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[Sanunes]

I rarely saved Ashley unless I was romancing her, to me it made more sense to keep a sentinel officer alive then a ground grunt and normally Kaiden was in my group, so I would sacrifice the person that most of the time just did weapon maintenance.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

I leave Kaiden to die a hero's death, and shoot Ashley myself at the Citadel mixup.

[celestial_emperor]

I've saved Ashley in almost all play-throughs of Mass Effect except the one I'm playing now where I'm playing a Soldier and doubling up on Soldier-types doesn't make sense. So my view on Kaidan might change.

Ashley in Mass Effect 1 is just written as a more interesting character. I haven't made it through the trilogy with him, but the writing Kaidan is almost too good a person. He's in this to do the right thing - and he always seems to take the high road, while Ashley is - interesting. She's a flawed person, she starts pretty xenophobic, but there's a definite arc for her through the first two games (I, like a lot of other people, was not particularly impressed with much of the writing for Ashley in Mass Effect 3) and I love that you really connect with Ashley's family throughout the three games.

I really felt that she became a much better person through her time on Shepard's crew. Particularly as a love interest, but even with Shepard's not interested in her, I thought it was a really fascinating counterpoint to each other.  Ashley grows up from a scared, guilt-wracked Marine to a capable Commander and even a capable Spectre. When I played on crews with Kaidan, it seemed that Kaidan would just get there eventually because he was ready for it and was a stand-up dude.

I let Kaidan die protecting the bomb so he wouldn't suffer the fate of becoming a Husk or worse at the hands of the Geth. I'm kind of insulted that people in this forum refer to Ashley as "just a grunt." We shouldn't shrug off any individual's life worth just because of their rank.

In conclusion, Kaidan in ME1 just seemed a little too Go! Go! Captain Alliance! to me. But I am looking forward to seeing how he plays out in my current playthroughs.

Modifié par celestial_emperor, 04 mai 2013 - 11:36 .

[Exile Isan]

celestial_emperor wrote...
In conclusion, Kaidan in ME1 just seemed a little too Go! Go! Captain Alliance! to me. But I am looking forward to seeing how he plays out in my current playthroughs.

I think it's because the Alliance is the only place he's felt welcome being a biotic and all. Like he says "We're not restricted, but we sure don't go undocumented. Might as well get a paycheck for it." And as for him being more inclined to "do the right thing" I think that has to do with the fact that he lost his temper and killed someone when he was 17. That kind of experience can make or break someone. Kaidan regretted it, even if Vyrnnus was an jerk, and it made him a much more controlled person because of it.

Sometimes I think people don't like Kaidan because he has no problems Shepard needs to fix.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

RZIBARA wrote...

Saved Ashley, wasnt a hard decision at all.

Never really cared about kaidan, and ashley is one of my favourite characters in all the ME games.
Plus i romanced her too

Pretty much this. If it had been between Ashley and Liara it would be have been a more difficult choice for me to make.

[Undead Han]

Kaidan usually dies on Virmire.

I prefer to have Shepard go to the AA Tower, because the survival of the Salarians doesn't make any sense if you have Shepard go back to the bomb site. And I almost always assigned Kaidan to the bomb, because within the story it makes more sense to assign someone with a tech background.

[Hadeedak]

I try to split it up a bit. I kind of default to saving Kaidan, because he's pretty.  Also, he heals me and sometimes throws geth into space, and that's pretty awesome. But Ash gets out a lot, too.

Frankly, the rest of the crew's lucky I can't leave Liara or Wrex with the bomb. Not that I dislike either. I just like Ash and Kaidan more.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 05 mai 2013 - 03:38 .

[Raging_Pulse]

celestial_emperor wrote...

I'm kind of insulted that people in this forum refer to Ashley as "just a grunt." We shouldn't shrug off any individual's life worth just because of their rank. 

 

Not to mention that there's an elaborate in-game explanation as to why exactly was she unable to rise through the ranks as one would expect from someone who received commendations, has excellent technical scores and spotless record. Labeling her "just a grunt" is being petty and ignorant.

Modifié par Domecoming, 05 mai 2013 - 09:26 .

[Flumburken]

I'm not that familiar with navy ranks, but isn't Gunnery Chief sort of an officer rank?

[Voided1234]

Senior Enlisted.

A US Marine E7, is a Gunnery Sargeant.
A US Navy E7, is a Chief Petty Officer, or Chief.

The Alliance navy combines both warriors, and sailors, so it makes sense to call her a gunnery chief, and in NO WAY is a chief or a gunny ever a "grunt". I know this, because I'm in the US Navy.

[Jasonite75]

Simple, if I was playing through as a male Shep I saved Ash, if I was femShep I saved Kaidan, regardless of whether I romancing either of them or not. I never really used either of them much through ME3 so it didn't matter to me.

[radishson]

I always save Ashley. I never even use her in my squad, I just like her better. Plus, I'd do anything to spare my Shep the awkward ME3 Kaidan flirting.

[Exile Isan]

radishson wrote...
Plus, I'd do anything to spare my Shep the awkward ME3 Kaidan flirting.

There's ways around that besides killing him.

