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[Morlath]

Geth - You created us.
Quarian - Yes.
G - We gain sentience and you tried to kill us.
Q - Yes.
G - We fought back and there were a lot of causalities on both sides.
Q - Yes.
G - Every time you find one of our units or think you can destroy us completely, you attack.
Q - Yes.
G - You're attacking us now.
Q - Yes

....

Geth thinks - Gee, I wonder if they'll accept peace...

This is not a logical assumption.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

What we have here is failure to communicate. I don't like this anymore than you do.

The writers weren't clear about several things, but then they wrote the characters, and I didn't. Both sides omit important things. It is very possible that the reapers sent the destroyer to Rannoch at the beginning of the invasion and it's been parked there ever since waiting. The reapers are very old and very patient. Starboy was aware of where the Geth were located, and it controls the reapers. They are its solution, and apparently it likes stirring the pot between organics and synthetics.

I would not have been surprised if the arrival of the reaper had everything to do about the severing of communications between the Geth and Quarians: i.e. Legion and Tali. After all, why would they want the Quarians and Geth to peacefully work out a settlement and work together? No, they wouldn't. They'd rather have them remain suspicious and at each others' throats, and preferably at war, thus once again proving that "the created will always rebel against their creators."

So I'm going to go along with the idea that the reaper has been there for 6 months, and has made a cozy little nest for itself and put out an offer immediately. I'd even go as far as to say it has been jamming Geth communications with the Quarians just to stir up things.

And so the Quarians get paranoid. The Geth get paranoid. Xen's weapon gets installed on all the ships once the reaper invasion is known to happen and the Quarians decide to go all in.

What baffles me is that the Quarians never sent a recon mission, but then they wouldn't have found out what was going on either, and finding Legion on Rannoch with a signal being jammed would be like finding a needle in a haystack, and there was a possibility the Geth would interpret it as an act of hostility anyway, and would have reached a consensus to take the reaper's offer earlier. So much speculation.

So the Quarians attack, then the Geth try to reach consensus, and do so. Within the 17 days Legion/Geth VI is shackled on the dreadnought to relay the signal to all Geth in the system, and the booster signal goes live just after the Quarians hit the array.

Honestly I believe there is probably another story to be told about Legion and its imprisonment in that thing. Legion may have resisted. We don't know, but being the most advanced of the Geth it was the most ideal candidate for the task. This may have been why it took 17 days to get Legion on board the dreadnought and in position. Pressure from a reaper can be pretty powerful, especially if the consensus was hacked once they reached consensus except for one hold out.

But like I said, all of this is speculation.

(pls note that I use "it" for Legion because Geth do not have gender and Legion has not specified preference. It does not mean I lessen Legion's status. EDI on the other hand has specified identification as female.)

[David7204]

The writers are not obligated to present the technical details of everything in the game. No story does that. As long as there's a plausible solution and the details are unimportant to the narrative, it isn't a problem.

Modifié par David7204, 06 mai 2013 - 05:20 .

[shodiswe]

The thing about guessign there might be a reaper isn't the same as knowing, but after Tuchanke it isn't hard to guess that there is at least a 50% probability that the indication of reaper involvement will involve a Reaper.

It's part of the theme of the Reaper war, the Reapers are everywhere and they are Always a step ahead of you, poisoning, manipulating and massmurderign people.

It's not that one could "know" that it would be there but I guess one could suspect the possibility. If a reaper destroyer bothered trying to spread poison and disease on Tuchankla using the Shroud facility then it isn't very far off to think tha one might be lurking on Rannoch given that the Geth have been "manipulated and coerced" into cooperation.

But it's not something you can know, it's merely a reasonable guess. But given the importance of the Geth and the Quarians during the Reaepr war, bith has a fleet with firepower that rivals that of the Turians even if most of the Quarian shisp are fragile glass cannons that have been relying on trickery and flashbangs to get by.

However, in most cases no "defences" or supperior hulls and Shields matters in a fight against the Reapers since they will cut right through most defences with one or two blasts.

In that case a glass cannon could be just as good when fighting Reapers sicne defences are mostly pointless, only offensive vapabilities matter since that "could" hurt the enemy and stop the incomming damage output.

So I would say it makes sense that the Reapers would get involved and atempt to incite fighting and destruction of two of the largest fleets in the galaxy. The Geth armada and the Quarian Flotilla.

