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[Falaxe]

I don`t think that geth had "moral agent" during morning war. They are robots?

Modifié par Falaxe, 04 mai 2013 - 04:20 .

[S.A.K]

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

Modifié par S.A.K, 04 mai 2013 - 04:19 .

[Whybother]

billy the squid wrote...
Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

I'd argue the Quarians needed Rannoch a lot more than the Geth did.  Their population is stagnant due to having limited foodstocks, they require suits to live, etc. AIs can live anywhere; recall the Heretic population occupying a single space station. True Geth would require more space, but again there are a bunch of Dark Nebulas if they really need to hide, and the Council won't go after them just like they didn't go after any Geth unless attacked.

Yes, maybe the Quarians will want some kind of revenge even after taking Rannoch back, but there won't be nearly the will to do so.

I've always gotten the sense that the only reason the Quarians want to kill the Geth is because they occupy Rannoch. That's what Han'garrel - the most militaristic of the Admirals - keeps talking about. Raan - another fleet Admiral - talks about that too. Zaal'koris has no desire to fight Geth anyway and just wants a homeworld which he now has, and the bulk of the civilian population feels exactly the same way. I can't see Tali wanting to continue fighting Geth. So now you have at least four out of five happy Admirals. Problem solved.

[billy the squid]

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

And they had to why? Because the Quarians attacked them. Aggressive bloodthirsty Quarians all over again. 

They deny their existence as a sentient species, so the Geth have little reason to ever contact them, they gained all they needed to know. Either they're met with outright hostility or on a larger front, there is the denial that they are alive, whether they were alive or not before is irrelevant. They are now. The geth are logical in their conclusion, based on what they experienced and what they see in Citadel space. The Organic species make themselves look like xenophobic oppressors. Funnily enough the Geth react violently to that sort of intrusion in their space.

So? They lost their home systems, why would the Geth ever allow an aggressive, irrational and violent prejudiced species into their home system. They had 300 years to find a new colony they didn't. The Geth are just supposed to let the Quarians, the sepecies that tried to wipe them out camp in their backyard? The Geth still think like machines, logically, for the most part, and that's utterly insane, even by organic standards.

Modifié par billy the squid, 04 mai 2013 - 04:49 .

[S.A.K]

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

And they had to why? Because the Quarians attacked them. Aggressive bloodthirsty Quarians all over again. 

They deny their existence as a sentient species, so the Geth have little reason to ever contact them, they gained all they needed to know. Either they're met with outright hostility or on a larger front, there is the denial that they are alive, whether they were alive or not before is irrelevant. They are now. The geth are logical in their conclusion, based on what they experienced and what they see in Citadel space. The Organic species make themselves look like xenophobic oppressors. Funnily enough the Geth react violently to that sort of intrusion in their space.

So? The lost their home systems, why would the Geth ever allow an aggressive, irrational and violent prejudiced species into their home system. They had 300 years to find a new colony they didn't. The Geth are just supposed to let the Quarians, the sepecies that tried to wipe them out camp in their backyard? The Geth still think like machines, logically, for the most part, and that's utterly insane, even by organic standards.

Er, did you read what I said?

[billy the squid]

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

And they had to why? Because the Quarians attacked them. Aggressive bloodthirsty Quarians all over again. 

They deny their existence as a sentient species, so the Geth have little reason to ever contact them, they gained all they needed to know. Either they're met with outright hostility or on a larger front, there is the denial that they are alive, whether they were alive or not before is irrelevant. They are now. The geth are logical in their conclusion, based on what they experienced and what they see in Citadel space. The Organic species make themselves look like xenophobic oppressors. Funnily enough the Geth react violently to that sort of intrusion in their space.

So? The lost their home systems, why would the Geth ever allow an aggressive, irrational and violent prejudiced species into their home system. They had 300 years to find a new colony they didn't. The Geth are just supposed to let the Quarians, the species that tried to wipe them out camp in their backyard? The Geth still think like machines, logically, for the most part, and that's utterly insane, even by organic standards.

Er, did you read what I said?

Er did you read what I said? Your points were nonsensical.

Modifié par billy the squid, 04 mai 2013 - 04:51 .

[Steelcan]

Morlath wrote...

I don't see the Geth as being innocents in any of it but every single one of their actions has a logical (and emotional) base that any other species would have, at the very least, considered.

However it comes across as many people wanting to hold the Geth up to higher standards than any other species just for the fact that they're Geth.

