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[xassantex]

save Kaidan of course. he's my Mshep's LI. I did Ash once and found her annoying. And she makes no sense as a soldier with her hair hiding most of her peripheral vision.

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

I let Kaiden die in all 5 of my saves. He is such as boring ass character so let home die all time. Also he is annoying In mass effect 3.

[PrinceLionheart]

6 years later and people still don't understand what racism/bigotry is.

[Provo_101]

I originally thought that Kirrahe and his team would die if you saved whoever stayed with the bomb instead, unaware that his survival is dependent on the secondary objectives throughout the mission. I sent Kaidan with the salarians and decided to save as many as I could when the decision popped up.

[MrFob]

Provo_101 wrote...

I originally thought that Kirrahe and his team would die if you saved whoever stayed with the bomb instead, unaware that his survival is dependent on the secondary objectives throughout the mission. I sent Kaidan with the salarians and decided to save as many as I could when the decision popped up.

I think that would have made more sense as well. I never understood how exactly Kirrahe gets out if the Normandy returns to the bomb site (Is it mentioned at any point? if so I can't remember).

As for the question at hand, I have done both of course but I think Ashley's death fits better into the story. During the game, she frequently brings up how she feels guilty about Eden Prime. You have to keep reminding her that it's not her fault but in the end, she doesn't really seem to accept that. Her valiant death on Virmire is thus the redemption of her own survivor's guilt.
I also usually send Alenko with Kirrahe. Ash may be a good soldier but as a lieson and coordinator, I think the lieutenant is the better choice. Also his combat skill set fits better with the Salarians probable fighting style.
So in the end, I have Ash with the bomb and Kaiden with Kirrahe. Since it makes more sense for me to go after Kirrahe and his men to get the largest number of people out, I go for him.
I also did this with a Shepard who romanced Ash once, it makes for a really good story arc, actually.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

My gut says Ashley all the way, but I actually like the drama potential that comes from keeping her alive. I can do some interesting headcanon with her, especially since I hate her so much.

She's one of those characters that I love to hate, so I pretty much have to keep her alive.

[garrus and ashley squad]

I killed kaidan each time. Mainly because I loved ashley and found kaidan boring. Didn't hate him but was to boring to keep.

[xxNLCxx]

Saved kaiden last time around. Ashleys great to look at but kaidens powers are far more usfull later in the trilagy.

[CapnManx]

Saved Ashley on my first play through; then realised just how much I disliked her. Now, not only do I leave her to get blown up, but I spend so little time talking to her while she's alive that Shepard's moping over her death seems kinda forced.

[mhmbaSR1]

i pretty much always do maleshep so i never really liked kaidan that much in me1 (despite loving his voice/voice actor raphael sbarge, who is awesome), and it never really made sense since you couldnt romance him. that and ashley just seemed more interesting as a character, i mean kaidan had a good story but it just never really went beyond his biotics (i think).

that being said, whenever i forced myself to save kaidan instead of ash...and when i finally got to talk to him again in me3, i was so glad i did. he really comes through as a character, and the heart felt confession of his love for shepard (this is the first time i ever heard about is since i do mshep) in me3 completely won me over. i ended up romancing him when i was planning on romancing someone else because of how awesome his speech was. i was just blown away by that writing

....so now, needless to say, i always choose kaidan over ash, no regrets

[AlphaMaeko]

I usually send whoever I'm going to save to the bomb, so it at least seems to be a logical choice.

Either way, I usually save Kaiden.

[KieranW]

I always save Ashley, but that is simply due to the way I play my Shepard.

Kaidan is a Biotic (rare in Salarians) and of a more senior rank than Ashley. So he always seemed to be the logical choice to lead the team. Ashley was the Gunnery Chief, so it always made sense to me that she should arm the bomb.

Then, when it comes down to it, I'm faced with a choice. Go save Kaidan and the Salarians, or Ashley and the bomb. Now the bomb is -meant- to be near unstoppable once activated. But I sat there and I thought "Would my Shepard take the risk of the super advanced Geth de-activating it? Or loading it on a ship and moving it?"

The answer was no. So Kaidan has always died in my games. Which I'm not devastated about. Ignorance is bliss, right?

[KotorEffect3]

I never really play favorites when it comes to who survives Virmire. It mostly depends on what kind of Shepard I am playing.

[Undead Han]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

6 years later and people still don't understand what racism/bigotry is.

People like to greatly exaggerate the traits of characters that they find negative. It isn't unique to Ashley, although she probably gets the biggest dose of it.

[wolfhowwl]

Han Shot First wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

6 years later and people still don't understand what racism/bigotry is.