I still think the reapers were behind the Quarians new toy the "flashbang", the timeing is too perfect, it's hard to belive in "coincidences" with timing like that. All they would had to do was deliver the idea through indoctrinated agents to get the Quarians going.
The Quarians would then test it, work out it's bugs and learn how to use it.
It's funny how Tali who one of the most briliant Quarian engineers and expert on the Geth claimed that most of the research was beyond her understanding and that she hadn't seen anything like it Before.

Sounds very Reaperish to me, and the timing was impeckable for sowing Death, destruction and weakening the galaxy for the Reaper invasion. Also, the Tech would only work on the True geth, not the Reapers or their Heretic allies. It seems very convenient.

It's also funny how Tali is worried about her father becoming the worst warcrimial in Quarian history for his experiment on those Geth. Yet, in ME3 the Quarians deploys that tech on a massive scale.
But we also learn that Tali's father is in good Company with his ancestors who did similar experiments, they however lacked the technology to overcome the Geth Tech.
I guess they had no Reaper help back when they numbered billions and had more research capabilities than they would have had had later.

Tali is supposed to be the Quarians foremost expert on the Geth and she doesn't understand the Tech or hacking procedures that they were using.

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

I still think the reapers were behind the Quarians new toy the "flashbang", the timeing is too perfect, it's hard to belive in "coincidences" with timing like that.

Modifié par Khelish, 06 mai 2013 - 05:37 .

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

Geth - You created us.
Quarian - Yes.
G - We gain sentience and you tried to kill us.
Q - Yes.
G - We fought back and there were a lot of causalities on both sides.
Q - Yes.
G - Every time you find one of our units or think you can destroy us completely, you attack.
Q - Yes.
G - You're attacking us now.
Q - Yes
G - Will you be willing to start negotiations if it allows you to return home?
Q - Yes

So it's better to become slaves? Really?

P.s : I added a little more to your conversation so it even clearer to you.

[S.A.K]

David7204 wrote...

The writers are not obligated to present the technical details of everything in the game. No story does that. As long as there's a plausible solution and the details are unimportant to the narrative, it isn't a problem.

Sure, but in this case the info provided BY the writer disproves Legions explanation.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

@remydat, I already read that and considered that.
How long would it take for the Quarians  to destroy the Dyson Sphere? A few minutes at most.

Can you explain how they managed to install the Reaper gear plus Legion inside that Geth ship, clean up the silo and hide the Reaper in there and transmit the control signal even before Quarians could even destroy the mega structure? Think of it logically from a neutral view.

If Legion told that Reaper controlled them, Legion would also had to explain how it managed to get so far into the system and how it managed to seize control of the Geth in the first place with very limited transmittion capability. Reapre had limited range transmittion hence the Geth dreadnought was needed to transmit.

Have you even considered Legion could have lied about "Geth accepted Reaper offer after Quarians attacked the Dyson Sphere"?

You seem to think they just attacked an undefended Dyson Sphere.  The Dyson Sphere is the one place where the Geth can actually die so logically all the Geth ships retreating back to Tikkun would be defending it.  The Quarians would logically have to break the Geth line which would take hours if not days.  Or are you telling me the Geth retreated to Tikkun and then didn't bother to defend the one place that if taken out would actually result in their deaths?  That would be illogical.  

So no it did not take minutes.  Presumbly as the megastructure was being destroyed and the Geth kept trying to defend it to no avail, enough of the Geth died that they finally accepted the offer.  If the Quarians could break the Geth line in minutes, the war would not have been 17 days old and one of the most important things for the Geth to defend is the DS.  

No one knows about the limited range until Legion tells them.  This is a bit of a hindsight meta game argument because we know that the control was rather limited so we assume the people in the game would know that.  They don't.  There are any number of ways to control someone long range as QEC, hacking, and indoctrination prove.  Also, organics don't completely understand how indoctrination works but it still happens.  Legion could have told Shep he is not sure how they are doing it because it is not a requirment for being controlled for the person being controlled to understand how it is being done.  

And I told you why I didn't think Legion lied in the post you quoted.  It is like the last 2 paragraphs or so.

Modifié par remydat, 06 mai 2013 - 05:47 .

