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#1201
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Almostfaceman wrote...

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Please let me know how it works (Ashley Romance Mod v2) as soon as possible so I know whether I've wasted time or not.


It may be a little while before I can test Ashley romance out, my current playthrough is Liara. But, I'll look at my previous saves/careers and see what I can do.

I don't think I've installed the Ashley Romance mod before, does it have any issues with the T-shirt/hospital mesh/texture mod? I think you've kept things modular - so they're aren't - I'm just double-checking.


The romance mod is totally separate from the hospital mod, and the textures.  The original romance textures are also different from the hospital...bra vs tshirt in romance vs hospital (if you want to call that a tshirt...hence why I made the hospital mod - for which Ottemis graciously provided the texture to go with it).

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@geotorex.

Perhaps I should elaborate on my goal:
- Replace her pink suit with the Ajax suit. This was completed in most part thanks to your help. (Thanks again!)

- I replaced her breather mask with a modified umbra visor (it formed a combat monocle of sorts

- Am now trying to replace that monocle with an actual combat helmet, The helmet fits on fine now, but hair pokes through the helmet.

Thoughts / Idea
- I suspect that somewhere in the mesh file is something that makes the immediate layers underneath disappear.
- Breather masks do not seem to interact with the hair in any manner.

EDIT:
- Tried loading the new Ash romance mod via modmaker. Same issue as before. I suspect the modmaker suite is busted...again.

- May i make a suggestion? Could you include a folder with the raw files so that users could have the option to do it psedu manually. Just leave the mesh and the relevent dds files in it, so we're not dependent on whether me3explorer is stable or not again.

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also just to show you what am talking about:

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There must be something somewhere which toggles whether or not the hair is replaced with the helmet.

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survivor_686 wrote...

@geotorex.

Perhaps I should elaborate on my goal:
- Replace her pink suit with the Ajax suit. This was completed in most part thanks to your help. (Thanks again!)

- I replaced her breather mask with a modified umbra visor (it formed a combat monocle of sorts

- Am now trying to replace that monocle with an actual combat helmet, The helmet fits on fine now, but hair pokes through the helmet.

Thoughts / Idea
- I suspect that somewhere in the mesh file is something that makes the immediate layers underneath disappear.
- Breather masks do not seem to interact with the hair in any manner.

EDIT:
- Tried loading the new Ash romance mod via modmaker. Same issue as before. I suspect the modmaker suite is busted...again.

- May i make a suggestion? Could you include a folder with the raw files so that users could have the option to do it psedu manually. Just leave the mesh and the relevent dds files in it, so we're not dependent on whether me3explorer is stable or not again.


OK, there is clearly some sort of switch involved when a pcc has a helmet (or mask like Liara's) that affects the hair (or tentacles). 

I wonder about something you could try.  If it fails then you just replace the pcc with the original and TOCbinUpdate.  Take her default armor pcc and make a copy - name it the same as the pink catsuit pcc file.  Add your Ajax armor and helmet mod to that.  If the game will accept it then it will do the magic hair elimination for you.

I've never tried this but have wondered if it would work.  The benefit is that the default armor pcc already has whatever switch included that allows the helmet to go on and off, turning the hair on and off, as needed.  

As for the Ashley romance mod v2...I just ran it on my system and it applied without trouble.  I cannot, yet, try it out but I had no problem applying it.  I can provide the components so you can download and apply them manually if you wish.  I have no idea why there's a problem for you.  I believe Almostfaceman was able to apply it without issue as well.  I'll get all the components together (mesh and textures) and provide a link shortly so you can do it that way.

Modifié par Getorex, 11 janvier 2014 - 11:31 .


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survivor_686: Here's the components of the Ashley Romance Mod: https://www.mediafir...st5ledl/ASH-ROM

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Modifié par Getorex, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:36 .


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Getorex wrote...

As for the Ashley romance mod v2...I just ran it on my system and it applied without trouble.  I cannot, yet, try it out but I had no problem applying it.  I can provide the components so you can download and apply them manually if you wish.  I have no idea why there's a problem for you.  I believe Almostfaceman was able to apply it without issue as well.  I'll get all the components together (mesh and textures) and provide a link shortly so you can do it that way.


Yup, just installed it, no problems applying it. Will test it out soon. Using the latest svn build of ME3Explorer.

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 Okay it worked, here are the issue's I noticed. First, there's a noticeable seam where her hair and forehead meet:

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 Here are the lighting issues I noticed, mainly with the arms I suppose:

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and here:

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and here:

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Still... you got her nekkid and no crashes. ;)

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Damn. I hoped the new normal map would fix that. Would you try the normal map above instead? It is an edited version of the original and may fix the seams.

Experimental.  Here:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/16638594/49#17773537

Modifié par Getorex, 12 janvier 2014 - 03:02 .


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Getorex wrote...

Damn. I hoped the new normal map would fix that. Would you try the normal map above instead? It is an edited version of the original and may fix the seams.

Experimental.  Here:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/16638594/49#17773537


Sure, how do I apply a .dds file? Thanks.

Edit: I see you supplied components for another person for this mod, but I don't know how to apply those or make a mod out of them - and do I have to "unistall" what I've installed already or will this .dds file overwrite the previous one? I'll be checking out the me3explorer forum to see if I can find answers - if I do figure this out before you reply I'll let you know.

Edit 2: Looks like someone at the me3explorer forum is already working on texture-exclusive tools and even a way to install "raw" .dds files, which I guess I could have used if it were ready. Here's the thread: me3explorer.freeforums.org/post6823.html#p6823

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 12 janvier 2014 - 05:16 .


