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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

David7204 wrote...

Okay, that is just silly. Plenty of people throughout ME 2 mention that Shepard killed Sovereign. It's just shorthand.

Not silly. Shepard led the team that killed Sovereign. It is two different things.

[David7204]

As I said, it's shorthand. It would be slightly cumbersome to say 'you and your team' every time someone mentions Shepard's deeds. There's somewhat less emphasis on Shepard's role. It's certainly not a writing error, as you claim.

Modifié par David7204, 05 mai 2013 - 08:43 .

[silverexile17s]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Do you know what question is never answered?

Remy, you said that Legion said that the Geth see Shepard as different from other organics, yet the writers never bothered to mention why. This is a pure ass pull on the part of the writers.

* Shepard has done nothing different with any geth than other organics -- shot and killed every single one of them.

* Shepard captured Legion at the urging of (fill in the blank) squad mate on the derelict reaper.

* They only see Shepard as different IF Legion makes it back to the Consensus.

* But still why do they see Shepard as different? What about the rest of the crew?

___________________________________

The problem with the Rannoch situation is..

* Rannoch is the home world of the Quarians.
* Rannoch is the home world of the Geth, too.

You can't even divide the world. The land belongs to all of them. The all lived all over it. Both groups were wrong. The Quarians were wrong to try and deactivate all of them. The Geth were wrong in their systematic extermination. If you divide the world and say "This half belongs to the Geth. And this half belongs to the Quarians," it will end up like India and Pakistan fighting over Kashmir.

Damn, I hope we never create anything resembling the Geth here on Earth. We will end up in the same situation.

Actually, I replayed ME2, and learned that Legion actually does go and tell you right away why the geth are interested in Shepard.
You see, the reason they wanted Legion to find Shepard, is because the Commander killed Sovergein. Legion sais the fact that an organic conquered a "superior being" - a "God", is why they are interested in Shepard. The fact that one organic was able to bring about the death of a being that the Heretics worshiped as the future of the geth is what interests them. Shepard's actions single-handly re-kindled the geth's interest in organics after 300 of not caring about their fates. Although the exact thing that Legion stands to gain by finding and studying Shepard is unknown, although it can be speculated that the geth wanted Legion to "learn" the traits that Shepard used to overcome Sovergien, so that the geth could understand the aspect that allowed "lesser beings" to defeat a "God." Perhaps they, like the Catalyst, saw Shepard as the examplar of organics, and the perfect organic to learn from, since Shepard did what no other organic could do - kill a "God."

It's been a while.

Whoa. This shows the ME writing team was asleep at the wheel. That shows just a wee bit of an error right there. Shepard didn't kill Sovereign. Shepard enabled the Normandy and the other ships in the Allied fleet to take out Sovereign. And Saren Hopper was taken out by a team (Liara, Garrus and Shepard), not just Shepard.

All true. But according to Legion, the geth see Shepard as the one that brought this all about. Even when Sheaprd personally objects to this view and states that "there were lots of other organics that opposed Sovergien," Legion brushes them all off, stating that only Shepard alone was "the most successful." Apparently, the geth see Shepard as the one responcible for bringing about Sovergein's death, regardless of the how, why, and who. All the geth care about is that Shepard "killed their God." They don't seem to care about the help and/or support along the way, not even when Shepard himself/herself points out that the fight wasn't soley dependant on the Commander.

As evidenced by how Legion never once tried to contact any of Shepard's crew, and hunted exclusively for Shepard, it seems like the geth had a bit of a messiah complex in their ideal of Shepard - an organic whose "emotional responce" traits could overcome pure logic and "infalible" caluclatitory powers. The pinnical of what the geth were trying to comprehend - emotional responces, personified in a pure form that triumphed over a "God" of logic. They saw Shepard as the "key component." They pretty much disregarded anyone else as just a tool that aided Shepard's fight. And likely figured that if they could comprehend Shepard - the "pinnical" of organics - that they would have the key to comprehending all organics. Although what that gains them is unknown, since the geth's endgame motivations for Legion's study of Shepard are never actually revealed in-universe. So, while Legion makes it clear that he is here to "Study" Shepard, there is never any indication of what the geth plan to DO with the information Legion's observations yield. Perhaps they would have used Shepard's responces as a "stress test" to see if organics, like humans, could indeed be negotiated with. Or maybe to develop contingincy plans shoud organics ever try to invade the Perseus Veil themselves. There are a number of possiblilties the geth could have been planning on. None of which are ever confirmed.