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

You seem to think they just attacked an undefended Dyson Sphere.  The Dyson Sphere is the one place where the Geth can actually die so logically all the Geth ships retreating back to Tikkun would be defending it.  The Quarians would logically have to break the Geth line which would take hours if not days.  Or are you telling me the Geth retreated to Tikkun and then didn't bother to defend the one place that if taken out would actually result in their deaths?  That would be illogical.  The megastructure is more important to them than Rannoch as it is where a sh*tload of Geth are housed.  

So no it did not take minutes.  Presumbly as the megastructure was being destroyed and the Geth kept trying to defend it to no avail, enough of the Geth died that they finally accepted the offer.  The bombardment continued and the Geth continued to defend it but sent a single dreadnought to get the Reaper signal installed.  Again, if the Quarians could break the Geth line in minutes, the war would not have been 17 days old.

No one knows about the limited range until Legion tells them.  This is a bit of a hindsight meta game argument because we know that the control was rather limited.  However, if that fact was never revealed Legion could have told them a completely different story as there are any number of ways to control someone long range as QEC, hacking, and indoctrination all do.  Also, organics don't completely understand how indoctrination works but it still happens.  Legion could have told Shep he is not sure how they are doing it because it is not a requirment for being controlled for the person being controlled to understand how it is being done.  

And I told you why I didn't think Legion lied in the post you quoted.  It is like the last 2 paragraphs or so.

Man really? Did you already forgot the flashbang think Quarians were using. Which means the defences doesn't mean sh!t. Do you remember how long it took for Quarians to destroy the whole Geth fleet if you side with them? So I stand by what I said, it couldn't have taken more than few minutes AT MOST.

"No one knows about the limited range" doesn't mean the Reaper didn't have limited range. If Legion did that Shepard would have caugh it way before he made the final choice on Rannoch. Don't treat Shepard or the person playing him/her as a fool.

I ask you again. What makes you think Legion didn't lie?

[remydat]

S.A.K

Except it still takes 17 days SAK.  If all it takes is minutes to break the Geth line then the War would not have lasted 17 days to begin with.  The codex on the Geth defeat gives the impression the complete defeat of the Geth after you make the decision still takes time as it says the Geth put up a valiant defense or something to that effect.  You are confusing the cut scene done for dramatic effect with the reality.  Do you expect the game to actually show it taking hours or days?

But Legion doesn't have to say anything.  He could say he does not know how it is controlling them.  Why does he have to know?  He doesn't.  You only think he has to know because you are shown that he does know.  This is like expecting TIM to know how he is being indoctrinated.  This dude spent years if not months study indoctrination and yet still doesn't know he is indoctrinated.  So why do you think Legion would know how the Geth are being controlled after just a few days if he chose to lie about it.

I don't think Legion lied because as I said, Shepard thought the Geth were forced by the Reapers.  He could have lied and as I said above simply claimed he was not sure how the Reapers were doing it just like how organics don't really know how they are indoctrinated.  There is nothing in the game that could disprove Legion.  Nothing.

Modifié par remydat, 06 mai 2013 - 06:00 .

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...

Geth - You created us.
Quarian - Yes.
G - We gain sentience and you tried to kill us.
Q - Yes.
G - We fought back and there were a lot of causalities on both sides.
Q - Yes.
G - Every time you find one of our units or think you can destroy us completely, you attack.
Q - Yes.
G - You're attacking us now.
Q - Yes
G - Will you be willing to start negotiations if it allows you to return home?
Q - Yes

So it's better to become slaves? Really?

P.s : I added a little more to your conversation so it even clearer to you.

You do not know this!

No amount of belief in the Quarians is proof that they are willing to accept peace with the Geth unless it's smashed over the damn heads. It is said IN GAME that the Admiralty decided war was better than peace.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K

Except it still takes 17 days SAK.  If all it takes is minutes to break the Geth line then the War would not have lasted 17 days to begin with.  The codex on the Geth defeat gives the impression the complete defeat of the Geth after you make the decision still takes time as it says the Geth put up a valiant defense or something to that effect.  You are confusing the cut scene done for dramatic effect with the reality.  Do you expect the game to actually show it taking hours or days?

But Legion doesn't have to say anything.  He could say he does not know how it is controlling them.  Why does he have to know?  He doesn't.  You only think he has to know because you are shown that he does know.  This is like expecting TIM to know how he is being indoctrinated.  This dude spent years if not months study indoctrination and yet still doesn't know he is indoctrinated.  So why do you think Legion would know how the Geth are being controlled after just a few days if he chose to lie about it.

