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[Alfonsedode]

Nice thread ! But dead .
I am considering going for a full insanity playtrough, but I will die, and die a lot. I like taking chacnes too much.
But I wonder what class I would pick. I did it with vanguard and adept I think. Is the engi fun ? Soldiers seem boring, cause only weapon... and infi, i am not so sure.

[Commander Michael]

Heh, I'm back. After 8 months it seems. If I wanted to be funny I'd say I'm using Internet Explorer, but...

ANYWAY! Update after 8 months (not that anyone cares anymore, haha!). I actually died in Mass Effect 1 in a random planet, took a rocket to the face from a cerberus trooper.
I got so mad (I didn't even record it because I thought it'd be an easy fight), so I just stopped and gave up... After spending 15+ hours on that particular playthrough and have it all go away in a single rocket... Devastating... :/ So I took a break from ME.

Recently I've been playing other games with similar Dead is Dead rules, notably Skyrim on Legendary, which has gone very well. However, I feel like I have to finish this ME challange... It haunts me! So I'm going to restart my ME playthrough soon enough. With an Engineer, of course.

I feel like any class with Biotics/immunity would make it too easy, atleast in ME1. My teammates are going to be Tali and Ashley (or Garrus), so I'll have no biotics for the ultimate challange.

Also if I would make it through ME1 I would change my class to be the worst of the next game. I think that the worst class of ME2 (for dead is dead rules) is the Vanguard, because of their high risk and high reward playstyle. ME3 has very balanced classes, as far as I remember, but I think the community thinks that the Soldier is the worst. So we'll see.

Also, my friends said that I should record EVERYTHING (make it a let's play), so that it'd be certain I don't cheat (aka I film a fight over and over again until I beat it, and just pretend it was on the first try). I'm not sure about this since I'm a really "slow" gamer, as I check all the investigation options in Conversations and read the Codexes, and with my Dead is Dead rules I look at stats for a long time AND my inventory screen... Wouldn't be very exciting for the watchers... And I also play RPG's to 100% completion, ALWAYS.

But we'll see! I know for sure I'm going to restart my playthrough soon enough!

Thanks for all who have commented and given suggestions, I really do appreciate it.

[Commander Michael]

alfonsedode wrote...

Nice thread ! But dead .
I am considering going for a full insanity playtrough, but I will die, and die a lot. I like taking chacnes too much.
But I wonder what class I would pick. I did it with vanguard and adept I think. Is the engi fun ? Soldiers seem boring, cause only weapon... and infi, i am not so sure.

If you don't care about dying, then Adept is great for Mass effect 1. Biotics are by far the most powerful tool against pretty much all enemies (I think only turrets are immune ot the lift and throw abilites). If you don't  want to die, then Soldier or Vanguard, because of Immunity. 

I like all classes in ME2, but I would dare say that the Infiltrator is the best, but a bit boring. Cloak + sniper shot handles all enemies quite nicely. Soldiers are also great with Adrenaline Rush + any weapon.

ME3 I think all classes are more or less equal, since everyone can use every weapon. Pick whatever you like. :happy:

[Commander Michael]

ALSO! Do you guys have any tips on how to prove that I'm actaully not dying? I mean I guess I could film for 5 hours straight and post the videos, but I don't think it's allowed to have a 5 hour long video on YouTube!

I'm a very honest person, but obviously people can't just take my word for it.

[RedCaesar97]

Commander Michael wrote...
So I'm going to restart my ME playthrough soon enough. With an Engineer, of course. I feel like any class with Biotics/immunity would make it too easy, atleast in ME1. My teammates are going to be Tali and Ashley (or Garrus), so I'll have no biotics for the ultimate challange.

Also if I would make it through ME1 I would change my class to be the worst of the next game. I think that the worst class of ME2 (for dead is dead rules) is the Vanguard, because of their high risk and high reward playstyle.

ME3 has very balanced classes, as far as I remember, but I think the community thinks that the Soldier is the worst. So we'll see.

Yeah, I would say that the Engineer is definitely the worst in ME1. 

And Vanguard would most certainly be the toughest to complete with Dead is Dead rules since, like you said, you are always on the brink of death (until Charge bugs out and you die).

As for ME3, all classes are so powerful now, it is really hard to say which class is the worst. I am actually leaning towards thinking that the Adept is the worst, but that is only compared 1-on-1 versus the other classes. With squadmates, the Adept is strong with Liara and/or Javik, but the Sentinel is still better than the Adept with those same squadmates.