So in short - yeah, the geth only care about Shepard. Anyone else is "insignifigant," which even Shepard personally comments on as being an extrimest view.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 05 mai 2013 - 08:49 .

[silverexile17s]

Alien Number Six wrote...

Maybe Bush was the Quarian military commander during the morning war. Lol

I think 9/11 was still fresh in their minds at the time. I sure as hell know it was fresh in mine.

...of course, I was only, what, 9, 10 years old when the bombings took place. So I don't think I had ALL the details. Only that we had been attacked, and my parents were pissed at how so many had died. My grandmother was practally spitting venom at the terrorists.
Looking back, I personally think the "nuclear weapons" thing was possible but not confirmed, and, that the reason it was acted on was to justify invading the middle east to get revenge for the Trade Center bombings. Although, if there was actuall proof, or that the possibility was extremely strong, it could be justified.

IDK. You fought in the war. WAS there any credible intel regarding nukes?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 05 mai 2013 - 08:56 .

[Morlath]

You know...this thread has had a lot of pro-Geth people admitting to the faults that the Geth have and almost no pro-Quarians doing the same. No real surprise things are going in circles.

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

You know...this thread has had a lot of pro-Geth people admitting to the faults that the Geth have and almost no pro-Quarians doing the same. No real surprise things are going in circles.

I don't see anyone admitting anything. Both sides are trying to justify their side.

[billy the squid]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Argolas wrote...

The Council won't interfere as long as the Geth stay out of Council space. The Quarians wouldn't risk their precious ships for a attack on a Geth station in the middle of nowhere.

The Quarians have a right for Rannoch since it's the only planet that could support them. The Quarians who lost it are all long dead. What right do the Geth have to claim it? The Geth could live anywhere. What does "home" mean to a synthetic that has no sentimental attachment?

The heretics could leave and build their station in peace. Neither the Quarians nor the council even noticed, and even if they had, they hadn't interfered because they don't start a war for no reason. The Quarians had reason: The reapers were coming. They desperately needed Rannoch and they needed it now. The migrant fleet consists of countless ships of which it is a miracle that they even hold together. A reaper attack on the migrant fleet would mean extermination.

EDIT: I laugh at your comparison. The Americans who took America away from the natives are all long dead. The Geth who took Rannoch away from the Quarians are still the same (although the Quarians who wronged the Geth are dead by now). Also, those Americans can't simply leave. The Geth could. Rannoch doesn't offer them anything they wouldn't have elsewhere, the Geth live on space stations anyway.

Again, You seem to be under the impression that because the Geth live in stations, which it's proved they don't exclusively due to the facilities they have on Rannoch, that they would let a Hostile species take up residence in the same system as them. Why would they ever do that? No organic species would. 

The Quarians have as much right to Rannoch as they do to Earth. None, they lost it when they lost the Morning War. The Geth claim the sytems as their own. Right of conquest, they defeated the quarians. The only way they're moving is by force, if they lose then whoever beats them takes the systems that's how it works. Home doesn't mean anything to a species which hasn't set foot in that region of space for 300 years either so what's your point?

The Quarians have had 300 years to get their act together, if the situation is so desperate with the coming of the Reapers petitioning the Council who is aware of the situation is clearly the better option than picking a fight with the Geth. 

They didn't start a war because they weren't aware of a single station. now you have billions of Geth moving out of the Veil, pushing into occupied systems and taking the resources they need from asteroids and planets, someone's going to start a war with them sooner or later.

So explain why the Geth should move again? Which doesn't contain the reasoning of, the Geth are mean and stole it, so they should give it back and leave because they don't need it. I'm still laughing at the failure to realise the gaping holes in logic by the way.

So this time the Quarians invent a weapon that disrupts the Geth and makes them vulnerable. The Quarians would have defeated them if not for the reaper. If the reaper hadn't shown up, the Quarians would have taken back their home world and been settled on Rannoch. Their military fleet would have been ready to fight the reapers.

