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[Rawgrim]

Monica21 wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

It seems there are a lot of Skyrim haters in this forum.

I'm just a Morrowind lover, it's a real downgrade to go to Skyrim.

Oblivion was a huge downgrade in my opinion. Morrowind was the game that got me hooked on RPGs but Bioware is the company that keeps me playing them. 

Morrowind was great, allthough I wouldn`t say that game had a fantastic story either. Oblivion was a huge step back in pretty much everything, but Skyrim (not as good as morrowind) is miles better than Oblivion was.

[In Exile]

Rawgrim wrote...
Like the DA2 npcs standing around in the same spot in kirkwall for 7 years? Never aging or never changing their clothes?

At least Skyrim`s population actually walk around abit.

Umm... what? I said that I prefer games that don't bother dressing up their complete failure to mimic human AI. The obvious implication is that I think all games are various degrees of suck on this point. So, yes, DA2 had lawn ornaments as NPCs. Skyrim had worker ants. I loathe worker ants more than lawn ornaments, because at least I don't have to chase the lawn ornaments around for quests. 

YMMV, of course.

[Plaintiff]

In Exile wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Like the DA2 npcs standing around in the same spot in kirkwall for 7 years? Never aging or never changing their clothes?

At least Skyrim`s population actually walk around abit.

Umm... what? I said that I prefer games that don't bother dressing up their complete failure to mimic human AI. The obvious implication is that I think all games are various degrees of suck on this point. So, yes, DA2 had lawn ornaments as NPCs. Skyrim had worker ants. I loathe worker ants more than lawn ornaments, because at least I don't have to chase the lawn ornaments around for quests. 

YMMV, of course.

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Modifié par Plaintiff, 04 mai 2013 - 12:35 .

[BouncyFrag]

Plaintiff wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Like the DA2 npcs standing around in the same spot in kirkwall for 7 years? Never aging or never changing their clothes?

At least Skyrim`s population actually walk around abit.

Umm... what? I said that I prefer games that don't bother dressing up their complete failure to mimic human AI. The obvious implication is that I think all games are various degrees of suck on this point. So, yes, DA2 had lawn ornaments as NPCs. Skyrim had worker ants. I loathe worker ants more than lawn ornaments, because at least I don't have to chase the lawn ornaments around for quests. 

YMMV, of course.

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[cJohnOne]

In Exile wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Like the DA2 npcs standing around in the same spot in kirkwall for 7 years? Never aging or never changing their clothes?

At least Skyrim`s population actually walk around abit.

Umm... what? I said that I prefer games that don't bother dressing up their complete failure to mimic human AI. The obvious implication is that I think all games are various degrees of suck on this point. So, yes, DA2 had lawn ornaments as NPCs. Skyrim had worker ants. I loathe worker ants more than lawn ornaments, because at least I don't have to chase the lawn ornaments around for quests. 

YMMV, of course.

Oh, lawn ornaments and worker ants.  I thought that was funny.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 04 mai 2013 - 03:54 .

[KiwiQuiche]

If we can take the gnomes and beat people to death with them like Gnome Chompski that's a pre-order from me.

[KDD-0063]

One thing that turns me off a lot in Skyrim was that it was so easy to deviate from the more interesting parts of the game: the guilds, civil war and the main story.

There are a lot of side quests, dungeons, misc objectives that are just not very interesting and can get a player bored fast. Unfortunately I think this is the very nature of a "real open-world game" and avoiding this pitfall is very difficult.

In fact I think Bioware has done similar things before. Baldur's Gate I was full of all kinds of misc objectives and small, unimportant and unimpressive side quests too.

[metatheurgist]

KDD-0063 wrote...
There are a lot of side quests, dungeons, misc objectives that are just not very interesting and can get a player bored fast. Unfortunately I think this is the very nature of a "real open-world game" and avoiding this pitfall is very difficult.

Agree that was definitely a flaw in Skyrim. I don't believe that all open worlds games have to be the same though. If Bioware want to bring something new to the genre they could break ground by successfully integrating a great story into an open world. Probably requires better writing and scripting, if Bioware can rise to the challenge.

[Keeper of Light]

iiReaperZz wrote...

The thought dawns on me while reflecting on games like Just Cause 2, or more recently, and most notably, TES Skyrim.

Both of these games are open ended, maintain a high level of graphical content and importantly showcase these areas LOAD FREE, (considerations for dungeons etc... in skyrim you get what I mean ) with a plethora of high notes for exploration in between. With down scaling considerations with what bioware sets to achieve in terms of animated character interactivity, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect the company to be able to achieve such a comparative feat! Wouldn't anyone like to see this in a DA title? I just dislike being funneled into specific areas with so much linearity.  