People like to greatly exaggerate the traits of characters that they find negative. It isn't unique to Ashley, although she probably gets the biggest dose of it.

The alien bigots usually get a pass.

[Undead Han]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

6 years later and people still don't understand what racism/bigotry is.

People like to greatly exaggerate the traits of characters that they find negative. It isn't unique to Ashley, although she probably gets the biggest dose of it.

The alien bigots usually get a pass.

That is true. Javik is much more bigoted than Ashley, but people usualy find his racist cracks funny.

[capn233]

I have never saved Kaidan in ME1.

Rank does not influence my decision. Metagaming, Kaidan usually ends up with the bomb and Ash is at the AA towers... this isn't a choice you will know for sure w/o metagaming since it depends on who you send to assist the Salarians initially.  Anyway, I think it makes more sense to hold the AA towers until extraction since supposedly once the bomb is armed it can't be deactivated.

In any event, my Shepards are usually 'fraternizing' with Ash, so that is also another layer to the choice...

Modifié par capn233, 09 août 2013 - 04:00 .

[Undead Han]

Rank shouldn't influence your decision either, because it has absolutely no bearing on the scenario. The people who claim they chose Kaidan because he is a superior officer are quite obviously people with civilian backgrounds, who neither understand what Staff NCOs are or how military units function on a day to day basis.

[cap and gown]

I have gone both ways. In ME1 I find Ashley to be rather annoying with her racism and religious kick, while Kaiden seems quite mature. But when I get to ME3 I end up liking Ashley more while Kaiden strikes me as really annoying with his "integrity" bit (which he himself admits rubs people the wrong way). OTOH, Kaiden's skill set is vastly superior to Ashley's, so he is actually the better squad mate in ME3.

My last Sheppard romanced Kaiden but then left him to die on Virmire. There was a good deal of meta-gaming going on there, though. Basically, I didn't want a romance in ME1 so I would be free and clear to romance Traynor in ME3. I figured the easiest way to get to that end state was tell Liara I liked Kaiden and then promptly kill him. (Plus, being male myself, I have never been able to bring myself to have intimate relations with a guy, even in a game. Does that make me a poor role-player?) I did justify it on the grounds that Sheppard would prioritize the mission over personal feelings about her crew mates, and since Ashley was supporting Kirrahe she prioritized getting as many people out of there as possible rather than worrying about protecting a bomb that supposedly could not be disarmed.

[OldSwede]

The first time, even though I felt Ash was kind of too much of a racist for my liking (even though she had her reasons, and also, when I saved her, she opposed the Terra Firma party, calling them right out (as Ash is: straight forward) racists) I saved Kaidan -- but didn't really like him much either (too whiny for me).

It was very touching and (maybe because of my age?... being a lot "softer" than when I was young) it did hurt to see her by the bomb --- then,after several playthroughs, I learned that if you left them with the AA guns, instead of by the bomb, that scene wouldn't show, so I could handle that easier. ;-)

Anyway, I've played ME1 so many, many, Many times, so it's been different from time to time.

Modifié par OldSwede, 11 août 2013 - 05:03 .

[cap and gown]

Well, this time the game decided for me who would live and who would die. When presented with the choice of who to send with Kirrahe, Ashely pointed out that Kaiden would be needed to arm the bomb. That made sense: he has tech skills, she doesn't. So Ashley goes with Kirrahe while Kadien will arm the bomb. But that means that Kaiden will die since a) it is stated that once armed, the bomb can't be disarmed, and therefore going back to the bomb does nothing to further the mission, and c) going to the AAA guns means a greater number of lives are saved (theoretically, not game wise) and does advance the mission objectives.

[Ferretinabun]

On the other hand, the whole point of the mission is the bomb. I think it makes sense to clear out the Geth by the bombsite just in case they can possibly deactivate it before it goes off (they don't, but that's metagaming). This is an entirely tech race, after all. Is anything ever actually impossible when it comes to technology?

That was my logic on my first playthough and I still say it holds water.

Kaidan lives.

It's just a bonus that this saves you from having to see the horrible, horrible, horrible revamp ME3 does on Ashley.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 11 août 2013 - 11:53 .

[planehazza]

horrible horrible revamp? She's well fit in 3

[Nashtalia]

Sacrificed Kaiden, in honesty i really like Ash's saying specifically:

when she sees The Old Growth and says: what the hell is that? [her facial expression and the way she says it was amuzing]

when i sabotage Qui'in's office and we run into the shady officers and she says: what a load of crap [will have to say was amuzed by her way of saying it]

Modifié par Nashtalia, 22 août 2013 - 08:54 .