That's the way it works. You said it yourself. Might makes right.

So say without the reaper being there, what happens. The Quarians win.

Apart from the contrived writing, yep. And the Reaper being there, so Geth win.

No reason the Quarians shouldn't try to take system where they lived back, apart from it being dumb to choose that point, of all the years of exile, that part's fine. What's stupid is expecting the Geth to simply pack up and leave without a fight. I'm not going to say it was wrong for the Quarians to plan for that, they can do what they want.

Yet it only shows the Quarians are utterly hostile, no negotiation, and simply aggresive incursions into Geth space, Legion says the Geth are open to the Quarians agreeing to a ceasefire and settling on other worlds, the Geth aren't going to chase them and exterminate them like the Quarians do. 

There's no reason why the Geth should ever leave, and enough options and time for the Quarians to have come to a solution, except they didn't, other than starting a fight. Which they can if they want. Although it proves they are as irrational and hostile as the Krogan and other species. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 05 mai 2013 - 10:51 .

[billy the squid]

Whybother wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
So explain why the Geth should move again? Which doesn't contain the reasoning of, the Geth are mean and stole it, so they should give it back and leave because they don't need it. I'm still laughing at the failure to realise the gaping holes in logic by the way.

If the Geth actually value peace - and some in this thread claim that the Geth are basically pacifists except for the mean ol' Quarians - then as logical creatures they'd do the logical thing.  There are millions of systems (including those far from any relay) where the Geth can build their Dyson Sphere and live an awesome existence without having to deal with organics for a long time, if ever.

And as I said before (and people ignored): the Geth have zero problem committing genocide when they are 'given life' by Legion.  Which means each of those Geth who now have free choice are freely choosing to shoot all the Quarians out of the sky.  They didn't just shoot down the Heavy/Patrol fleets and tell the Civilian Fleet "GTFO" (which Zaal'koris would have gladly done.)  They killed everyone, and the Quarians now have less viability than the Batarians.

And those are the new and improved Geth.

Yep, the species which has attempted to exterminate you for a second time, should be given the benefit of the doubt. Geth aren't pacifists, at all. They are sentient, but think like machines. The Quarians pose a threat, twice they've tried to kill their entire species. Destroyed the Geth's Dyson sphere, invaded their home systems. Perfectly logical to eliminate that threat. All Quarians are a threat, when the civilian repopulates eventually, they'll attempt to continue their war. Now, they are in no position to threaten the Geth as a species ever again.

[Alien Number Six]

The main thing the Quarians are guilty of is freaking out.

[AlexMBrennan]

They didn't just shoot down the Heavy/Patrol fleets and tell the Civilian Fleet "GTFO" (which Zaal'koris would have gladly done.)

The civilian fleet is armed and engaging geth forces. It's not gencocide if the quarians are determined to fight to the last man whilst using their "civilians" as human shields.

I think 9/11 was still fresh in their minds at the time. I sure as hell know it was fresh in mine. 

...of course, I was only, what, 9, 10 years old when the bombings took place. So I don't think I had ALL the details. Only that we had been attacked, and my parents were pissed at how so many had died. My grandmother was practally spitting venom at the terrorists. Looking back, I personally think the "nuclear weapons" thing was possible but not confirmed, and, that the reason it was acted on was to justify invading the middle east to get revenge for the Trade Center bombings. Although, if there was actuall proof, or that the possibility was extremely strong, it could be justified.
IDK. You fought in the war. WAS there any credible intel regarding nukes?

Ahem... 9/11 was a terrorist attack by Al-Quaeda orchestrated by Osama Bin Laden who was based in Afghanistan, leading to an invasion of the country for supporting terrorism. Iraq war was unrelated due to a perceived threat of WMDs.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 05 mai 2013 - 11:43 .

[Ravensword]

Steelcan wrote...

Somewhat OT, Im willing to bet we've put much more thought into the geth/Quarian war than BioWare's writers ever did,

Considering how the writers forgot some important aspects of the Geth-Quarian conflict established by Legion in ME2, I'd say yes.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

But the rest of the Geth pretty much did that.
Also the rest is not the situation. Shepard had to make a choice. Save Quarians or save Geth. And Legion knows damn well Shepard is critial to defeat the Reapers and it's more important than Geth or the Quarians. Btw, if Tali or Raan shot Legion there, you can't save your Geth at all.

