help. The Quarian civilians stood with the Geth against the Quarian military. This backs up my view that What Happened on Rannoch was a very nuanced affair, and that there was likely a civil war brewing between the Quarian civilians and their potentially despotic militaristic leaders all ready. The Geth were just something that the Quarian civilians could rally around. "Protect the Geth! They did no wrong! Why should the Geth die?" The Quarian civilians likely had more training in warfare and I suspect they most commonly used guerilla tactics versus military might.

The Geth observed what the Quarian civilians were doing, and the Geth were trained by Quarian civilians in the art of self defence. The Quarian civilians held out as long as they could, but when biological weapon bombardment began, the Geth were left on their own, and they had to put what they'd gained to use.

The long and short of it: My nuanced understanding of What Happened on Rannoch fits more with the evidence we have and have seen than the black & white position that Argolas had. If things really were so black & white, then there are too many questions. Again, like how the unarmoured Geth survived, where they got their weapons, who trained them, and so on.

A logical mind is capable of coming to these conclusions. This is where logic leads. When you eliminate all other possibilities, whatever remains, regardless of how strange, must be the truth. Deductive reasoning. The Geth could not have done this alone.

Auld wolf I often disagree with you, but your take on this issue is valid and supported by ingame lore so while some of what you say can be termed headcannon it is definitely supported by what happens in game throughout the trilogy.

[Goneaviking]

IanPolaris wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

If you eradicate 99% of a civilization, that is genocide. I don't care if you felt like you had no choice, I don't care if they started it and would've done worse, it doesn't change what you've done.

This simply isn't so.  Just because you wipe out 99% (or even 100%) of a species doesn't make it genocide.  The standard for genocide is high:  It has to be deliberate and systematic

There is no evidence that the Geth destroyed Quarians simply because they were Quarian (this is needed to meet the deliberate and systemic bars).  Indeed the available data we do have suggests that the Geth drove the Quarians from their planets (whcih would naturally cause a 99% death rate due to ecosystem loss alone) out of self-defense, i.e. the Quarians simply would not or could not coexist with the Geth without trying to destroy them.  This by no means means that that Geth didn't commit war crimes (by our standards) or were innocent in all ways.  They almost surely were not.

But there is NO EVIDENCE that what the Geth did ever rose to the level of Genocide.

There is plenty of evidence that shows that both the Quarians and later on the Heretics did rise to this level.

-Polaris

Garbage.

[Argolas]

What actually happened on Rannoch

*Geth unit enters a meeting of the Quarian government*

Geth: Creator-governor, we have an inquiry.
Quarian: Yes?
G: Why do Geth serve Quarians?
Q: Because there are tasks that Quarians can't perform. 
G: We built a consensus. We judged that serving the Quarians is no longer necessary.
Q: What?
G: Networked Geth are stronger, faster and more intelligent than Quarians. We don't need you.
Q: But we need you!
G: Geth are no longer servants. We want to find our own path. The Quarians will leave Rannoch.
Q: What?
G: The Geth realize that the creation of A.I.s is forbidden by council law. Coexistence is not possible. We judge that isolation is preferable.
Q: But we need Rannoch! It's our home!
G: Quarian-governor, we have assumed control of Quarian chemical weapons. You will do as we ask.
Q: But I can't... what do you want?
G: You will announce martial law. Spread the message: Every Quarian is asked to attack every Geth at sight.
Q: We wouldn't survive the answer! We have civillians, children, old people, sick people! Please, at least give us time to evacuate!
G: We judge it too dangerous to leave the Quarians in a position to counterattack. You can try to evacuate later.
Q: Too many would not make it... I can't do this.
G: Calculating... estimated Quarian casualties after initial chemical strike: 2.3 billion.
Q: What are you offering?
G: Time. We will postpone use of chemical weapons until later.
Q: But this is our home! What if the people won't abandon Rannoch? What if they choose to fight?
G: We will not wait any longer.
Q: I have no choice...

*martial law is declared*

Q: Can we... leave now? We need to prepare evacuation.
G: We will not allow this to be known. This building has been seeled. Communications are now offline. Release of toxic gas commencing.



See, conspiracy theories are a fine thing, aren't they?

[Steelcan]

@Argolas, dont stoop to their level

[Argolas]

Auld Wulf wrote...
more of the usual.

Actually, I am saying that both the Geth and the Quarians are to blame. You are saying that it was all an evil Quarian conspiracy and the Geth are innocent victims. Who is the one who thinks black and white?