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

Majority of the time I pick Kaidan because most of my FemSheps (well one FemShep just play through multiple times) romanced him so it only made sense, but for MaleShep I choose Ashley.

[Gold Dragon]

Typically, I save the opposite-sex of my Shepard. If I am playing Femshep, then Kaidan lives. If I am playing Male Shep, then Ash lives, save the one time I was getting the ME2 Paramour Achievement (Male Shep romanced Tali, tho I lost that char before ME3 came out). However.... Once, I will make Femshep romance Thane (I hear that he has something interesting that I want to see without YouTube), and remake that MaleShep with Tali Romance, so as to finish the story.

Current game in ME 1 is with Male Shep, and I want IG in ME 3.

[Big I]

I liked Kaidan better as a character. Ash came across as too renegade for me. I've always left her behind on Virmire.


The way I justify it is like this: on Virmire it makes sense to send Ash with Kirrahe because he's going into a firefight and she's a combat specialist, and to send Kaidan with the bomb because as a sentinel he has advanced technical training and can monitor it and make sure it works. When you get to the point where you you have to choose who to save, you have geth attacking the bomb site with the intent of stopping it from going off. To make sure the mission is a succes the right thing is to go back to the bomb site and stop the geth from disarming the bomb.

[CDR David Shepard]

That poor Search option never gets used.

Anyways...I save Ashley on every single playthrough.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

If I had the choice, I'd leave them both.

[Tempest_]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I liked Kaidan better as a character. Ash came across as too renegade for me. I've always left her behind on Virmire.


The way I justify it is like this: on Virmire it makes sense to send Ash with Kirrahe because he's going into a firefight and she's a combat specialist, and to send Kaidan with the bomb because as a sentinel he has advanced technical training and can monitor it and make sure it works. When you get to the point where you you have to choose who to save, you have geth attacking the bomb site with the intent of stopping it from going off. To make sure the mission is a succes the right thing is to go back to the bomb site and stop the geth from disarming the bomb.

Yeah that makes sense.

The only thing that bothers me is that if Kirrahe survives, the implication is that he and his squad left the assigned squadmate to die.

Doesn't really feel in character.

[Redbelle]

Which ever character I left behind, the ghost of their character portrait never let me forget I could not save them.

[Abraham_uk]

Voided1234 wrote...

Senior Enlisted.

A US Marine E7, is a Gunnery Sargeant.
A US Navy E7, is a Chief Petty Officer, or Chief.

The Alliance navy combines both warriors, and sailors, so it makes sense to call her a gunnery chief, and in NO WAY is a chief or a gunny ever a "grunt". I know this, because I'm in the US Navy.

What exactly is a "grunt"?
Does the US millitary even have what people would call "grunts"?

I thought all soldiers were far to smart to be viewed as "grunts".
But I know nothing about the millitary.

[Ferretinabun]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I liked Kaidan better as a character. Ash came across as too renegade for me. I've always left her behind on Virmire.


The way I justify it is like this: on Virmire it makes sense to send Ash with Kirrahe because he's going into a firefight and she's a combat specialist, and to send Kaidan with the bomb because as a sentinel he has advanced technical training and can monitor it and make sure it works. When you get to the point where you you have to choose who to save, you have geth attacking the bomb site with the intent of stopping it from going off. To make sure the mission is a succes the right thing is to go back to the bomb site and stop the geth from disarming the bomb.

This.

It's the whole reason I saved Kaiden on my first playthrough.

But he's also a more useful squadmate, and doesn't get absolutely mauled in ME3 the way Ashley does.

Think I'll stick with Kaiden.

The fact that Kirrahe is on board the Normandy afterwards is a bit problematic, but there are ways around it: for instance you could not save Kirrahe and then assume the Salarians on the Normandy weren't part of Kirrahe's squad.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 07 mai 2013 - 06:07 .

[Xabungle]

Left Ashley my first play through. After that , always leave Kaiden behind. Damn whining momma's boy through the rest of the game. Forget that crap. At least Ashely is straight forward about how she feels and when she gets an attitude adjustment after almost shooting you . So .. yeah .. Kaiden BUH BYE!

[Redbelle]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Voided1234 wrote...

Senior Enlisted.

A US Marine E7, is a Gunnery Sargeant.
A US Navy E7, is a Chief Petty Officer, or Chief.

The Alliance navy combines both warriors, and sailors, so it makes sense to call her a gunnery chief, and in NO WAY is a chief or a gunny ever a "grunt". I know this, because I'm in the US Navy.

What exactly is a "grunt"?
Does the US millitary even have what people would call "grunts"?

I thought all soldiers were far to smart to be viewed as "grunts".
But I know nothing about the millitary.

Is it out of the question for a grunt to have to take on the role if the role was not occupied and they had complementary skills fitting that billing?

I ask as the Normandy is, effectively a small community with limted life support capacity. And having the office's back on Earth set up crew transfer's might often miss a desired skill set if it is not caught in the crew transfer process.

[Dust316]

DoomHK wrote...

Kaidan is basically a permanent resident of Virmire.

 This.  I picked Ashley over Kaiden in all but one of my play files.