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[S.A.K]

According to Legion, the Quarians attacked the Dyson Sphere and the Geth were afraid they would be wiped out. So they accepted a Reaper alliance. When Shepard gets there, Geth are completely under Reaper control with a Dreadnought transmitting a signal with Legion connected to a Reaper device inside it and a Reaper was hiding inside a bunker on Rannoch.

The info on the Destroyed Sphere.:
"Most of the space stations are wreckage now, and no small number of solar sails have also been destroyed. It appears the quarians began to destroy them but were stopped before the attack was complete."

There seems to be a problem here. I can see two ways of this happening.

Option 1:
A Reaper was passing by exactly when the Quarian were firing on the Dyson Sphere and somehow sneak on to the surface of the planet and found a bunker almost exactly matching it's size and hide there without anyone noticing. Not only that, it somehow also managed to install all that Reaper tech inside the Geth Dreadnought and hook Legion upto it and start transmitting before the Quarians could even completely destroy that thing. So all that must have happened in a matter of hours.

  
This Reaper was hiding...

....inside this huge bunker almost exactly it's size.

Option 2:
The Reaper was already in that bunker which was made to house it when the Quarians attacked. All that Reaper stuff was install on the Dreadnought. Which means the Geth were already allied with the Reapers when the Quarians attacked but were just not under Reaper control.

Option 1 seems to be the one Legion tells you ingame and accepted by most players correct?

Thoughts?

Modifié par S.A.K, 05 mai 2013 - 04:56 .

[David7204]

It's just a big hole with metal plating. I don't think it would be that hard for the Reaper to build in a month.

A geth dreadnought went to the Reapers and had the hardware installed. A Reaper was sent to Rannoch as a short-range backup. Simple.

Modifié par David7204, 05 mai 2013 - 05:05 .

[S.A.K]

David7204 wrote...

It's just a big hole with metal plating. I don't think it would be that hard for the Reaper to build in a month.

A geth dreadnought went to the Reapers and had the hardware installed. A Reaper was sent to Rannoch as a short-range backup.

The thing is, the Reaper didn't have months and it couldn't have without the Geth noticing. It's only 17 days since the Quarians initial attack and Legion says Geth were not allied with the Reapers back then.

I don't see why that dreadnought would have Reaper tech installed (orthodox Geth don't use Reaper tech) so it can transmit a Reaper command signal. If it was installed it must mean Geth were already allied with Reapers.

[Khelish]

This thread will end well... 

[David7204]

Okay, so it was built in two weeks. That's still not a problem. Hell, I'm betting super efficient and tireless machines with futuristic technology like the geth could build such a thing in hours.

The geth dreadnought wasn't equipped with Reaper tech initially. It sought out a Reaper and had it installed.

Man, this looks a lot better on PC.

Modifié par David7204, 05 mai 2013 - 05:08 .

[Phatose]

You know, if I didn't know about the Reaper, I'd say that was an ICBM silo.

And really, that dreadnought didn't seem to have much Reaper tech. 1 room all hooked into Legion. Ever want a demonstration of exactly how quickly tech can be moved into a room and hooked into somebody, end up in the ICU. It don't take a week.


And as always, the huge problem is one of the negative.  Suppose the Geth did ally with the Reapers before the Quarians attacked.

Why did the Reapers let the Quarians destroy the Geth megastructure?  Why did they not bother to turn things around before then?

Well, we all know.  Because the Geth hadn't allied with them before that.


Good lord.  If people spent as much time thiking up wacky conspiracy theories about the Turians as they do the Geth, half the forum would be killing Garrus.

Modifié par Phatose, 05 mai 2013 - 05:13 .

[David7204]

Yeah. It could be a repurposed silo or something like that.

[S.A.K]

^care to explain how the Reaper managed to get in there within that small time frame without the Geth realizing and how it installed that stuff and hook Legion up to it within the time it took to destroy the Dyson Sphere.

Modifié par S.A.K, 05 mai 2013 - 05:16 .

[David7204]

What are you talking about? The geth allowed the Reapers to install the hardware. That was basically the deal. The Reapers didn't do it under the geth's noses.

Modifié par David7204, 05 mai 2013 - 05:17 .

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

You know, if I didn't know about the Reaper, I'd say that was an ICBM silo.

And really, that dreadnought didn't seem to have much Reaper tech. 1 room all hooked into Legion. Ever want a demonstration of exactly how quickly tech can be moved into a room and hooked into somebody, end up in the ICU. It don't take a week.

And as always, the huge problem is one of the negative.  Suppose the Geth did ally with the Reapers before the Quarians attacked.

Why did the Reapers let the Quarians destroy the Geth megastructure?  Why did they not bother to turn things around before then?

Well, we all know.  Because the Geth hadn't allied with them before that.


Good lord.  If people spent as much time thiking up wacky conspiracy theories about the Turians as they do the Geth, half the forum would be killing Garrus.

Simple, Geth were not under Reaper control back then. They were just allies and there there is only one Reaper there as far as I can tell.

Well the Turians didn't ally with Reapers...