Also, my friends said that I should record EVERYTHING (make it a let's play), so that it'd be certain I don't cheat (aka I film a fight over and over again until I beat it, and just pretend it was on the first try). I'm not sure about this since I'm a really "slow" gamer, as I check all the investigation options in Conversations and read the Codexes, and with my Dead is Dead rules I look at stats for a long time AND my inventory screen... Wouldn't be very exciting for the watchers... And I also play RPG's to 100% completion, ALWAYS.

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ALSO! Do you guys have any tips on how to prove that I'm actaully not dying? I mean I guess I could film for 5 hours straight and post the videos, but I don't think it's allowed to have a 5 hour long video on YouTube!

I'm a very honest person, but obviously people can't just take my word for it.

I have no problem taking someone's word for it. And if you just want to prove that you never died with Dead is dead rules, then you only need to show the combat I suppose. 

But if you do die, then you recorded a playthrough for nothing, so....

Eh, do whatever you want.

[Commander Michael]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

Commander Michael wrote...
So I'm going to restart my ME playthrough soon enough. With an Engineer, of course. I feel like any class with Biotics/immunity would make it too easy, atleast in ME1. My teammates are going to be Tali and Ashley (or Garrus), so I'll have no biotics for the ultimate challange.

Also if I would make it through ME1 I would change my class to be the worst of the next game. I think that the worst class of ME2 (for dead is dead rules) is the Vanguard, because of their high risk and high reward playstyle.

ME3 has very balanced classes, as far as I remember, but I think the community thinks that the Soldier is the worst. So we'll see.

Yeah, I would say that the Engineer is definitely the worst in ME1. 

And Vanguard would most certainly be the toughest to complete with Dead is Dead rules since, like you said, you are always on the brink of death (until Charge bugs out and you die).

As for ME3, all classes are so powerful now, it is really hard to say which class is the worst. I am actually leaning towards thinking that the Adept is the worst, but that is only compared 1-on-1 versus the other classes. With squadmates, the Adept is strong with Liara and/or Javik, but the Sentinel is still better than the Adept with those same squadmates.

Also, my friends said that I should record EVERYTHING (make it a let's play), so that it'd be certain I don't cheat (aka I film a fight over and over again until I beat it, and just pretend it was on the first try). I'm not sure about this since I'm a really "slow" gamer, as I check all the investigation options in Conversations and read the Codexes, and with my Dead is Dead rules I look at stats for a long time AND my inventory screen... Wouldn't be very exciting for the watchers... And I also play RPG's to 100% completion, ALWAYS.

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ALSO! Do you guys have any tips on how to prove that I'm actaully not dying? I mean I guess I could film for 5 hours straight and post the videos, but I don't think it's allowed to have a 5 hour long video on YouTube!

I'm a very honest person, but obviously people can't just take my word for it.

I have no problem taking someone's word for it. And if you just want to prove that you never died with Dead is dead rules, then you only need to show the combat I suppose. 

But if you do die, then you recorded a playthrough for nothing, so....

Eh, do whatever you want.

Thanks for the reply! 

I just realized that I'm doing this playthrough for 2 reasons, immersion and challange. Now, if I change my class every game the immersion part will be ruined, right? So I've been thinking about a class to pick... I would dare say that the enginner is still the worst class collectively throughout the trilogy? 

I mean Adept, Soldier and Vanguard makes ME1 easier (also Sentinel if you focus on Biotics), ME2 and 3 are pretty balanced... I dunno! I really want to play as a Vanguard though, but only because of ME2 and 3 (haven't played as a Vanguard yet on those games)... But that'd make ME1 really easy, I mean you get biotics AND immunity... + of course the immersion breaking cutscenes like "why didn't he just use Charge on that guy who is escaping?".  

I just answered my own question haha. Engineer it is.

Also, there are lots of Dead is dead playthroughs on Youtube, but not many for games like ME. Mostly they are for open world games like Skyrim.  I personally love watching these because they have more tension than just a normal playthrough. So it wouldn't have been "for nothing". 

[RedCaesar97]

Commander Michael wrote...
Now, if I change my class every game the immersion part will be ruined, right? So I've been thinking about a class to pick... I would dare say that the enginner is still the worst class collectively throughout the trilogy? 

Engineer is certainly the worst in ME1 for two reasons:
 - No good spammable defensive power (no Immunity or Barrier)
 - Powers are situational. Sometimes powers do not work as expected (AI Hacking causing a Destroyer to bum-rush you) or even detrimental (Sabotaged Krogan bum-rushes you)



In ME2, it gets so much better -- my favorite class in ME2. Pair the Engineer with Mordin and it can downright silly at times.