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I hold them to the same standards as organics.  They went way overkill on the quarians, murdering billions, they then violently isolated themselves and did nothing to dispel their aura of fear and brutality, they then let the heretics leave and attack organics and did nothing to stop them, they only got involved because the heretics turned on them, then they allied with the Reapers after cutting off communication between Legion and Tali. They show no remorse for killing the quarians and have no issues with the new war. Yet despite that people defend them.

The quarians acted within Council laws regarding AI's and are vilified through put the galaxy as thieves and vagrants.
When the Reapers show up, they need a world to offload civilians so they can help fight the war, Rannoch is really the only candidate.  And despite all this, there is still opposition to the war, but the Reaper situation forces their hand.  And you people want to kill them all.

[remydat]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

^^^^ This...

Like Tali was telling us the change was so gradual no one even noticed until all of a sudden the Geth were refusing commands. We saw one example in the Consensus where one was refusing its shutdown command. Apparently shutdown commands were routine, like we shut down our computers when we're not using them.

Uh oh, this is scary. Opti and I agree on something. Now Remy and I agree on something.

And then on Luna station, with that "VI" the Alliance was experimenting with some advanced VI tech and accidently created an AI, and still we don't know the full story. I would "speculate" Hackett didn't tell us the full story. The Luna VI started questioning commands, and when they tried to shut it down it panicked and killed everyone in the station. Then Shepard went in and shut it down by severing the power conduits.

Oh I am sure we agree on a lot of things.  The issue here is fear is not a justification for being stupid and trying to commit mass murder.  The Quarians and humans if we did so have every right to fear the AI.  However, they don't have the right to just kill it when it has not attacked anyone or shown any indication it will.  That is the issue for me.

Finn the Jakey wrote...

It is not Genocide if the enemy keeps coming and you are forced to keep killing them. We have no proof the Quarians stopped attacking and the Geth continued.

It does say this nor does it say the Geth went door to door putting bullets in babies heads.  That is the point.  We don't know but people want to naturally conclude that the Quarians stopped attacking.  As I said, I suspect so many Quarians died because the Geth used chemical weapons which is why 300 years later they are still cleaning up the toxins from those weapons.  Pretty nasty business but the issue again for me is why would they not use them?  There is no evidence the Quarians taught them morality or the rules of war so if an enemy attacks and you have a means to stop them effecitvely, you logically use it.

[Ledgend1221]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

And they had to why? Because the Quarians attacked them. Aggressive bloodthirsty Quarians all over again. 

They deny their existence as a sentient species, so the Geth have little reason to ever contact them, they gained all they needed to know. Either they're met with outright hostility or on a larger front, there is the denial that they are alive, whether they were alive or not before is irrelevant. They are now. The geth are logical in their conclusion, based on what they experienced and what they see in Citadel space. The Organic species make themselves look like xenophobic oppressors. Funnily enough the Geth react violently to that sort of intrusion in their space.

So? They lost their home systems, why would the Geth ever allow an aggressive, irrational and violent prejudiced species into their home system. They had 300 years to find a new colony they didn't. The Geth are just supposed to let the Quarians, the sepecies that tried to wipe them out camp in their backyard? The Geth still think like machines, logically, for the most part, and that's utterly insane, even by organic standards.

Why exactly shouldn't the Quarians hate and want to kill the Geth?

Why shouldn't the Geth want to kill the Quarians?

[billy the squid]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

And they had to why? Because the Quarians attacked them. Aggressive bloodthirsty Quarians all over again. 

They deny their existence as a sentient species, so the Geth have little reason to ever contact them, they gained all they needed to know. Either they're met with outright hostility or on a larger front, there is the denial that they are alive, whether they were alive or not before is irrelevant. They are now. The geth are logical in their conclusion, based on what they experienced and what they see in Citadel space. The Organic species make themselves look like xenophobic oppressors. Funnily enough the Geth react violently to that sort of intrusion in their space.

So? They lost their home systems, why would the Geth ever allow an aggressive, irrational and violent prejudiced species into their home system. They had 300 years to find a new colony they didn't. The Geth are just supposed to let the Quarians, the sepecies that tried to wipe them out camp in their backyard? The Geth still think like machines, logically, for the most part, and that's utterly insane, even by organic standards.

Why exactly shouldn't the Quarians hate and want to kill the Geth?

I didn't say they shouldn't. They should have realised by this point that expecting the Geth to just give up and let them back into the Geth's home systems is stupid though, after they tried to wipe them out in the first place. 