I don't think Legion lied because as I said, Shepard thought the Geth were forced by the Reapers.  He could have lied and as I said above simply claimed he was not sure how the Reapers were doing it just like how organics don't really know how they are indoctrinated.  There is nothing in the game that could disprove Legion.  Nothing.

It was 17 days when Shepard arrived on the scene. And they say they started attacking 4 Geth systems 17 days ago. They can't traval from planet to planet instatantly and they can't retake a planet that fast. And the destruction of the Geth was pretty fast according to the codex.

Why wouldn't Legion know that? Legion even knew about the Base on Rannoch and the about the Reaper signal. And Legion can't expect to get Shepards support without telling anything.

As I said, if Legion would have to expain how a single Reaper with limited transmittion capability managed to control all Geth. I am sorry but it's hard to think Legion wasn't lying at this point. Do you think if the Geth did ally with Reapers before Quarians attacked, Legion would let Shepard know about it?

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...

Geth - You created us.
Quarian - Yes.
G - We gain sentience and you tried to kill us.
Q - Yes.
G - We fought back and there were a lot of causalities on both sides.
Q - Yes.
G - Every time you find one of our units or think you can destroy us completely, you attack.
Q - Yes.
G - You're attacking us now.
Q - Yes
G - Will you be willing to start negotiations if it allows you to return home?
Q - Yes

So it's better to become slaves? Really?

P.s : I added a little more to your conversation so it even clearer to you.

You do not know this!

No amount of belief in the Quarians is proof that they are willing to accept peace with the Geth unless it's smashed over the damn heads. It is said IN GAME that the Admiralty decided war was better than peace.

Yes I don't know for sure. I just showed it could happen that way. It was said the choice of war passed with a 3 to 2 votes. Raan only wanted to return home. So if there was a peaceful way, she would have changed her vote (you'll know that if you played ME2).

Now let me ask  you this: Did the Geth even try that before deciding to become Reaper slaves?

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Yes I don't know for sure. I just showed it could happen that way. It was said the choice of war passed with a 3 to 2 votes. Raan only wanted to return home. So if there was a peaceful way, she would have changed her vote (you'll know that if you played ME2).

Now let me ask  you this: Did the Geth even try that before deciding to become Reaper slaves?

Sherpard: Are the Geth willing to accept peace?

Legion: We didn't start the fight, we only wanted to live.

Korris: You'd be willing to live in peace?

Legion: Not without knowing that the Quarians want peace in the first place. 100% of the time that you've thought you could kill us, you've tried it.  So HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU?

www.youtube.com/watch

S.A.K. The words are right there and Korris doesn't refuse the accusation at all. He doesn't deny that the Quarians would rather attack and kill the Geth than listen to an offer of peace and that the Quarians would need to make the first move.

I don't know how much clearer it has to be.

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

Sherpard: Are the Geth willing to accept peace?

Legion: We didn't start the fight, we only wanted to live.

Korris: You'd be willing to live in peace?

Legion: Not without knowing that the Quarians want peace in the first place. 100% of the time that you've thought you could kill us, you've tried it.  So HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU?

www.youtube.com/watch

S.A.K. The words are right there and Korris doesn't refuse the accusation at all. He doesn't deny that the Quarians would rather attack and kill the Geth than listen to an offer of peace and that the Quarians would need to make the first move.

I don't know how much clearer it has to be.

You are avoiding the question buddy.

S.A.K wrote...

Yes I don't know for sure. I just showed it
could happen that way. It was said the choice of war passed with a 3 to
2 votes. Raan only wanted to return home. So if there was a peaceful
way, she would have changed her vote (you'll know that if you played
ME2).

Now let me ask  you this: Did the Geth even try that before deciding to become Reaper slaves?

Is what I said in any way wrong?

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...
Is what I said in any way wrong?

What you asked was...

S.A.K wrote...

Now let me ask you this: Did the Geth even try that before deciding to become Reaper slaves?

You are asking if the Geth ever tried opening peace dialogues with the Quarians. My reply is simple and quotes in-game conversation:

Sherpard: Are the Geth willing to accept peace?

Legion: We didn't start the fight, we only wanted to live.

Korris: You'd be willing to live in peace?

Legion: Not without knowing that the Quarians want peace in the first place. 100% of the time that you've thought you could kill us, you've tried it. So HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU?

You asked, I answered.

You can't ask the Geth to look for peace if there is no sign of it from the Quarians when their species is under threat.