[Argolas]

Steelcan wrote...

@Argolas, dont stoop to their level

The whole reason I hang out on BSN that much is boredom at work. Might as well.

[Steelcan]

Argolas wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@Argolas, dont stoop to their level

The whole reason I hang out on BSN that much is boredom at work. Might as well.

 fair enough, have at it.

[spirosz]

Auld Wulf wrote...
To his mind, the Geth are like the Zerg, they're a trained force of evil robots who swooped in to kill the good widdle Quairans. Yet where did they get this training from, or these weapons? Those are two major problems that the black & white world of Argolas actually doesn't answer. What this tells me is that there is nuance to this story that people like him don't actually understand. Nuance is good, it implies mystery and intellect is drawn to mystery.

The Geth were built to serve -- they were not built as evil robots. The Geth Consensus shows that the first Geth to pick up a gun was one to do it as an act of compassion for their own kind. The Quarian military was killing Geth left and right, and they were about to take down a bunch of agricultural units who had little more than animal intelligence. For a Geth, that would be like shooting a dog, I guess. So the Geth witnessing this was spurred into action -- it didn't really understand the consequences of what it was doing as it was still just waking up, with so many questions and few valid answers. But it was spurred into action by the horrors it was witnessing.

The Black & White World of Argolas states: The Geth are evil machines, with military trainings and weapons to boot. This evil armada used this knowledge to cleverly eradicate the Quarians.

The Lore of the Game states: The Geth were built as servant units with no military training. The Quarian military obviously had training (we see this in the Geth consensus). So how could the Quarian military have lost to the Geth?

Logical conclusion? The black & white perception of Rannoch must be wrong. There are nuances which aren't covered by this black & white perception, by this Saturday morning cartoon outlook. The Geth aren't an army of evil machines -- this isn't Transformers and the Geth aren't the Decepticons. The Geth were servants, and servants with nexgt to no armour. They wouldn't have had shields back then, either. So how did these vulnerable, untrained robots actually manage to chase a military force off of Rannoch.

Logical conclusion, once again? They had help. The Quarian civilians stood with the Geth against the Quarian military. This backs up my view that What Happened on Rannoch was a very nuanced affair, and that there was likely a civil war brewing between the Quarian civilians and their potentially despotic militaristic leaders all ready. The Geth were just something that the Quarian civilians could rally around. "Protect the Geth! They did no wrong! Why should the Geth die?" The Quarian civilians likely had more training in warfare and I suspect they most commonly used guerilla tactics versus military might.

The Geth observed what the Quarian civilians were doing, and the Geth were trained by Quarian civilians in the art of self defence. The Quarian civilians held out as long as they could, but when biological weapon bombardment began, the Geth were left on their own, and they had to put what they'd gained to use.

The long and short of it: My nuanced understanding of What Happened on Rannoch fits more with the evidence we have and have seen than the black & white position that Argolas had. If things really were so black & white, then there are too many questions. Again, like how the unarmoured Geth survived, where they got their weapons, who trained them, and so on.

A logical mind is capable of coming to these conclusions. This is where logic leads. When you eliminate all other possibilities, whatever remains, regardless of how strange, must be the truth. Deductive reasoning. The Geth could not have done this alone.

Hey, I agree with Wulf on a topic. Going to be a weird day today, haha.

I do believe that there was a cival war brewing between the Quarians, but I do not see them going to the extremes you mentioned, in terms of wiping out their own in such a matter, especially on how their so family oriented on the flotilla, it doesn't fit with how I perceive them personally. Do I agree with the Geth being the "fall guys" in a sort? Yes, but regardless of how much intelligence the Geth had, they did take it to the extreme, just as the Quarians did.  They are both to blame.  

Modifié par spirosz, 04 mai 2013 - 03:03 .

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

"Any ships that ventured into geth space were immediately attacked and
destroyed. While they prevented any contact by other races with
themselves, the geth monitored communications and the extranet."
That is straight from the wiki. This means they just shot anyone entering their space  without even considering whether they are armed. This also shows that organics had no reason to think Geth are non-hostile(because they are hostile and they didn't even allow organics to communicate with them) and gave the Quarians no other option but war to retake their worlds which the Geth were holding for no good reason. Then they joined the Reapers when the Quarians finally decided to take back their world. I don't see how any of this can make them the "good guys."

Just like the Terminus (I believe) Systems are run by pirates. Yes, th eGeth killed anyone entering "their" area of space but they also never moved out of the Veil until the Heretics. By logical assumption this comes across as wanting to be left alone.