[billy the squid]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Why shouldn't the Geth want to kill the Quarians?

Except they don't, Legion tells you this.

And he also says they don't trust the creators. And he's proved exactly right, the Quarians species aggressive irrational drive them to attack the Geth. The Geth, react accordingly once they are threatened, again. 

[Steelcan]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

 @Auld Wulf

ME Wiki:
"The Geth were created by the Quarians, as laborers and tools of war"

. Auld Wolf defies all rules f logic and reason, don't try to be logical or reasonable back, hell just make up stuff.

[S.A.K]

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Why would they do that?

Quarians attempt to exterminate Geth, the Geth fight back and drive the Quarians away. Then sit behind the Veil and kill anyone who enters. Almost point for point isolationist policy to me. The Geth's sole experience of organic species has been one that tried to wipe them out, and if they moniter the citadel races, they know that the existence of AI is outlawed, meaning they are denied any rights, or even existence.

Sounds like a fairly logical approach when the Geth kill anyone considering all organic species stance is to either exterminate them on sight or deny their existence as sentient species. 

The Quarians didn't need Rannoch either, they chose to try and re take it, after 300 years of flying about, when they could of established a new colony. I'm fine with the Geth wiping out the Quarians finally, the Quarians proved to be aggressive and violent. more so than the Geth. 

For starters if they did, they wouldn't have to side with the Reapers to save themselves.

The Geth were studying organics according to Legion and they were monitoring the extranet. So they would know organics are not all about killing synthetics if they weren't stupid. They didn't even try to communicate to show they are peaceful. So the Geth were just prejudice at all organics. They made themselves look completely evil and bloodthirsty in the process.

And saying Quarians don't need Rannoch is silly. Their numbers are stuck at 17million, they are stuck in those suits and losing just one live ship means they are screwed. So they need Rannoch and it's the only planet they can adapt their systems within one life time.

And they had to why? Because the Quarians attacked them. Aggressive bloodthirsty Quarians all over again. 

They deny their existence as a sentient species, so the Geth have little reason to ever contact them, they gained all they needed to know. Either they're met with outright hostility or on a larger front, there is the denial that they are alive, whether they were alive or not before is irrelevant. They are now. The geth are logical in their conclusion, based on what they experienced and what they see in Citadel space. The Organic species make themselves look like xenophobic oppressors. Funnily enough the Geth react violently to that sort of intrusion in their space.

So? They lost their home systems, why would the Geth ever allow an aggressive, irrational and violent prejudiced species into their home system. They had 300 years to find a new colony they didn't. The Geth are just supposed to let the Quarians, the sepecies that tried to wipe them out camp in their backyard? The Geth still think like machines, logically, for the most part, and that's utterly insane, even by organic standards.

If you read the whole thing you wouldn't be asking this as I already explained in the last paragraph. Even if Quarians colonized another planet, it would take like 600 years for them to adapt to that environment as explain in the game. So yes, Quarians need their world back and Geth haven't provided any other mean of doing so other than war.

If they think that after studying organics, they are simply stupid. And if they are logical they should know that they have done nothing to look themselves peaceful.

Quarians acted in the way any organic would. And siding with Reapers at the expence of their free knowing it is retard even by Geth standards. That also shows Geth are willing to screw the whole galaxy to survive even at that low state. I find that completely unfogivable and it's a main reason for me to destroy the Geth in the end.

[Steelcan]

billy the squid wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Why shouldn't the Geth want to kill the Quarians?

Except they don't, Legion tells you this.

And he also says they don't trust the creators. And he's proved exactly right, the Quarians species aggressive irrational drive them to attack the Geth. The Geth, react accordingly once they are threatened, again. 

. How is it irrational?  At all?

[S.A.K]

billy the squid wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Why shouldn't the Geth want to kill the Quarians?

Except they don't, Legion tells you this.

And he also says they don't trust the creators. And he's proved exactly right, the Quarians species aggressive irrational drive them to attack the Geth. The Geth, react accordingly once they are threatened, again. 

It is aggressive only because Geth have given them no choice. It's completely rational to take back their world. Geth were irrational in holding the Quarian worlds and not expecting Quarians to try and take them back. Geth logic don't seem to be working very well.

[JaceBelerin]

I'd say the Quarian's actions at the begining of the war were justified by council law. To say what they did was the morally correct thing is subjective.

Council law forbade the creation of AI, so Quarians made "almost' AI. Had the Council been present, or known about the Geth at the point where they gained self awareness, I would assume they would react in the same way the Quarians did.