If it was humans being slaughtered in the sky by an enemy that refuses to stop killing defenseless ships that are trying to flee then sorry I would do the same thing. 

Further when Legion is choking him, he is uploading the code.   There is no proof that once the upload is complete that Legion would not have let Shepard go.  Legion could have easily pulled out a gun and just put a bullet in Shep and Tali's head.  He probably has the power to just crush his neck there with on good squeeze considering he is lifting a man up with a single hand.  Either of those would have been the logical thing to do if his intent was to kill.  He does neither.  He is simply trying to upload the code by disabling Shep which again, I would do 100% if it was me.  Even Tali understands this which is why I love her. 

Tali - My people are celebrating.  It's all one perfect victory for them.  And all we had to do was murder an ally.  A friend.  I don't belong here.

It should also be noted that Legion dies for his attack.  Gherel blows up a dreadnaught with Shep on it.  Pretty sure the Reaper War was more important then too yet I recall people arguing that punching him was wrong, lol.

[remydat]

Also a consensus is in fact a democracy. It is the truest form of democracy one can have because everyone votes on every issue.

The consensus would be known as a direct democracy while the U.S. and most countries would be a representative democracy as people vote on representatives who then make decisions on their behalf. The main reason they do so is because we are not all connected like the Geth, so it would be completely inefficient and ineffective to have everybody vote on every decision given the cost involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives.

Modifié par remydat, 05 mai 2013 - 04:10 .

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

I don't see anyone admitting anything. Both sides are trying to justify their side.

Perhaps the below post will help jog your memory where I admit the Geth have committed crimes and I straight up say if the decision was between the Elcor and the Geth, I would choose the Elcor.  The problem is I am deciding between the Geth who have done some questionable things and the Quarians who have done questionable things that directly lead to the Geth's questionable deeds.  I think most Geth supporters are doing the same. 

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

1. And it is pretty hard when someone tries to exterminate you, says you should not exist, and has killed other synthetic species.  Both sides have reason not to trust the other.  Both sides.  I don't object to the Quarians not trusting the Geth.  I object to people accepting the Quarian mistrust of the Geth while acting like the Geth should trust ships invading Geth space simply because they claim they come in peace.

2. No, it does not excuse it.  It does mean though if I had to choose between them and the a**holes that forced them to have to make such a decision, I choose them.  If the choice was between the Geth and say the Elcor, I would choose the Elcor.  However, the choice is between the Geth who made a selfish decision because they were going to die TODAY and the Quarians who forced them to make that selfish decision when their death was not immediate.  There is no evidence the Reapers even care to attack them.

3. Shep has spent the entire game running errands in order to garner support.  She could have told Shep and he could have tried to broker peace just like he did with the Turians and Krogan.  He could have used his stealth ship to go behind the Veil and look for Legion.  It is no different a risk than he has done for other species the entire game.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

But the rest of the Geth pretty much did that.
Also the rest is not the situation. Shepard had to make a choice. Save Quarians or save Geth. And Legion knows damn well Shepard is critial to defeat the Reapers and it's more important than Geth or the Quarians. Btw, if Tali or Raan shot Legion there, you can't save your Geth at all.

If it was humans being slaughtered in the sky by an enemy that refuses to stop killing defenseless ships that are trying to flee then sorry I would do the same thing. 

Further when Legion is choking him, he is uploading the code.   There is no proof that once the upload is complete that Legion would not have let Shepard go.  Legion could have easily pulled out a gun and just put a bullet in Shep and Tali's head.  He probably has the power to just crush his neck there with on good squeeze considering he is lifting a man up with a single hand.  Either of those would have been the logical thing to do if his intent was to kill.  He does neither.  He is simply trying to upload the code by disabling Shep which again, I would do 100% if it was me.  Even Tali understands this which is why I love her. 

Tali - My people are celebrating.  It's all one perfect victory for them.  And all we had to do was murder an ally.  A friend.  I don't belong here.

