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[Ieldra]

In particular, I'm interested in how many players chose a "heroic sacrifice", i.e. to kill the archdemon themselves without having done Morrigan's ritual. 

Does anyone have information about this?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

There've been numerous forum polls, but damned if I could refer you to one, sorry. :/ You'd probably have to try your luck going back through past posts.

Bioware would have the more solid breakdown if that's what you're after. You could always try your luck messaging one of the devs.

[ejoslin]

I don't think they ever released the data. I don't know, though, most people around here seem to have done both. And since there are achievements for Loghain sacrificing himself, the warden dying, ordering Alistair to die (heh, that ticks off alimancers because if there's one thing they're not doing, it's ordering him to die), and doing the DR, a great number of people have probably done them all.

[cJohnOne]

I've done all of those but my first finish was an Ultimate Sacrifice with a dwarf. Now I always do the Dark Ritual because I think the old god baby is so interesting. Not that we'll see it in DA3:Inquistion, Oh well.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 04 mai 2013 - 03:18 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I've done every ending except Ultimate Sacrifice, because (#$*( that with a halberd.

[Bhryaen]

I actually didn't want to do the Ult Sac ending until much later but was forced by some game glitch into it on my first playthrough: Alistair disappeared from the party after Landsmeet as if executed even though I'd executed Loghain (and put his daughter on the throne)- and my character Kruklya couldn't yum-yum with Morrigan, so no Dark Ritual... That didn't stop Loghain's disembodied voice from showing up through every cutscene to the end, and Alistair's disembodied voice showing up at the gate to chastize Kruklya for not choosing him to go to the Archdemon. lol ... Not content for that character to have died off due to a measly game glitch (she'd have been more than willing to do Morrigan's magic fix), I replayed Landsmeet to spare Loghain so Kruklya could live... Alas, Alistair sacrificed himself to drink so Kruklya wouldn't have to sacrifice herself to dragon.

As to the Bioware telemetry stats on DAO, I was curious about this myself when I saw the thread- just what stats are available and about what game aspects- but after plenty of searching I couldn't find it anywhere on the web, so I assume what ejoslin says is true- EA just ain't releasing it. What I did find was that they may have considered it almost a trade secret given how effective an in-house telemetry system was for troubleshooting and development purposes. This link is a powerpoint presentation that bespeaks marketing reasons to not just release information on their telemetry system freely to everyone given that they can make money from hoarding the methodology. Or maybe I just didn't search correctly and it's out there after all... *shrugs*

Modifié par Bhryaen, 04 mai 2013 - 04:36 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That sounds like something to hope I don't run into. What system was it on?

[Ieldra]

@Bhyraen:
I don't think it's a trade secret. This can't be difficult to program at all. As for why I'm interested - well, I think DAO has the best and most variable ending setup of all Bioware games I know, regarding the personal fates of the characters involved. I wish future games would take it as an example.

Also, there are arguments about how many people like a heroic sacrifice. I think it's a minority but a sizeable one. It's good to have the option - and good if you can avoid taking it without great repercussions, as in DAO you can always take either Alistair or Loghain with you - with little repercussions, or you can do the ritual if you find it interesting, as I usually do. There's something for everyone. It would've been nice to have some numbers to support my position.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 mai 2013 - 06:34 .

[Bhryaen]

@riverdaleswhiteflash
You mean that glitch w Alistair/ Loghain? I was on Vista at the time, DC origin, much fewer mods (no dialog fix mods, mostly appearance changers), not sure of all the other relevant details as it was my first time and I knew little of what to expect or look for. Could've been low approval w Alistair but immediately after Landsmeet he was there at Arl Eamon's and had disappointingly normal dialog to offer. It was when Kruklya left Arl Eamon's that suddenly Alistair was gone- not in the companion line-up, nor in the estate upon returning... Dunno.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

On PC? Oh, crud, that means I could run into it.

[emeraldtrader]

Moss: "What system are you using?"
Bomb squad cop: "Vista"
Moss: "Vista! we're all going to die!"

sorry. random reference from a British sit-com

[Forst1999]

The only thing I could find is from True Achievements :
37% of players earned the "Ultimate Sacrifice" achievement, 45% the "Dark Promise" one. The other endings had no achievements on their own on Xbox (16% got the achievement for seeing all endings).
Only 54% of players on that same side got the achievement for completing the landsmeet, so apparantly people who played several times or backtracked have to be considered.

[Bhryaen]

Wow! So there was an answer after all. Great link, Forst1999! So many curious tidbits about DAO players...