In ME3, it was okay at launch, but it so much freaking better after the patch that changed how fire explosions are detonated. It got so much better. There are no real weak classes in ME3.

I mean Adept, Soldier and Vanguard makes ME1 easier (also Sentinel if you focus on Biotics), ME2 and 3 are pretty balanced... I dunno! I really want to play as a Vanguard though, but only because of ME2 and 3 (haven't played as a Vanguard yet on those games)... But that'd make ME1 really easy, I mean you get biotics AND immunity... + of course the immersion breaking cutscenes like "why didn't he just use Charge on that guy who is escaping?".  

Vanguard does not have Immunity in ME1. It has Barrier. Soldier and Infiltrator have Immunity. Vanguard does get Adrenaline Burst in ME1 which allows you to reset your power cooldowns. Very powerful on the Vanguard.

[Commander Michael]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

Commander Michael wrote...
Now, if I change my class every game the immersion part will be ruined, right? So I've been thinking about a class to pick... I would dare say that the enginner is still the worst class collectively throughout the trilogy? 

Engineer is certainly the worst in ME1 for two reasons:
 - No good spammable defensive power (no Immunity or Barrier)
 - Powers are situational. Sometimes powers do not work as expected (AI Hacking causing a Destroyer to bum-rush you) or even detrimental (Sabotaged Krogan bum-rushes you)



In ME2, it gets so much better -- my favorite class in ME2. Pair the Engineer with Mordin and it can downright silly at times.

In ME3, it was okay at launch, but it so much freaking better after the patch that changed how fire explosions are detonated. It got so much better. There are no real weak classes in ME3.

I mean Adept, Soldier and Vanguard makes ME1 easier (also Sentinel if you focus on Biotics), ME2 and 3 are pretty balanced... I dunno! I really want to play as a Vanguard though, but only because of ME2 and 3 (haven't played as a Vanguard yet on those games)... But that'd make ME1 really easy, I mean you get biotics AND immunity... + of course the immersion breaking cutscenes like "why didn't he just use Charge on that guy who is escaping?".  

Vanguard does not have Immunity in ME1. It has Barrier. Soldier and Infiltrator have Immunity. Vanguard does get Adrenaline Burst in ME1 which allows you to reset your power cooldowns. Very powerful on the Vanguard.

Ah so it was Infiltrator who had Immunity! Good to know! 

I think I'll do ME1 with Engineer, then 2 and 3 with Vanguard. I won't really spec into Charge anyway (I think I'll put 1 point in it for emergency shield boosting), so I guess it's understandable why Shepard wouldn't use it in cutscenes. And I guess Miranda put some biotic implants into Shepard during the Lazarus project so he became a biotic. 

For ME1 the squadmates I use will be Tali and Garrus (In my opinion the worst companions for an Engineer), and in ME2 I'll use Jacob and Jack (triple shotgun team ftw ). I've only played ME3 once without the DLC companion and AFAIK all squadmates were good in that game.

[capn233]

If you run Tali and Garrus, you should make sure you have Neural Shock before the end of Therum.

[Commander Michael]

capn233 wrote...

If you run Tali and Garrus, you should make sure you have Neural Shock before the end of Therum.

Definately! I think the hardest fight are the Krogan on Therum and Benezia. Maybe the first encounter with Saren aswell... 

All other encounters can be done without too much difficulty, provided I use lots of caution.

I'd probably do Feros first, as in my opinion it's the easiest planet. The Asari commando at the end is the only challenging opponent.

Also! Capn, didn't you have a playthrough of ME1 without any deaths? You were playing as a Soldier? I remember watching your videos, and they were kind of my inspiration. 

[a_mouse]

my friends said that I should record EVERYTHING (make it a let's play), so that it'd be certain I don't cheat (aka I film a fight over and over again until I beat it, and just pretend it was on the first try). I'm not sure about this since I'm a really "slow" gamer, as I check all the investigation options in Conversations and read the Codexes, and with my Dead is Dead rules I look at stats for a long time AND my inventory screen... Wouldn't be very exciting for the watchers... And I also play RPG's to 100% completion, ALWAYS. 

May I suggest (if not for your own sanity, then at least for documentation reasons) that you modify the goal to be no deaths during any given mission.  In other words, if you die, you need to reload back to the Normandy, and restart the entire mission as if it never happened.  This seems more doable and fun, and nearly as immersive.    It is also documentable...

