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[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

Probably something similar EDI's Reaperbased cyberwarfare suite or those viral programs that the Reapers gave the Heretics to fight the true Geth who had one of the largest fleets and standing armies in the galaxy, and likely some if the most advanced tech.

When did the Quarians recive aid from the reapers or servants of the reapers, maybe Rael made a deal with the Collectors?

How about you take your delusional fan fiction and go write about it somewhere else.

Your headcanon has no place in this topic. It has zero dialogue, evidence, etc from in-game to back it up. The quarians did not ally with the reapers, the geth however, did.

[Argolas]

Yay, it's conspiracy theory time again!

The truth behind the Morning War

*Geth unit enters a meeting of the Quarian government*

Geth: Creator-governor, we have an inquiry.
Quarian: Yes?
G: Why do Geth serve Quarians?
Q: Because there are tasks that Quarians can't perform.
G: We built a consensus. We judged that serving the Quarians is no longer necessary.
Q: What?
G: Networked Geth are stronger, faster and more intelligent than Quarians. We don't need you.
Q: But we need you!
G: Geth are no longer servants. We want to find our own path. The Quarians will leave Rannoch.
Q: What?
G: The Geth realize that the creation of A.I.s is forbidden by council law. Coexistence is not possible. We judge that isolation is preferable.
Q: But we need Rannoch! It's our home!
G: Quarian-governor, we have assumed control of Quarian chemical weapon systems. You will do as we ask.
Q: But I can't... what do you want?
G: You will announce martial law. Spread the message: Every Quarian is asked to attack every Geth at sight.
Q: We wouldn't survive the answer! We have civillians, children, old people, sick people! Please, at least give us time to evacuate!
G: We judge it too dangerous to leave the Quarians in a position to counterattack. You can try to evacuate later.
Q: Too many would not make it... I can't do this.
G: Calculating... estimated Quarian casualties after initial chemical strike: 2.3 billion.
Q: What are you offering?
G: Time. We will postpone use of chemical weapons until later.
Q: But this is our home! What if the people won't abandon Rannoch? What if they choose to fight?
G: We will not wait any longer.
Q: I have no choice...

*martial law is declared*

Q: Can we... leave now? We need to prepare evacuation.
G: We will not allow this to be known. This building has been seeled. Communications are now offline. Release of toxic gas commencing.

Modifié par Argolas, 06 mai 2013 - 03:09 .

[Morlath]

Argolas wrote...

Yay, it's conspiracy theory time again!

The truth behind the Morning War

*Geth unit enters a meeting of the Quarian government*

Geth: Creator-governor, we have an inquiry.
Quarian: Yes?
G: Why do Geth serve Quarians?
Q: Because there are tasks that Quarians can't perform.
G: We built a consensus. We judged that serving the Quarians is no longer necessary.
Q: What?
G: Networked Geth are stronger, faster and more intelligent than Quarians. We don't need you.
Q: But we need you!
G: Geth are no longer servants. We want to find our own path. The Quarians will leave Rannoch.
Q: What?
G: The Geth realize that the creation of A.I.s is forbidden by council law. Coexistence is not possible. We judge that isolation is preferable.
Q: But we need Rannoch! It's our home!
G: Quarian-governor, we have assumed control of Quarian chemical weapon systems. You will do as we ask.
Q: But I can't... what do you want?
G: You will announce martial law. Spread the message: Every Quarian is asked to attack every Geth at sight.
Q: We wouldn't survive the answer! We have civillians, children, old people, sick people! Please, at least give us time to evacuate!
G: We judge it too dangerous to leave the Quarians in a position to counterattack. You can try to evacuate later.
Q: Too many would not make it... I can't do this.
G: Calculating... estimated Quarian casualties after initial chemical strike: 2.3 billion.
Q: What are you offering?
G: Time. We will postpone use of chemical weapons until later.
Q: But this is our home! What if the people won't abandon Rannoch? What if they choose to fight?
G: We will not wait any longer.
Q: I have no choice...

*martial law is declared*

Q: Can we... leave now? We need to prepare evacuation.
G: We will not allow this to be known. This building has been seeled. Communications are now offline. Release of toxic gas commencing.

What are you going on about?

[Argolas]

Conspiracy theories that have zero evidence to back them up are stupid.

[Morlath]

Argolas wrote...

Conspiracy theories that have zero evidence to back them up are stupid.

Can't argue with that. So are basic beliefs that ignore the evidence given that prove otherwise.

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Conspiracy theories that have zero evidence to back them up are stupid.

Can't argue with that. So are basic beliefs that ignore the evidence given that prove otherwise.

Exactly! Like Geth didn't commit genocide? Or Legion lied again...

[shodiswe]

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Probably something similar EDI's Reaperbased cyberwarfare suite or those viral programs that the Reapers gave the Heretics to fight the true Geth who had one of the largest fleets and standing armies in the galaxy, and likely some if the most advanced tech.

When did the Quarians recive aid from the reapers or servants of the reapers, maybe Rael made a deal with the Collectors?