The Geth joined with the Reapers in ME3 to save their species. Just like people are more likely to use WMDs when they feel like all other options have been taken away or any other extreme act when they feel they've been backed in a corner.

The Geth are not "good guys" and neither are the Quarians. There are no "good guys" once the war began.

[Morlath]

Steelcan wrote...

well if we are discounting the war, what do they deserve extincyion for? I can say the geth deserve death for allying with the reapers, twice.

See my post above.

The Heretics are the Geth version of Cerberus, does this condemn the entire human race? The second time was out of desperation.

The Geth didn't deserve to be exterminated just for being sentient, the Quarians didn't deserve to be driven to almost extinction because of what a (seemingly) few decided was the best course of action when it came to the Geth.

[Argolas]

Morlath wrote...


The Geth didn't deserve to be exterminated just for being sentient, the Quarians didn't deserve to be driven to almost extinction because of what a (seemingly) few decided was the best course of action when it came to the Geth.

Exactly. Both sides were wrong.

[Whybother]

Morlath wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

well if we are discounting the war, what do they deserve extincyion for? I can say the geth deserve death for allying with the reapers, twice.

See my post above.

The Heretics are the Geth version of Cerberus, does this condemn the entire human race? The second time was out of desperation.

The Geth didn't deserve to be exterminated just for being sentient, the Quarians didn't deserve to be driven to almost extinction because of what a (seemingly) few decided was the best course of action when it came to the Geth.

The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. That would have been a huge olive branch to the Quarians. We know for a fact that the Quarians want a planet to live on, instead of living in suits, on ships, and being treated like crap by everyone just to survive.

The more militaristic Quarians (Han'gerrel) want Rannoch back.  The pacifists (Zaal'koris) want some planet. In other words, all Quarians want a planet to live on. If the Geth return Rannoch to the Quarians, I honestly can't see the more militaristic Quarians having any say in any efforts to continue combatting the Geth.

The Geth know that the Quarians want their homeworld back and that is why they keep attacking. (Remember they monitor transmissions of organics.) They know that the Quarians have been completely unable to find another homeworld. If the Geth are logical rather than emotional, there is one course of action that leads to peace.

Modifié par Whybother, 04 mai 2013 - 03:21 .

[Steelcan]

Morlath wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

well if we are discounting the war, what do they deserve extincyion for? I can say the geth deserve death for allying with the reapers, twice.

See my post above.

The Heretics are the Geth version of Cerberus, does this condemn the entire human race? The second time was out of desperation.

The Geth didn't deserve to be exterminated just for being sentient, the Quarians didn't deserve to be driven to almost extinction because of what a (seemingly) few decided was the best course of action when it came to the Geth.

.  look at my avi and ask yourself if you think i disagree with Cerberus.

[spirosz]

Whybother wrote...
The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. 

The Quarians had an important choice of not attacking the Geth before any of this.  

[justafan]

All I'm going to say regarding old Auldy is that while it is likely that there was at first some significant opposition to the treatment of Geth, all we know is that the views of these people were eventually outnumbered within a year. In times of war or conflict public opinion can change rather dramatically compared to peacetime.

In the US for example, opinions of radicalism and response to such in the middle east changed pretty dramatically in a single day. In all likelyhood, before there were casualties, people probably weren't too concerned with the Geth and sympathized, once Geth resistance started, you can bet as the casualties mounted, support for the Geth died rather quickly, and thus, the cooperative Quarians were "outnumbered" by converts. A single chemical weapon attack would be enough to kill all support. Remember, it is stated by both Geth and Quarians that the Quarians did not use WMDs during the war, so the chemical attacks must have come from the Geth.

Also, I am fairly certain that it has been stated the Geth were used in a military capacity before the Morning War. They were multipurposed, and while initially used for manual labor, they were adopted for military purposes.

Edit:  "They were created 300 years ago by the Quarians as tools of labor and War" ME Codex on Geth, courtesy of Argolas.  So yes, the Geth had plenty of military capacity before hostilities broke out.

Modifié par justafan, 04 mai 2013 - 03:30 .

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

"Any ships that ventured into geth space were immediately attacked and
destroyed. While they prevented any contact by other races with
themselves, the geth monitored communications and the extranet."
That is straight from the wiki. This means they just shot anyone entering their space  without even considering whether they are armed. This also shows that organics had no reason to think Geth are non-hostile(because they are hostile and they didn't even allow organics to communicate with them) and gave the Quarians no other option but war to retake their worlds which the Geth were holding for no good reason. Then they joined the Reapers when the Quarians finally decided to take back their world. I don't see how any of this can make them the "good guys."