[Commander Michael]

a_mouse wrote...

my friends said that I should record EVERYTHING (make it a let's play), so that it'd be certain I don't cheat (aka I film a fight over and over again until I beat it, and just pretend it was on the first try). I'm not sure about this since I'm a really "slow" gamer, as I check all the investigation options in Conversations and read the Codexes, and with my Dead is Dead rules I look at stats for a long time AND my inventory screen... Wouldn't be very exciting for the watchers... And I also play RPG's to 100% completion, ALWAYS. 

May I suggest (if not for your own sanity, then at least for documentation reasons) that you modify the goal to be no deaths during any given mission.  In other words, if you die, you need to reload back to the Normandy, and restart the entire mission as if it never happened.  This seems more doable and fun, and nearly as immersive.    It is also documentable...

Thanks for suggestion. I had actaully thought of that and kind of take it like "Shepard had a bad dream".
But yeah I thought I want to try no deaths at any given time. 


I'm currently at the Citadel; been only playing around 30 min per day because Skyrim keeps wanting my attention haha.  

I've filmed all the fights except the one with Jax, which should be interesting. 

ps. as a sidenote: Grenades are a fun little biotic substitute haha. (You can see it in the video I'll post soon) 

[capn233]

Commander Michael wrote...

Also! Capn, didn't you have a playthrough of ME1 without any deaths? You were playing as a Soldier? I remember watching your videos, and they were kind of my inspiration. 

I do have a series for ME1.  I wasn't going for no deaths or anything, and was nearly killed several times, especially by the snipers.

I am not sure I would have the patience to try and get through all 3 games without dying once.  Mainly due to the snipers in ME1 (early game problem mostly), and with certain classes in ME2 early game ("can't get a lock" is not fun to hear).

Modifié par capn233, 16 janvier 2014 - 08:45 .

[a_mouse]

Another (perhaps related?) challenge would be to complete the entire series untouched (zero health damage), reloading only from official checkpoints (no quick saves). This is compartmentalized, so probably doable. But also very challenging for those of us with in-your-face play styles...

[Alfonsedode]

Commander Michael wrote...

alfonsedode wrote...

Nice thread ! But dead .
I am considering going for a full insanity playtrough, but I will die, and die a lot. I like taking chacnes too much.
But I wonder what class I would pick. I did it with vanguard and adept I think. Is the engi fun ? Soldiers seem boring, cause only weapon... and infi, i am not so sure.

If you don't care about dying, then Adept is great for Mass effect 1. Biotics are by far the most powerful tool against pretty much all enemies (I think only turrets are immune ot the lift and throw abilites). If you don't  want to die, then Soldier or Vanguard, because of Immunity. 

I like all classes in ME2, but I would dare say that the Infiltrator is the best, but a bit boring. Cloak + sniper shot handles all enemies quite nicely. Soldiers are also great with Adrenaline Rush + any weapon.

ME3 I think all classes are more or less equal, since everyone can use every weapon. Pick whatever you like. :happy:

Nice too read U will give it another try. But why using a flimsy class. Your chalenge is big enough like this . And i m pretty sure U will not die in classical combat situation. Going out the mako or with a mako fall or ...

 might go adept on me1. On me2 i like the claymore vanguard too much but adept is nice too. I m not sure I tried ME2 soldier... Hum, i think i have at least one insanity playthrough wiht each class on me2.. We ll see .

btw, hardest fight for me for the ME trilogy was the archangel one, starting
ME2 with a vanguard at max level but with no bonus, meaning maxxed
enemies right form the start.

Modifié par alfonsedode, 17 janvier 2014 - 04:21 .

[capn233]

alfonsedode wrote...

btw, hardest fight for me for the ME trilogy was the archangel one, starting ME2 with a vanguard at max level but with no bonus, meaning maxxed enemies right form the start.

Yeah, the Archangel mission can be a bit tricky, especially if you get overly aggressive.  The shutter on the right is very annoying.

[Commander Michael]

capn233 wrote...

alfonsedode wrote...

btw, hardest fight for me for the ME trilogy was the archangel one, starting ME2 with a vanguard at max level but with no bonus, meaning maxxed enemies right form the start.

Yeah, the Archangel mission can be a bit tricky, especially if you get overly aggressive.  The shutter on the right is very annoying.

Yup, especially because you also have to worry about Garrus' health. 

[capn233]

Commander Michael wrote...

capn233 wrote...

alfonsedode wrote...

btw, hardest fight for me for the ME trilogy was the archangel one, starting ME2 with a vanguard at max level but with no bonus, meaning maxxed enemies right form the start.

Yeah, the Archangel mission can be a bit tricky, especially if you get overly aggressive.  The shutter on the right is very annoying.