Look at conflict in the world today. If two countries have been considered enemies for 300 years with only minor battles and then one country invades the other, is the one being invaded going to ask for peace or look to fight back?

[S.A.K]

@Morlath,
If the Geth were just fighting back you are right. But what the Geth did was become SLAVES (like Collectors) to the Reapers. Isn't even attempting to negotiate better than that?

If Shepard failed to stop the Reaper (with Quarian and Legions help) and Geth stayed as Reapers slaves, what then?
Give me one reason to think Raan wouldn't change her vote if they had a chance for peace and return home.

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

@Morlath,
If the Geth were just fighting back you are right. But what the Geth did was become SLAVES (like Collectors) to the Reapers. Isn't even attempting to negotiate better than that?

You keep avoiding the question and the point. The Geth are under attack from an enemy that has always attacked them when they beleived they could defeat the Geth.

At what point is it logical to assume this enemy will be willing to broker peace?

If Shepard failed to stop the Reaper (with Quarian and Legions help) and Geth stayed as Reapers slaves, what then?

Same thing with Husks and Banshees.

Give me one reason to think Raan wouldn't change her vote if they had a chance for peace and return home.

How is that relevant? The Geth don't know that the decision for war was only 3-2.

And I've given you answers about what sentient species do when they feel like they have nothing to lose, you avoided the comparisons by saying it wasn't strictly "selling their souls".

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

@Morlath,
If the Geth were just fighting back you are right. But what the Geth did was become SLAVES (like Collectors) to the Reapers. Isn't even attempting to negotiate better than that?

You keep avoiding the question and the point. The Geth are under attack from an enemy that has always attacked them when they beleived they could defeat the Geth.

At what point is it logical to assume this enemy will be willing to broker peace?

Yes you are right. But I am asking you is it logical to assum becoming Reaper slaves is better even than just attempting to talk first.

If Shepard failed to stop the Reaper (with Quarian and Legions help) and Geth stayed as Reapers slaves, what then?

Same thing with Husks and Banshees.

I am asking because Geth didn't even try before accpeting live like husks. Is that better than just trying to talk talk to the Quarians?

Give me one reason to think Raan wouldn't change her vote if they had a chance for peace and return home.

How is that relevant? The Geth don't know that the decision for war was only 3-2.

And I've given you answers about what sentient species do when they feel like they have nothing to lose, you avoided the comparisons by saying it wasn't strictly "selling their souls".

Because if the Geth have tried for peace, she would have changed her vote. Then there will be peace. Now can you say she wouldn't change her vote?

This is done in-game by a number of different people/species. Miranda's
loyalty mission in ME2 has a human selling his soul/betrying her to her
father. Saren gives up his soul for the chance to save organics, TIM
does the same in the belief it will save humanity.

You can argue
that the Dalatrass wanting to Shepard to betray the Krogan is her
selling her soul for an old hurt or at the very least trying to buy
Shepard's in return of her support. Udina sells his soul to Cerberus and
starts the failed Coup to take over the Citadel.

I tried looking for that soul thing everywhere. You posted it in nother thread. Now TIM and Seren did not become indoctrinated willingly so, they did not sell their soul and I don't know the 3rd example. Can you provide a link or something? And do husks have a soul? Cos that's pretty much how Geth are under Reaper control.

Modifié par S.A.K, 06 mai 2013 - 10:12 .

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Yes you are right. But I am asking you is it logical to assum becoming Reaper slaves is better even than just attempting to talk first.

If you agree that the Geth have no logical reason to believe that the Quarians will accept peace then that cannot be part of the equation. Once peace is taken off the table the Geth have only two options: 1) Fight on their own and risk the fight turning into a MAD situation or 2) Look for help.

If 2 then the only option for help is the Reapers. Again, logical assumptions.

I tried looking for that soul thing everywhere. You posted it in nother thread. Now TIM and Seren did not become indoctrinated willingly so, they did not sell their soul and I don't know the 3rd example. Can you provide a link or something? And do husks have a soul? Cos that's pretty much how Geth are under Reaper control.

Apologies, I've bounced around a few threads and thought the soul-selling was in this one.

If a species feel that they have no other choice but certain death or literally any other state then most of the time they will choose the other state rather than die. It's a natural part of being alive; the desire to keep living.

[shodiswe]

I don't give a damn about souls, don't belive in it. We are who we are til we die, then we are whatever people remember us for.