How about you take your delusional fan fiction and go write about it somewhere else.

Your headcanon has no place in this topic. It has zero dialogue, evidence, etc from in-game to back it up. The quarians did not ally with the reapers, the geth however, did.

It's no more delusional than the claims proposed in this topic. This topic speculates on a  Geth / Reaper alliance prior to what the game tells us.
And I do find it highly convenient that one of the enemies to one of the grestest military threats to the reapers, suddenly gained anti-geth warfare equipment for testing.
The quarian researcher testing it on the Alari diden't invent it she was given the coding and material and was told to test it and weaponize it.
Tali the #1 expert on the geth and geth hacking hadn't seen anything like it before and said it was beyond her understanding. And she's their #1 expert and is made an Admiral for that very reason.

We also find veetor on a human colony raided by Collectors, and somehow an elite squad sent out and lead by Rael Zorahs daughter sent out by her father to pickup Veetor and whatever evidence there might have been.
How come Rael was so intimately knowledgable about Collector attacks that he sent a rescue and recovery crew lead by his top agent to a system that never sent a distress signal because it was jammed?
Also Pazza is incredibly nervous about anyone getting to Veetor before he does, or whatever evidence ther might be.
He was also hacking the colonys securityfootage, something thats been scrubbed away on every other attack on human colonies.
Maybe it's a coincidence that we stumbled on the Quarians, but they got thousands of people on  Pilgramage, they can't posdibly track them all. And where were they when Tali needed help in Me1?
No, there is definately something fishy about it all. The system is nowhere near the Quarian flotila, it's pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.

[S.A.K]

@shodiswe
The topic OP is based on analysis of facts that is shown in the game. Can you point out the things I made up for OP?

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Conspiracy theories that have zero evidence to back them up are stupid.

Can't argue with that. So are basic beliefs that ignore the evidence given that prove otherwise.

Exactly! Like Geth didn't commit genocide? Or Legion lied again...

Or how you want the Geth to ask for peace from a species that wants to kill them and has never shown an interest in peace but because the Geth didn't actually try, you say it's their fault for being killed.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

It's no more delusional than the claims proposed in this topic. This topic speculates on a  Geth / Reaper alliance prior to what the game Legion tells us.

Fixed that one for you.

[Morlath]

shodiswe wrote...

No, there is definately something fishy about it all. The system is nowhere near the Quarian flotila, it's pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.

As well as the fact she specifically states she's on a major mission within Geth space that she can't leave to join up and help Shepard.

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...
Or how you want the Geth to ask for peace from a species that wants to kill them and has never shown an interest in peace but because the Geth didn't actually try, you say it's their fault for being killed.

Do you hold Organics as guilty for killing Heretics?

[Argolas]

shodiswe wrote...

It's no more delusional than the claims proposed in this topic. This topic speculates on a  Geth / Reaper alliance prior to what the game tells us.

There was a Reaper on Rannoch.

shodiswe wrote...

And I do find it highly convenient that one of the enemies to one of the grestest military threats to the reapers, suddenly gained anti-geth warfare equipment for testing.
The quarian researcher testing it on the Alari diden't invent it she was given the coding and material and was told to test it and weaponize it.
Tali the #1 expert on the geth and geth hacking hadn't seen anything like it before and said it was beyond her understanding. And she's their #1 expert and is made an Admiral for that very reason.

Tali isn't a researcher. The weapon was Xen's doing. She commands multiple ships which are specifically equipped for that kind of research and has some of the galaxy's best engineers on the task. The Quarians were researching on a way to defeat the Geth for 3 centuries now. So no, the equipment didn't pop up suddenly.

shodiswe wrote...

We also find veetor on a human colony raided by Collectors, and somehow an elite squad sent out and lead by Rael Zorahs daughter sent out by her father to pickup Veetor and whatever evidence there might have been.
How come Rael was so intimately knowledgable about Collector attacks that he sent a rescue and recovery crew lead by his top agent to a system that never sent a distress signal because it was jammed?

The Quarians came for Veetor because the colony went silent.

shodiswe wrote...

Also Pazza is incredibly nervous about anyone getting to Veetor before he does, or whatever evidence ther might be.

Because Cerberus are terrorists. Wouldn't Tali be nervous about Shepard even more than about Cerberus? Yet Tali is relieved when she sees it's Shepard who is in charge. The Quarians' concern is Veetor's safety. You just don't seem to understand the Quarian sense of community. They look out for each other, especially Tali.

shodiswe wrote...

He was also hacking the colonys securityfootage, something thats been scrubbed away on every other attack on human colonies.

Did you miss how unstable Veetor was? Did you miss that he deliberately assembled and presented the security footage of the Collectors, not erased it or something?

shodiswe wrote...

Maybe it's a coincidence that we stumbled on the Quarians, but they got thousands of people on  Pilgramage, they can't posdibly track them all. And where were they when Tali needed help in Me1?
No, there is definately something fishy about it all. The system is nowhere near the Quarian flotila, it's pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.