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I just tested the new Ashley romance normal based on the original.  It works perfectly, eliminating the seams.  I've included it in Ashley-Romance-Fullv3.zip in the OP.  

I did successfully edit the default romance normal, removing the bra lines, in Gimp and then reconverting it to v8u8 format as needed.  

To edit normal maps with Gimp - use DirectX SDK or (as in my case) the legacy NVidia dds utilities (nvdxt in particular) to convert the extracted normal map to u888 format (make a copy with new name so you keep the original handy).  Open and edit this in Gimp, export to the same dds, reconvert to v8u8 with nvdxt or other tool.  Import it back into the game.  It's good to go.

This works with Paint.Net too so you do not need to buy or pirate Photoshop to do this, you can use Gimp or Paint.Net.

Modifié par Getorex, 12 janvier 2014 - 01:40 .


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If you downloaded the new v3 of the Ashley romance mod shortly after its appearance, you should redownload it as I corrected a glitch not long after posting it.  

I just re-uploaded the Ashley Romance mod because I caught a normal map issue I missed the first time. You could still see bra lines on one shoulder so I re-edited that part of the normal map, repacked the mod, and uploaded it. Try re-downloading the mod now and it will contain the new normal map.

Modifié par Getorex, 12 janvier 2014 - 06:01 .


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A few screenshots to compare with those posted above by Almostfaceman. These are with the new normal map, based on the original, while those above were with the older mod. The seams are CLEARLY visible (and distracting) in the original mod but now they are much more subdued. This mod, besides the texture change, includes the ME1 face mod and body mods (smaller breasts, narrowed hips, smaller butt), making Ashley less a voluptuous pin-up girl and more an athletic/military woman.

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Modifié par Getorex, 12 janvier 2014 - 08:09 .


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Yes, on my end the romance mod for Ash is a big step in the right direction. Using the Ash face mod, her uniform mod as well, this romance scene plays out fine.

One issue, I also tried the Ash clear helmet mod, it locked up the loading after the romance scene, right after you pick EDI and Ash for the Cerberus Base assault. I did confirm this mod was the issue by uninstalling it and trying again - with no helmet mod the Cerberus Base mission loaded fine.

I haven't tried the Ash combat armor mod yet.

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Getorex wrote...

A few screenshots to compare with those posted above by Almostfaceman. These are with the new normal map, based on the original, while those above were with the older mod. The seams are CLEARLY visible (and distracting) in the original mod but now they are much more subdued. This mod, besides the texture change, includes the ME1 face mod and body mods (smaller breasts, narrowed hips, smaller butt), making Ashley less a voluptuous pin-up girl and more an athletic/military woman.


Hate to be the one to do it, but you may consider adding a black bar or some such to the first picture...;)

Irregardless of that, superb job.

Modifié par Chashan, 12 janvier 2014 - 07:59 .


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Chashan wrote...

Getorex wrote...

A few screenshots to compare with those posted above by Almostfaceman. These are with the new normal map, based on the original, while those above were with the older mod. The seams are CLEARLY visible (and distracting) in the original mod but now they are much more subdued. This mod, besides the texture change, includes the ME1 face mod and body mods (smaller breasts, narrowed hips, smaller butt), making Ashley less a voluptuous pin-up girl and more an athletic/military woman.


Hate to be the one to do it, but you may consider adding a black bar or some such to the first picture...;)

Irregardless of that, superb job.


There...pixelated.  And thank you.

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Looks great, excelent job. How hard would it be, to use the knowledge you gathered with Ashley´s mod and do the same for Trainor? (showering in underwear is ridiculous)

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M0rf3usTHEbEST wrote...

Looks great, excelent job. How hard would it be, to use the knowledge you gathered with Ashley´s mod and do the same for Trainor? (showering in underwear is ridiculous)


I had that very thought today as I was futzing about the house.  I was thinking of editing Traynor for both that shower scene (I've only seen the Youtube vids of it...RIDICULOUS) and for her scene using Shepard's bath on the Citadel.  I could probably modify Ashley's diff texture to work for the bathtub scene and even use it as is for the shower scene (they don't show below the waist do they?).  Also, does femshep also have clothes on in the shower?  

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Yes she does go into shower in her casual wear <_<
If I remember corectly, there is no closeup below the waist.

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I ran the Ash default armor mod no problems after the romance scene (the Cerberus mission). So far it's only the clear helmet mod that's kept me from loading the mission.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

I ran the Ash default armor mod no problems after the romance scene (the Cerberus mission). So far it's only the clear helmet mod that's kept me from loading the mission.


Ok, I can try recreating that particular mod.

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M0rf3usTHEbEST wrote...

Yes she does go into shower in her casual wear <_<
If I remember corectly, there is no closeup below the waist.


That's good. It means I can recycle Ashley's romance textures virtually unchanged.  Traynor's body mesh is nearly finished.  It looks like I'll have to try and find femshep's romance body and swap it out for a partially unclothed one too...the texture may be an isse since shep is different from everyone else.  

Femshep is in her casual clothes?(!)  The whole time?  I'll have to fish around because I have no idea where to look for that.

Modifié par Getorex, 12 janvier 2014 - 10:49 .


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Speaking of Traynor, wasn't there a Male Shep/Traynor mod being floated about out there somewhere?

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If Femshep is wearing her casual/duty uniform when she goes into the shower with Traynor, there's nothing I can do about that (without likely making that uniform topless and panties all the time). What is she wearing after the shower?