Just like the Terminus (I believe) Systems are run by pirates. Yes, th eGeth killed anyone entering "their" area of space but they also never moved out of the Veil until the Heretics. By logical assumption this comes across as wanting to be left alone.

The Geth joined with the Reapers in ME3 to save their species. Just like people are more likely to use WMDs when they feel like all other options have been taken away or any other extreme act when they feel they've been backed in a corner.

The Geth are not "good guys" and neither are the Quarians. There are no "good guys" once the war began.

First of all I don't think Terminus pirates destroy any ship entering. Also do you think those pirates are worth saving?

If the Geth really want to be left alone, they should have left Rannoch centuries ago. If they are not stupid, they should know Quarians will return to retake their world or even provided some condition for the Quarians to retake it peacefully( they didn't need the planet anyway). They didn't. If they atleast tried to communicate they don't want trouble, the war for Rannoch could have been avoided. So you tell me what the Geth did to show Geth are non-hostile and what proof you have to believe they are non-hostile other than believing everything Legion tell you.
Then there is siding with Reapers. They sided with Reapers knowing that they will loose free will (Legion tells you this). And they know what the Reapers are doing to everyone. So that means they are willing to screw the whole galaxy survive for a little bit longer even as slaves rather than fight for their survival like they could have.

I have a thread discussing more about this. Read the OP if you like.

Also I never once clamed Quarian as good guys. I accept they are at fault for starting the MW but not much else.

And btw, ME3 ruined Legions character for me. Legion was my 3rd favorite squad mate. It was all about making their own future and how they are against Heretics for siding with Reapers. Now it's like they are all Heretics. I am not sure if Geth are evil or just retard...

Frankly I don't think Geth are worth picking an ending other than Destroy to save them or allowing Reaper tech to be uploaded or even yelling at the Quarians to stop firing. The only reason I made peace was to use them in the Reaper war and have no regrets about killing them in Destroy.

[S.A.K]

spirosz wrote...

Whybother wrote...
The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. 

The Quarians had an important choice of not attacking the Geth before any of this.  

Did the Geth provide any other way to retake their planet?
Geth didn't even need Rannoch but just kept it and destroyed any ship tring to reach it. I don't blame the Quarians for attacking at that point. Infact I hope that Dyson Sphere thing was full of those Geth idiots.

[Khelish]

I love the headcanon Wulfie uses to back up his hatred for the quarians. I actually find it quite interesting someone could delude themselves into believing such nonsense.

[Morlath]

Whybother wrote...

The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. That would have been a huge olive branch to the Quarians. We know for a fact that the Quarians want a planet to live on, instead of living in suits, on ships, and being treated like crap by everyone just to survive.

The more militaristic Quarians (Han'gerrel) want Rannoch back.  The pacifists (Zaal'koris) want some planet. In other words, all Quarians want a planet to live on. If the Geth return Rannoch to the Quarians, I honestly can't see the more militaristic Quarians having any say in any efforts to continue combatting the Geth.

The Geth know that the Quarians want their homeworld back and that is why they keep attacking. (Remember they monitor transmissions of organics.) They know that the Quarians have been completely unable to find another homeworld. If the Geth are logical rather than emotional, there is one course of action that leads to peace.

And I ask you, how does any of this relate to whether the Quarians were right in wanting to kill a new sentient species in the beginning?

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

First of all I don't think Terminus pirates destroy any ship entering. Also do you think those pirates are worth saving?

If the Geth really want to be left alone, they should have left Rannoch centuries ago. If they are not stupid, they should know Quarians will return to retake their world or even provided some condition for the Quarians to retake it peacefully( they didn't need the planet anyway). They didn't. If they atleast tried to communicate they don't want trouble, the war for Rannoch could have been avoided. So you tell me what the Geth did to show Geth are non-hostile and what proof you have to believe they are non-hostile other than believing everything Legion tell you.
Then there is siding with Reapers. They sided with Reapers knowing that they will loose free will (Legion tells you this). And they know what the Reapers are doing to everyone. So that means they are willing to screw the whole galaxy survive for a little bit longer even as slaves rather than fight for their survival like they could have.

I have a thread discussing more about this. Read the OP if you like.