I know they've set out to create more open areas but I envision a nice, open artistic palette that probably welcomes very little by way of interactivity. I could be wrong, I hope I am, but at the very least I'm hoping for a much higher quantity, than that of origins or Da2, of explorable regions and certainly for every city to be as completely constructed and accessible as Kirkwall.

A last request, YES with notice to skyrim.  I'd very much welcome a less static world. People should have random occupations, and should never reappear stationary or in a recurring position. If you disagree, I'm sure by the time you've played through GTA5 you'll have a much fonder appreciation for what I mean.

Anyway, can I clarify that I love this series! I'm sure some will take this as disrespect, a strange forum this is indeed!

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Modifié par Darksiders2, 04 mai 2013 - 12:08 .

[Harle Cerulean]

On the topic of Skyrim vs DA... One thing that cracked me up awhile back about complaints about the fetch quests in DA2 being boring were the people who would then put Skyrim's radiant quest system forward as ideal for sidequests.

Which pretty much boiled down to "go to random dungeon out of {set} for an item and bring it back," about 75% of the time. The other 25% were "go to random place out of {set2} and kill x thing out of {set3}." Not really much of an improvement. The only thing that's better is at least you have a reason to know who this item is for, since they asked you for it... (instead of "I just picked up a body in the dock sewers! Clearly this goes to the Dalish camp, no one else would lose a body in the Kirkwall dock sewers!")

Slight tangent over... I don't want open-world Dragon Age. As people have said before, when you have an open world, you lose the ability to have a story. In Morrowind, you could literally just head southeast out of the starting area, scale the mountain, and kill the final boss. It's not easy, but you can. You can also head out into the world and never touch the main quest again. In either case, the story might as well not exist.

Don't get me wrong, I love Morrowind! It's by far better than either of the two more recent installations in the series, and I have spent at least 500+ hours playing it. There's room for games where story is secondary to Random **** You Want To Do. But I don't want Dragon Age to be the kind of game, because I want good, solid stories from Dragon Age. We wouldn't get that if they adapted their style to allow you to go wherever you want and do whatever you want, whenever you want.

[MELegendN7]

Plaintiff wrote...

Because Skyrim sucks and nobody should want to copy it.

It's a big, beautiful box with nothing inside.

That's why I cant stand or figure out what the hell the people like about skyrim!! THANK YOU!

[Keeper of Light]

frankenfritters wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Because Skyrim sucks and nobody should want to copy it.

It's a big, beautiful box with nothing inside.

That's why I cant stand or figure out what the hell the people like about skyrim!! THANK YOU!

There's a lot to like about Skyrim, I've been a huge Elder Scrolls fans since Daggerfall. The new kiddies wouldn't understand. I wouldn't explain to you right now, because if I do, I'd have to type in a lot. Apparently Plaintiff is either jealous or has a burning hatred towards The Elder Scrolls series. You want a short form of why billions of people like The Elder Scrolls? Freedom. Immersive. A lore that's on par with the likes of the Lord of the Rings and A Song of Ice and Fire. 300+ hours of single-player awesomeness and all for just $60. The ability to do a lot of things. The world feels alive.

I don't know why haters like you hate the game? Because of the combat? The combat has been significantly improved since Oblivion, so that's something to consider. Story? Although simple, the lore behind it is VERY, VERY rich and highly detailed. Even CD Projekt (The Witcher) are taking ideas from Skyrim. Thanks to Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls series is now officially recognized to the mainstream audiences. 

The game's greatest accomplishment is that it is a paradise of escapism. The ability to nearly do anything in the game.

Modifié par Darksiders2, 04 mai 2013 - 02:08 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I thought Red Dead Redemption was fun.

[Narosian]

 There tons to do in skyrim, dont know how you can think its just an empty world with nothing in it.  Maybe they just dont know how to find quests when there isnt a giant exclamation mark over someones head.  Between my several hundred hours in skyrim (and morrowind and oblivion), all the good reviews for it, and the fact that it still sells well and is frequently on steams top 5 list of games being played would suggest it is a good game despite what the haters say. An argument could be made though for making the main quest a little more important since according to the just cause 2 dev, a majority of players in open world games do pretty much everything but the main quest.

[Volus Warlord]

Darksiders2 wrote...

There's a lot to like about Skyrim, I've been a huge Elder Scrolls fans since Daggerfall. The new kiddies wouldn't understand. I wouldn't explain to you right now, because if I do, I'd have to type in a lot. Apparently Plaintiff is either jealous or has a burning hatred towards The Elder Scrolls series. You want a short form of why billions of people like The Elder Scrolls? Freedom. Immersive. A lore that's on par with the likes of the Lord of the Rings and A Song of Ice and Fire. 300+ hours of single-player awesomeness and all for just $60. The ability to do a lot of things. The world feels alive.