Nearly everyone who starts the game (91%) makes it through an origin and Ostagar, but only half (56%) recruit all the Treaty allies or (54%) ever make it through Landsmeet. Only 1/3 (32%) ever recruit all the possibly party members. Maybe they're counting Shale? Or people never manage to get Sten from the Lothering Witch of the Chantry. Only 84% ever kill over 100 darkspawn- heh- and only half (54%) kill 500- less than 1/3 kill 1000 (29%). (Some Gray Wardens they are!) Only 1/4 (25%) set foot in every part of the game. So a great deal of those who buy the game never really finish or explore much. Maybe that's normal for games. Ah, opening paragraph mentions that only 9.62% ever finish the main game. The DLC's all have near 100% completion, whatever that means.

Apparently 1/3 (29%) kill the Dalish?? That high? Sheesh. It's such a total evil move given that it traps the werewolves in their cruel fate forever- not to mention forcing the Lady of the Forest to linger on forever- and, well, kills the Dalish. Nearly 1 in 3... huh. As usual I don't have my finger on the pulse of the group I'm prognosticating about...

Bhelen gets 39% to Harrowmont getting 52%. Harrumph. Well, that's what dwarves get leaving human players in charge. I guess after helping the Mayor of Redcliffe, it seems right to help him again in Orzammar.

Only 59% ever save the Tower Mages from Uldred, eh? This compared to a whopping 42% that kill them. Well, Cullen would still be disappointed, but damn.

Only 58% ever use a Tome?? That's like my big goal from the start- save up to get the Tome from Bodahn twice.

So the most popular romance (47%) is Morrigan?? I mean, the voice actress, sure, but... And Zevran gets a very distant 2nd place (32%) to only just beat out Leliana (31%). And Alistair for all the gushing only gets 25% player romance interest. As funny as that sounds to me, I can't help wondering if that's incorrect. Really? Alistair's on the bottom? Well, if it's mostly hetero guy players anyway...

The preferred origins (played and completed) settle out fairly predictably with a couple surprises:
74% - HN
57% - Tower Mage (doesn't specify human or elf)
47% - DE
43% - CE
38% - DC
38% - DN

So for all the dismissiveness (which I've shared) toward the Dalish origin, they were 3rd even over City Elf. I don't really factor in any favoritism though: if my progress were counted I'd've been part of the "completed all origins" group early on... But there's that stat that has been bandied about from a quote by Gaider saying that only 5% ever play dwarves. Here it's saying nearly 40% complete both dwarf origin stories. Maybe it's only 5% of those who finish the game do so with a dwarf. Well, fine, but the telemetry should tell you that dwarves are still quite interesting to a large portion of the player base. Ah, well...

Modifié par Bhryaen, 08 mai 2013 - 03:58 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Is there any equivalent for PC players, or are they included in those stats?

[Bhryaen]

Well, it states "59,993 tracked gamers have this game, 5,771 have completed it (9.62%)." So I assume that cuts across game devices unless non-PC players have no access to the internet to be sending telemetry data through. (I know nothing of consoles- last one was my Atari 64.) If only PC players connect with the internet, then it seems they're entirely PC-user statistics.

I'm even more frustrated now though seeing that fully 35% got the Menacing achievement. I know I've used Intimidate way more than the 10 times supposedly required, so I have no idea why I haven't managed that one yet. It does say 10 "difficult" attempts, but I'm not sure what qualifies given how many ways I did. My mage kept doing them- and successfully- whenever she'd get them as conversation options- just because with her 14 STR it seemed ridiculous.

[Forst1999]

It's Xbox players with a more than normal interest in achievements.So remember it's not very representative. At most 54% played to the end (Landsmeet achievement is the closest number we get), I'd guess 30 something percent were out achievement-hunting and make some numbers not very conclusive. But we can see at least some tendencies.

[ejoslin]

I'm surprised that the number is as high as it is for recruiting all party members -- they're counting Loghain in that.

I think the reason why Leliana is so low is that she has a few bugs -- it's hard to get her into bed in the vanilla game -- you have to be really determined and may have to fight through some ugly bugs. I think the reason Alistair is so low is you have to play a female to get his achievement, and his approval has to be fairly high (71+) in order to get him into bed, which would take awhile for someone unless using a mod or cheat.

I'm actually surprised that Morrigan isn't higher.

51% make it to the battle of Denerim and select their party, and then 37% unlock the ultimate sacrifice, which seems to say that the exit data of fewer than 10% completed the game may be off.

ETA: I think this is only xbox users, not PC/PS3 users.  So Alistair's and Leliana's numbers are less of a surprise to me since mods and cheats aren't used.

Modifié par ejoslin, 08 mai 2013 - 11:19 .