So again, to say "Is it justified?" Yes. "Is it morally right?" Depends on your definition of life.

Modifié par JaceBelerin, 04 mai 2013 - 05:47 .

[Ledgend1221]

S.A.K wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...
Why shouldn't the Geth want to kill the Quarians?

Except they don't, Legion tells you this.

And he also says they don't trust the creators. And he's proved exactly right, the Quarians species aggressive irrational drive them to attack the Geth. The Geth, react accordingly once they are threatened, again. 

It is aggressive only because Geth have given them no choice. It's completely rational to take back their world. Geth were irrational in holding the Quarian worlds and not expecting Quarians to try and take them back. Geth logic don't seem to be working very well.

It's not logic, it's emotion.

Why would you try and reclaim a hostile world when you can easily settle a new one? That's logical.
The quarians have an emotional attachment to Rannoch. How the hell can the Geth be expected to understand that?

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

"Any ships that ventured into geth space were immediately attacked and
destroyed. While they prevented any contact by other races with
themselves, the geth monitored communications and the extranet."
That is straight from the wiki. This means they just shot anyone entering their space  without even considering whether they are armed. This also shows that organics had no reason to think Geth are non-hostile(because they are hostile and they didn't even allow organics to communicate with them) and gave the Quarians no other option but war to retake their worlds which the Geth were holding for no good reason. Then they joined the Reapers when the Quarians finally decided to take back their world. I don't see how any of this can make them the "good guys."

Go fly over any country in an enemy ship and see if they stop and talk to you.  Do you think during WWII, a German plane claiming peace and flying over Britain is going to be listened too?

This is silly SAK.  Organics say they should not exist, tried to exterminate them, and then exterminated an AI race on the Citadel shortly before these ships alleging they came in peace INVADED Geth space.  How stupid do you have to be to think you can just go flying around enemy space after just trying to destroy them?

[Auld Wulf]

Ultimately it still comes down to bad parenting.

I've nothing against the Quarians, I just don't think that they were good parents, and I think the Geth were generally used. Let's look at it this way, the Quarians...

* ...created the Geth as a servile race. [Military.]
* ...refused to acknowledge their growing sentience. [Military.]
* ...introduced them to murder, abuse, race hate, status hate, and violence. [Military/Civilians.]
* ...trained them to use guns, shields, and guerilla combat tactics. [Civilians.]
* ...provided them with the tools for warfare. [Civilians.]
* ...shared very poisonous life lessons about killing anyone you don't like. [Military/Civilians.]

Any kid with that kind of upbringing is going to be seriously screwed up. A good parent can actually recognise what the Quarians did wrong, there.

[Steelcan]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Ultimately it still comes down to bad parenting.

I've nothing against the Quarians, I just don't think that they were good parents, and I think the Geth were generally used. Let's look at it this way, the Quarians...

* ...created the Geth as a servile race. [Military.]
* ...refused to acknowledge their growing sentience. [Military.]
* ...introduced them to murder, abuse, race hate, status hate, and violence. [Military/Civilians.]
* ...trained them to use guns, shields, and guerilla combat tactics. [Civilians.]
* ...provided them with the tools for warfare. [Civilians.]
* ...shared very poisonous life lessons about killing anyone you don't like. [Military/Civilians.]

Any kid with that kind of upbringing is going to be seriously screwed up. A good parent can actually recognise what the Quarians did wrong, there.

. Except the geth don't have psychology or conditioning or anything similar.  They act on pure logic and reason because they are machines.  

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Ultimately it still comes down to bad parenting.

I've nothing against the Quarians, I just don't think that they were good parents, and I think the Geth were generally used. Let's look at it this way, the Quarians...

* ...created the Geth as a servile race. [Military.]
* ...refused to acknowledge their growing sentience. [Military.]
* ...introduced them to murder, abuse, race hate, status hate, and violence. [Military/Civilians.]
* ...trained them to use guns, shields, and guerilla combat tactics. [Civilians.]
* ...provided them with the tools for warfare. [Civilians.]
* ...shared very poisonous life lessons about killing anyone you don't like. [Military/Civilians.]

Any kid with that kind of upbringing is going to be seriously screwed up. A good parent can actually recognise what the Quarians did wrong, there.

. Except the geth don't have psychology or conditioning or anything similar.  They act on pure logic and reason because they are machines.  

Or in other words, they weren't children by any stretch of the imagination. 

And at least half of that list is either wrong, or simple conjecture.