It should also be noted that Legion dies for his attack.  Gherel blows up a dreadnaught with Shep on it.  Pretty sure the Reaper War was more important then too yet I recall people arguing that punching him was wrong, lol.

First one works both ways. And I won't deny Quarians did that as well as Geth.

I didn't see a gun on Legion in that cutscene. Shepard was losing consciousness so he was being strangled. Same could be said about side with Geth option. In reality Tali would have shot Legion on the spot if it didn't stand down and you couldn't save your precious Geth. It's mostly bad writing.

And what's wrong with celebrating? Quarians just got their world back. It's like every Quarians dream come true.

I didn't argue punching him was wrong.

[Mike 9987]

 The only justifications were 

1) they were scared that they would evetually be taken over by the AI. 

2) They were afraid the council will kick them off the citadel because they did something completely illegal.


Turns out the morning war resulted in both happening. 

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I don't see anyone admitting anything. Both sides are trying to justify their side.

Perhaps the below post will help jog your memory where I admit the Geth have committed crimes and I straight up say if the decision was between the Elcor and the Geth, I would choose the Elcor.  The problem is I am deciding between the Geth who have done some questionable things and the Quarians who have done questionable things that directly lead to the Geth's questionable deeds.  I think most Geth supporters are doing the same. 

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

1. And it is pretty hard when someone tries to exterminate you, says you should not exist, and has killed other synthetic species.  Both sides have reason not to trust the other.  Both sides.  I don't object to the Quarians not trusting the Geth.  I object to people accepting the Quarian mistrust of the Geth while acting like the Geth should trust ships invading Geth space simply because they claim they come in peace.

2. No, it does not excuse it.  It does mean though if I had to choose between them and the a**holes that forced them to have to make such a decision, I choose them.  If the choice was between the Geth and say the Elcor, I would choose the Elcor.  However, the choice is between the Geth who made a selfish decision because they were going to die TODAY and the Quarians who forced them to make that selfish decision when their death was not immediate.  There is no evidence the Reapers even care to attack them.

3. Shep has spent the entire game running errands in order to garner support.  She could have told Shep and he could have tried to broker peace just like he did with the Turians and Krogan.  He could have used his stealth ship to go behind the Veil and look for Legion.  It is no different a risk than he has done for other species the entire game.

That was a general post. I also admit Quarians faults but I said that to include the majority. I didn't specifically mention you there and I don't remember everything being posted here. I am no Geth.

[S.A.K]

Mike 9987 wrote...

 The only justifications were 

1) they were scared that they would evetually be taken over by the AI. 

2) They were afraid the council will kick them off the citadel because they did something completely illegal.


Turns out the morning war resulted in both happening. 

That prettymuch concludes the start of the MW. Quarians did the mother of all over-reactions.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

First one works both ways. And I won't deny Quarians did that as well as Geth.

I didn't see a gun on Legion in that cutscene. Shepard was losing consciousness so he was being strangled. Same could be said about side with Geth option. In reality Tali would have shot Legion on the spot if it didn't stand down and you couldn't save your precious Geth. It's mostly bad writing.

And what's wrong with celebrating? Quarians just got their world back. It's like every Quarians dream come true.

I didn't argue punching him was wrong.

Yes it does which is why I said BOTH sides. 

As for the cut scene, the dude has been fighting Geth behind the scenes the whole time.  Pretending he didn't have a gun is a stretch.  When he is a squad mate, I never see where he keeps his side arm but I know he was one.  You can choke someone and have them pass out without killing them.  If Legion wanted Shep dead, he has enough power in his arm to crush his neck immediately.

Tali has no backbone though.  That is her and most of the Admirals problem.  It is perfectly within her character not to attack until Shep is attacked.

I never said anything was wrong with celebrating.  I told you what Tali said.  You would have to ask her but I suspect she understands that some of her people are douchebags and that this war could have been avoided.  That is why even after she kills Legion, she responds to his question that yes he does have a soul and she calls him an ally and friend.  He spent the entire mission helping them save her people and her people refused to stop killing fleeing Geth.  Tali wouldn't be Tali if she didn't have mixed emotions over that.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

That was a general post. I also admit Quarians faults but I said that to include the majority. I didn't specifically mention you there and I don't remember everything being posted here. I am no Geth.