I don't know why haters like you hate the game? Because of the combat? The combat has been significantly improved since Oblivion, so that's something to consider. Story? Although simple, the lore behind it is VERY, VERY rich and highly detailed. Even CD Projekt (The Witcher) are taking ideas from Skyrim. Thanks to Skyrim, The Elder Scrolls series is now officially recognized to the mainstream audiences. 

The game's greatest accomplishment is that it is a paradise of escapism. The ability to nearly do anything in the game.

Well I couldn't romance a dragon , therefore the game is terribad.

I don't understand why these people hate Skyrim so much.  Individual Characters? Elder Scrolls was never about individual characters. Elder Scrolls (as well as Fallout) are about interesting and complex FACTIONS, which is an area where Bioware games fall flat on their face. The best faction they ever did was Cerberus, and then they turned and made it "lolevil." All the rest are either underdescribed, lacking identity, overemphasized as crazy, nonexistant, or some combination thereof.

As per character detail, there are <10 truly detailed characters in each game, and the rest are largely decorations or short cameos. And these "truly detailed" characters are often cardboard cutouts, having trivial differences from characters in previous games.
Gameplay? Have you forgotten about the Awesome Button? 

Background? Skyrim's is one of the best, if not the best. The entirity of DA2 is about the size of 2 Dwemer ruins and much less detailed.

I just don't see any grounds in reality for bashing Skyrim and glorifying (or even just calling average) DA2.

[BouncyFrag]

CrustyBot wrote...

I thought Red Dead Redemption was fun.

Awesome and enjoyable game. But we can't have too many posts like this. It will get in the way of the mindless Skyrim vs Dragon Age bloviating since 'open world' only means Skyrim to some people. RPGz are serious business.

[Sanunes]

BouncyFrag wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

I thought Red Dead Redemption was fun.

Awesome and enjoyable game. But we can't have too many posts like this. It will get in the way of the mindless Skyrim vs Dragon Age bloviating since 'open world' only means Skyrim to some people. RPGz are serious business.

The reason more people will mention Skyrim is because its closer to what Dragon Age is, but Red Dead was a good game, but I have the same problem with it that I do with Skyrim for I played the game once and several times I stopped playing and forgot about the game until I saw the box and realized I still haven't finished it.

[Rob James]

maybe im miss understanding . I dont think the hater are so much " we hate skyrim its sucks . As much as Skyrim good i like it but i love Dragon age games and i would not want DA 3 to be less like Dao and more like Skyrim. I love Bio ware games cause of the story and characters. I like Skyrim for the screwing around you can do, but there is not one person i care about in the game or find instering but maybe that is just me

[Dave of Canada]

I'd rather want New Vegas over Skyrim any day of the week.

[Tenshi]

because story would suffer.. A LOT.
tell me.. what skyrim character did you care for? i think i know the answer.
also tell me.. what is the last time that some1 cared about you being archmage, thane of all cities, listener of dark brotherhood, guild master of thieves guild, leader of companions, champion of imperium / stormcloaks?

do you now understand how empty it would make the game if it was too open-worlded?

[Dave of Canada]

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote... 
tell me.. what skyrim character did you care for? i think i know the answer.

I can list many from New Vegas and Red Dead. Do those count?

[Tenshi]

Dave of Canada wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote... 
tell me.. what skyrim character did you care for? i think i know the answer.

I can list many from New Vegas and Red Dead. Do those count?

didnt play red dead redemption, so my opinion would not really matter.
but at new vegas i dont really remember any in depth character. maybe boone? i liked him, but would not really care if he died.

[Enigmatick]

Dave of Canada wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote... 
tell me.. what skyrim character did you care for? i think i know the answer.

I can list many from New Vegas and Red Dead. Do those count?

Those are 10x better than TESV, so no. 

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote... 
tell me.. what skyrim character did you care for? i think i know the answer.

I can list many from New Vegas and Red Dead. Do those count?

didnt play red dead redemption, so my opinion would not really matter.
but at new vegas i dont really remember any in depth character. maybe boone? i liked him, but would not really care if he died.

Pretty much everyone from the Dead money DLC was amazing.

Modifié par Enigmatick, 04 mai 2013 - 05:54 .

[AlanC9]

Volus Warlord wrote...
There's a lot to like about Skyrim, I've been a huge Elder Scrolls fans since Daggerfall. The new kiddies wouldn't understand.

 I 've been playing CRPGs since Starflight, and I checked out of the TES series after Morrowind. Let's drop the "new kiddies" nonsense.

Not everyone likes the TES approach..

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 mai 2013 - 06:00 .