Also I never once clamed Quarian as good guys. I accept they are at fault for starting the MW but not much else.

And btw, ME3 ruined Legions character for me. Legion was my 3rd favorite squad mate. It was all about making their own future and how they are against Heretics for siding with Reapers. Now it's like they are all Heretics. I am not sure if Geth are evil or just retard...

Frankly I don't think Geth are worth picking an ending other than Destroy to save them or allowing Reaper tech to be uploaded or even yelling at the Quarians to stop firing. The only reason I made peace was to use them in the Reaper war and have no regrets about killing them in Destroy.

I'll be jumping into that thread soon enough.

It seems people are more interested in arguing the faults of the Geth/Quarians rather than following the original question about the validity of the war itself. If I'm going to be arguing for/defending the Geth post the start of the MW then I'd rather do it in that thread instead of this one.

[spirosz]

S.A.K wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Whybother wrote...
The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. 

The Quarians had an important choice of not attacking the Geth before any of this.  

Did the Geth provide any other way to retake their planet?
Geth didn't even need Rannoch but just kept it and destroyed any ship tring to reach it. I don't blame the Quarians for attacking at that point. Infact I hope that Dyson Sphere thing was full of those Geth idiots.

I'm talking about before the Morning War. 

[S.A.K]

spirosz wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Whybother wrote...
The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. 

The Quarians had an important choice of not attacking the Geth before any of this.  

Did the Geth provide any other way to retake their planet?
Geth didn't even need Rannoch but just kept it and destroyed any ship tring to reach it. I don't blame the Quarians for attacking at that point. Infact I hope that Dyson Sphere thing was full of those Geth idiots.

I'm talking about before the Morning War. 

Ah ok. But this is after that happened. Othervise this thread wouldn't exist.

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

First of all I don't think Terminus pirates destroy any ship entering. Also do you think those pirates are worth saving?

If the Geth really want to be left alone, they should have left Rannoch centuries ago. If they are not stupid, they should know Quarians will return to retake their world or even provided some condition for the Quarians to retake it peacefully( they didn't need the planet anyway). They didn't. If they atleast tried to communicate they don't want trouble, the war for Rannoch could have been avoided. So you tell me what the Geth did to show Geth are non-hostile and what proof you have to believe they are non-hostile other than believing everything Legion tell you.
Then there is siding with Reapers. They sided with Reapers knowing that they will loose free will (Legion tells you this). And they know what the Reapers are doing to everyone. So that means they are willing to screw the whole galaxy survive for a little bit longer even as slaves rather than fight for their survival like they could have.

I have a thread discussing more about this. Read the OP if you like.

Also I never once clamed Quarian as good guys. I accept they are at fault for starting the MW but not much else.

And btw, ME3 ruined Legions character for me. Legion was my 3rd favorite squad mate. It was all about making their own future and how they are against Heretics for siding with Reapers. Now it's like they are all Heretics. I am not sure if Geth are evil or just retard...

Frankly I don't think Geth are worth picking an ending other than Destroy to save them or allowing Reaper tech to be uploaded or even yelling at the Quarians to stop firing. The only reason I made peace was to use them in the Reaper war and have no regrets about killing them in Destroy.

I'll be jumping into that thread soon enough.

It seems people are more interested in arguing the faults of the Geth/Quarians rather than following the original question about the validity of the war itself. If I'm going to be arguing for/defending the Geth post the start of the MW then I'd rather do it in that thread instead of this one.

Yeah sure. But keep in mind what I said in that last post.

Btw, you don't have to defend the Geth if you see they are at fault. This is not a court  and it's fine to accept something.

[billy the squid]

S.A.K wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Whybother wrote...
The Geth had a lot of choices well before the Quarians attacked them in ME3: leave Rannoch. 

The Quarians had an important choice of not attacking the Geth before any of this.  

Did the Geth provide any other way to retake their planet?
Geth didn't even need Rannoch but just kept it and destroyed any ship tring to reach it. I don't blame the Quarians for attacking at that point. Infact I hope that Dyson Sphere thing was full of those Geth idiots.

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Yeah sure. But keep in mind what I said in that last post.

Btw, you don't have to defend the Geth if you see they are at fault. This is not a court  and it's fine to accept something.

I don't see the Geth as being innocents in any of it but every single one of their actions has a logical (and emotional) base that any other species would have, at the very least, considered.

However it comes across as many people wanting to hold the Geth up to higher standards than any other species just for the fact that they're Geth.