Yes I am used that post as an example because I think most of the people that have responded acknowledged the Geth are not blameless.  The issue is they happen to be compared to the group that in their opinions is more to blame.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

Yes it does which is why I said BOTH sides. 

As for the cut scene, the dude has been fighting Geth behind the scenes the whole time.  Pretending he didn't have a gun is a stretch.  When he is a squad mate, I never see where he keeps his side arm but I know he was one.  You can choke someone and have them pass out without killing them.  If Legion wanted Shep dead, he has enough power in his arm to crush his neck immediately.

Tali has no backbone though.  That is her and most of the Admirals problem.  It is perfectly within her character not to attack until Shep is attacked.

I never said anything was wrong with celebrating.  I told you what Tali said.  You would have to ask her but I suspect she understands that some of her people are douchebags and that this war could have been avoided.  That is why even after she kills Legion, she responds to his question that yes he does have a soul and she calls him an ally and friend.  He spent the entire mission helping them save her people and her people refused to stop killing fleeing Geth.  Tali wouldn't be Tali if she didn't have mixed emotions over that.

And your point is?

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

That was a general post. I also admit Quarians faults but I said that to include the majority. I didn't specifically mention you there and I don't remember everything being posted here. I am no Geth.

Yes I am used that post as an example because I think most of the people that have responded acknowledged the Geth are not blameless.  The issue is they happen to be compared to the group that in their opinions is more to blame.

Of course you say that. You support the Geth.

[remydat]

S.A.K

The point is as follows.

Both sides have committed questionable deeds but Geth supporters think the Quarians are almost always the the cause of the Geth's questionable deeds.  I am a Geth supporter because I hold the aggressors and instigators of the conflict more at fault.

Legion did what any sensible person would do when he they just finished helping save their enemy, their enemy thanks him by trying to exterminate his people while they are FLEEING, and Shep won't let him upload something that can save them.

Tali is a decent person which is why she has miixed emotions about saving her people by murdering a friend and ally who simply wanted his creators to acknowledge they have a soul and have a right to life like anyone else.

Modifié par remydat, 05 mai 2013 - 06:28 .

[Whybother]

billy the squid wrote...

Yep, the species which has attempted to exterminate you for a second time, should be given the benefit of the doubt. Geth aren't pacifists, at all. They are sentient, but think like machines. The Quarians pose a threat, twice they've tried to kill their entire species. Destroyed the Geth's Dyson sphere, invaded their home systems. Perfectly logical to eliminate that threat. All Quarians are a threat, when the civilian repopulates eventually, they'll attempt to continue their war. Now, they are in no position to threaten the Geth as a species ever again.

That is not a reason to commit genocide. Which is what you freely admit the Geth were trying to do.

The Quarians want their home system back. If the Geth left, they'd be happy. As it stands, their offer to a ceasefire is bunk because the Quarians have not been able to find any habitable worlds to live on, and as far as we know the Geth haven't offered any habitable worlds to them.

And... funny, the Geth *do* occupy a nice habitable world that is compatible with Quarian physiology. Too bad they didn't offer that in 300 years.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K

The point is as follows.

Both sides have committed questionable deeds but Geth supporters think the Quarians are almost always the the cause of the Geth's questionable deeds.  I am a Geth supporter because I hold the aggressors and instigators of the conflict more at fault.

Legion did what any sensible person would do when he they just finished helping save their enemy, their enemy thanks him by trying to exterminate his people while they are FLEEING, and Shep won't let him upload something that can save them.

Tali is a decent person which is why she has miixed emotions about saving her people by murdering a friend and ally who simply wanted his creators to acknowledge they have a soul and have a right to life like anyone else.

I am a Quarian supporter because Geth have sided with Reapers twice,Geth didn't allow any other alternetive for the Quarians other than war to reclame their home world and made an enemy out of all organic by simply refusing to communicate.

I can respect Legion for standing up for its people. But the Quarians didn't do anything wrong by continued fire. All Geth ships are armed and they could have just recovered and attacked later. Also I have no reason to trust the Reaper code which was controlling the Geth a few minutes ago. Also Legion wanted the code so the Geth can destroy the Quarians.

The Geth could have started by opening a comms channel with Quarians. They didn't.