Who people are Changes as time goes on, because we forget soemthings, we learn new things, our molecues are replaced and copies of memories fade and sometiems mix with other memories or experiences.
And where our memories start failing we begin filling in the blanks and endup suplanting who we were, who we are and so on and so forth.

What would be more appropriate would be how eager you would be to betgray who you are and what you stand for.

But I'm not sure if the Geth did.

If for example I was alone and being hounded through a forest by a band of crazy hunters and mobsters shooting at me and  Ihad no chance of escaping... I I might actualy finde solace in setting of a massive WMD that blows them up, and their faimily firends and everyoen that they might have known in nearby town. I might be goign down but I'll be going down with a boom.
The Quarians gave them no alternative, but at least the Quarians won't win or be pissing on their graves so to speak.

So, yes, I would hae allied with the Reapers in a hearthbeat if everyone wanted me dead for no reason other than wanting to kill me and steal my stuff. Then geting revenge is absolutely worth it.
The Geth have nothign to loose and the Quarians voted no to negotiating for a peaceful settlement.
You can't negotiate or talk to an enemy who's only interest is to see your Death to secure their aquisition of your property.

If everyone in the whole galaxy is fine to see me dead then I woudln't feel bad about killing them either, at least I might get some revenge even if it isn't worth much. Kind of hollow, but at least they didn't get away with it.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 mai 2013 - 11:10 .

[Wayning_Star]

the story pretty much assures that you cannot 'ally' with reaperships. They only are there for harvest. IF you 'make a deal' with them, in that context, you are only serving them in that purpose. The reaperships DO NOT have a purpose. They merely harvest.

The Geth were never aggressors in the morning war or after, they seemed to of acquired a defensive offensive position in the MEU. The Quarians were, it seems, basic reactionaries. Over reaction is their stock and trade in the story. Even Tali was ate up with 'getting even'. I always wondered why Geth bothered with constructing and sending out Legion to investigate humans as a unique composite of organic materials, Soul seemed to interest them as much as that term confuses humans..

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath Geth - You created us.
Quarian - Yes.
G - We gain sentience and you tried to kill us.
Q - Yes.
G - We fought back and there were a lot of causalities on both sides.
Q - Yes.
G - Every time you find one of our units or think you can destroy us completely, you attack.
Q - Yes.
G - You're attacking us now.
Q - Yes
G - Will you be willing to start negotiations if it allows you to return home?
Q - Yes

So it's better to become slaves? Really?

P.s : I added a little more to your conversation so it even clearer to you.

You do not know this!

No amount of belief in the Quarians is proof that they are willing to accept peace with the Geth unless it's smashed over the damn heads. It is said IN GAME that the Admiralty decided war was better than peace.

Yes I don't know for sure. I just showed it could happen that way. It was said the choice of war passed with a 3 to 2 votes. Raan only wanted to return home. So if there was a peaceful way, she would have changed her vote (you'll know that if you played ME2).

Now let me ask  you this: Did the Geth even try that before deciding to become Reaper slaves?

Tali and legion were talking, the admiraltyboard and Quarian government didn't want to talk.
no matteg how much the Geth had begged for peace Gerrel would demand that they press their advantage and kill as many Geth as possible before they adapt and are able to mount a real defence.
The Geth are adaptive and given enough time they would have found their own solution.
This is probably why it took them 17 days accept help from the Reapers, they hoped they wouldn't need it.

[shodiswe]

The Quarians used very advanced viralprograms, far beyond anything Tali had seen. Probably something similar EDI's Reaperbased cyberwarfare suite or those viral programs that the Reapers gave the Heretics to fight the true Geth who had one of the largest fleets and standing armies in the galaxy, and likely some if the most advanced tech.
When did the Quarians recive aid from the reapers or servants of the reapers, maybe Rael made a deal with the Collectors?

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

The Quarians used very advanced viralprograms, far beyond anything Tali had seen. Probably something similar EDI's Reaperbased cyberwarfare suite or those viral programs that the Reapers gave the Heretics to fight the true Geth who had one of the largest fleets and standing armies in the galaxy, and likely some if the most advanced tech.
When did the Quarians recive aid from the reapers or servants of the reapers, maybe Rael made a deal with the Collectors?

Or they could have developed it themselves or they got it from Geth they were studying or the could get it from Santa Claus. Do you have anything to back that up?