Yup, especially because you also have to worry about Garrus' health. 

The thing I hate is that it seems there is always a Varren on the way to block the shutter no matter what the timing is when you get there and press the button.

The last time I played it I just whipped out the grenade launcher and emptied it as the door was shutting.

As far as the time goes, it does a decent job of adding pressure.  You can get away being pretty methodical though.

[Alfonsedode]

No news or video, i guess, it/Michael is dead ... again for now

[Blash]

I'm starting a Mass Effect 1 with both DLCs "dead is dead" run. Well, I'd rather call it a "no-reload" run. 

I need some advices, though. What are the critical points I should be paying attention to? I learned that fighting Thresher Maws on foot can save you from instant death, and that Soldier class with good heavy armor can save you from instant death from rockets and such things. Any other (non spoilering) advices?

Do the DLCs have particularly dangerous points, for example? Are there particular critical mission failures throughout the game?

 

 

P.S.: Hopefully it will be my fourth "no-reload" run after Drakensang: The Dark Eye, Baldur's Gate EE and Dragon Age: Origins. Seems I don't find any more fun in the "classic" way of playing

[sjsharp2011]

Sure, if you play cautiously enough, you can minimize the chance of accidents. 

Accidents that have happened to me in ME3 that come to mind:
 - Running into a grenade that I never saw thrown (and was not highlighted)
 - Getting crushed by the Reaper on Tuchanka. More than once.
 - Leviathan DLC: getting killed by an orbiting Harvester when trying to rescue Ann Bryson at the Dig Site.
 - Leviathan DLC: getting hit from behind by a Reaper meteor on the Shipwreck and then killed by the Cannibals before I could turn around.

As for Thresher Maws in ME1, if you know where one is, it will always appear away from the Mako. Stay in one spot and jump with the Mako boosters when it shoots acid at you. If you move too much along the ground, it will go back underground where it can appear under you or beside you and then kill you in one melee hit.


Personally, I would hate playing the 20-40 hours it takes to play a game only to die a stupid death, but good luck.

same here I don't think I could or would try that as I doubt I could do that I've don the odd playthrough where I've only died once but that's about as good as it's got for me. I tend to get caught off guard by the ME1 thresher maws. I tend to be careful in the large open expansive areas as that's where they tend to appear most

[Vazgen]

While I probably can finish ME3 without dying (with a classic Energy Drain sniper Infiltrator), I won't even try doing that in ME2. I die enough times in ME2 to surpass all the ME1 and ME3 deaths combined! Collector Ship and Horizon, in particular. At least one death is guaranteed for me there. 

If I was masochistic enough to try this, I'd go with an Infiltrator through the entire trilogy. Probably that same ED sniper. I'll probably spend a lot of time running away like a coward in ME2. Infiltrator also makes landing on Earth in ME3 bearable. 

I imagine that if I were to die during Priority: Earth, I would've uninstalled the game and deleted all the traces of Mass Effect from my PC never to be played again. I like the series too much to do that

[cap and gown]

Comparing Skyrim DisD with ME DisD doesn't make sense. In Skyrim you can pick and choose your fights. If you are knowledgeable, you don't much have to fight at all until you have already built up a powerful character. Basically, you run around gathering crafting resources, making potions, weapons, etc., selling them to buy ever more enchantments, and doing quests with little to no fighting. In ME you don't have that luxury of putting off battles until your character is super OP.

 

I have gone through Skyrim a number of times on master difficulty without ever dying simply because I avoided serious fighting until I had crafted OP armor and weapons. Such an option is simply not there in ME.

[Vazgen]

Comparing Skyrim DisD with ME DisD doesn't make sense. In Skyrim you can pick and choose your fights. If you are knowledgeable, you don't much have to fight at all until you have already built up a powerful character. Basically, you run around gathering crafting resources, making potions, weapons, etc., selling them to buy ever more enchantments, and doing quests with little to no fighting. In ME you don't have that luxury of putting off battles until your character is super OP.

 

I have gone through Skyrim a number of times on master difficulty without ever dying simply because I avoided serious fighting until I had crafted OP armor and weapons. Such an option is simply not there in ME.

Skyrim DiD has its own problems Those killcams. And bears. And falling down a cliff

[cap and gown]

Skyrim DiD has its own problems Those killcams. And bears. And falling down a cliff

 

RUN!!!

 

Seriously, I was chasing down a goat for its horns (I needed more lamps in my house) and it ran right into a snow bear. I was only at level 12 so I turned around, cast a familiar, and ran like crazy. I managed to escape, though I wasn't sure I would make it. Lots of stamina potions.