[S.A.K]

David7204 wrote...

What are you talking about? The geth allowed the Reapers to install the hardware. That was basically the deal. The Reapers didn't do it under the geth's noses.

How did that 160m long Reaper install anything in there? Also how did the Reaper get there without anyone knowing. If they did what you say, the Reaper must have been there when the Quarians came.

[Whybother]

The Geth were baking a giant cake for the returning Quarians in that silo. Really, it's a cake, go into the silo kids!

[Phatose]

Right. Because it's not like the Reapers look for allies to the extent that they use zombie making machines and mind control to make them.

Look man.....

Assume that Reaper landed on Earth today.

Do you really think, nowhere on this entire *planet* is a hole of the right size and shape for it to crawl into?

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

Right. Because it's not like the Reapers look for allies to the extent that they use zombie making machines and mind control to make them.

Look man.....

Assume that Reaper landed on Earth today.

Do you really think, nowhere on this entire *planet* is a hole of the right size and shape for it to crawl into?

Not what I was asking. How the hell did the Reaper get there in the first place and do all that stuff without the Geth realizing it. How long do you think it took for the Quarians to destroy the Dyson Sphere?

[Whybother]

Phatose wrote...

Right. Because it's not like the Reapers look for allies to the extent that they use zombie making machines and mind control to make them.

Look man.....

Assume that Reaper landed on Earth today.

Do you really think, nowhere on this entire *planet* is a hole of the right size and shape for it to crawl into?

Yankee Stadium would be perfect

[shodiswe]

It took several Days....

You are told this by the Quarian Admirals.. Wiping out a sentient species takes time and the attack began in the outer Geth systems.

Building an interface in the dreadnaught mightnot have taken more than an hour or two for the Geth.

When building homes for the quarians they did in weeks what woudl have taken the Quarians years.

When Shepard first meet the Admirals Reegar tells us the Quarians began the attack 17 Days ago... That's more than half a month back.

Modifié par shodiswe, 05 mai 2013 - 05:30 .

[David7204]

I'm sure the Reapers just transmitted schematics and instructions. The geth would have followed them and manufactured and installed the hardware themselves.

The quarians didn't fight their way to Rannoch immediately. The assault took days, and Rannoch was still under geth control the whole time. The Reaper simply arrived in the meantime.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...
Not what I was asking. How the hell did the Reaper get there in the first place and do all that stuff without the Geth realizing it. How long do you think it took for the Quarians to destroy the Dyson Sphere?

It doesn't have to avoid the Geth.  The Geth are by that point under it's control because it transmitted code.

The only ones it has to worry about the Quarians, and they're laughably incompetent even when Reaper boosted Geth aren't blowing them up.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

It took several Days....

You are told this by the Quarian Admirals..

After the inital attack yes. But Legion says they allied with Reapers when the Quarians destroyed the Dyson Sphere. Not before that. It don't explain how a 160m Reaper managed to sneak inside a Geth missile silo or what ever without them seeing it.

[Phatose]

That's actually pretty easy. The Quarian fleet is entirely in one location. Planets rotate. It lands on the other side.

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...
Not what I was asking. How the hell did the Reaper get there in the first place and do all that stuff without the Geth realizing it. How long do you think it took for the Quarians to destroy the Dyson Sphere?

It doesn't have to avoid the Geth.  The Geth are by that point under it's control because it transmitted code.

The only ones it has to worry about the Quarians, and they're laughably incompetent even when Reaper boosted Geth aren't blowing them up.

No they were not. According to Legion the Reapers took control *after* Geth accepted their offer. Logics man.

[Phatose]

How long exactly do you suggest it takes for ancient machine space gods to broadcast source code to modern synthetics races?

Geth:  Oh Noes!  The creators are kiling us all again in a totally unforeseen attack!  Machine gods, help us!
Reapers:  OK, here, have this code.  I'll be there in 20 minutes.

Wanna know how long it takes for a Reaper to show up if it has a reason?

Go into an occupied system and door sensor sweeps.  Suckers move.

Modifié par Phatose, 05 mai 2013 - 05:33 .

[Whybother]

shodiswe wrote...
You are told this by the Quarian Admirals.. Wiping out a sentient species takes time and the attack began in the outer Geth systems.

The Geth are just machines, and machines can be broken.

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

That's actually pretty easy. The Quarian fleet is entirely in one location. Planets rotate. It lands on the other side.

I am asking how it got there without Geth realizing. Legion says they didn't ally with the Reapers until Quarians destroyed the mega stucture. Why were they hiding a Reaper if they were not allied with them? Do you want a link to hear that cconversation again?

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...

That's actually pretty easy. The Quarian fleet is entirely in one location. Planets rotate. It lands on the other side.

I am asking how it got there without Geth realizing. Legion says they didn't ally with the Reapers until Quarians destroyed the mega stucture. Why were they hiding a Reaper if they were not allied with them? Do you want a link to hear that cconversation again?

Show me that the order of events is not "Geth ally with Reapers, Reaper warps in, Hides in existing hole".