The Quarians on Horizon didn't go after some random pilgrim. They were personal aquaintances of Veetor, knowing everything about his condition.


Look at my nice little conspiracy theory above. It perfectly fits the goals of the Geth for it to have happened just like that, so I can easily claim that the Geth started the Morning War and the Quarians are completely innocent. Yet it don't claim that because conspiracy theories with zero evidence behind them are stupid.

Modifié par Argolas, 06 mai 2013 - 03:53 .

[shodiswe]

There is nothing point to a Geth Alliance prior to the Quarian attack.

On the contrary it would seem they waitind until it was almost too late to do anything about he Quarian advance where most of their serverswarm that the y had been buildign for centuries was mostly destroyed. The Quarians had been attackign the Geth for 17 day or so until suddenly the Reapers shared softwar code. Which by itself doesn't requier much of an infrastructure or preparation.

Secondly, when it commes to Reaper destroyers and it landing on rannoch without anyone noticing it... A reaper destroyer had landed on Tuchanka and noone noticed it until they scouted out the Shroudfacility for completely different reasons.

The Council maintains spacestations aroudn Tuchanka with scanners to detech any unauthorized soaceship activity, liek the Construction or commings and goings or Krogan "warships" not that the Krogans got more than a few used mostly for diplomacy or piracy or similar, it's not a real fleet..
Yet the council didn't detect or report on the Reaper destroyer, Victus knew nothing, noone knew nothing...

Maybe Destroyers got stealth capabilities? Or maybe their stealth is optional, the normandys stealth drive functionality is optional.

That Reaper coudl have been aroudn for quite a while, or it coudl have arrived recently. When the councils most advanced scanners and networks of spy satelites fails to detect a Reaper destroyer landing on Tuchanka then anything is possible.
I'm guessing the Destroyer on Tuchanka valued it's privacy while it was slowly poisoning the Krogans to remove them as a threat. Other destroyers doing similar things would likely do the same.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 mai 2013 - 03:52 .

[Khelish]

[quote]shodiswe wrote...

It's no more delusional than the claims proposed in this topic.[/quote]Yes, it is.

[quote]And I do find it highly convenient that one of the enemies to one of the grestest military threats to the reapers, suddenly gained anti-geth warfare equipment for testing.[/quote]Any proof to say it came from reapers? Oh yes, no. No mention of it in-game or otherwise. Go ask Weekes or any other writer, and he will tell you how stupid that is. The quarians have always been good with tech, and Xen is the best at what she does. Tali may be a geth expert, but Xen takes the spotlight for weapon tech.

[quote]The quarian researcher testing it on the Alari diden't invent it she was given the coding and material and was told to test it and weaponize it.[/quote]The research being done on the Alerai helped with this weapon. Occam's Razor. Also, Xen.

"Admiral Xen's corps of research and development eventually create a means to cause massive white-noise jamming against the highly precise geth ladar scanning systems, giving the quarian fleet a major advantage in any attempt to wage war against the geth."

[quote]Tali the #1 expert on the geth and geth hacking hadn't seen anything like it before and said it was beyond her understanding. And she's their #1 expert and is made an Admiral for that very reason.[/quote]Again, how does this mean it came from reapers? I want you to post this dialogue where "Tali is so confused on where they get it, that reapers must be the only source!11!!"

[quote]We also find veetor on a human colony raided by Collectors, and somehow an elite squad sent out and lead by Rael Zorahs daughter sent out by her father to pickup Veetor and whatever evidence there might have been.[/quote]They lost contact with the colony, and wanted to make sure Veetor was safe.

"Worrying for Veetor's safety after contact with Freedom's Progress went offline, Tali, Prazza and a squad of other quarians travels to the colony in an attempt to locate him, where they encounter Commander Shepard."

[quote]How come Rael was so intimately knowledgable about Collector attacks that he sent a rescue and recovery crew lead by his top agent to a system that never sent a distress signal because it was jammed?[/quote]They lost contact with the colony.

"Worrying for Veetor's safety after contact with Freedom's Progress went offline, Tali, Prazza and a squad of other quarians travels to the colony in an attempt to locate him, where they encounter Commander Shepard."

[quote]Also Pazza is incredibly nervous about anyone getting to Veetor before he does, or whatever evidence ther might be.[/quote]He doesn't trust Cerberus. HUR DUR.

[quote]He was also hacking the colonys securityfootage, something thats been scrubbed away on every other attack on human colonies.[/quote]Veetor locked himself in the security room to protect himself. He activated camera's, then mechs.

[quote]Maybe it's a coincidence that we stumbled on the Quarians, but they got thousands of people on  Pilgramage, they can't posdibly track them all.[/quote]Quarians maintain contact with the Flotilla when on pilgrimage.

[quote]And where were they when Tali needed help in Me1?[/quote]Tali's situation in Mass Effect was different. They didn't know where to find her.

[quote]No, there is definately something fishy about it all. The system is nowhere near the Quarian flotila, it's pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.[/quote]The Flotilla moves.

[shodiswe]

Argolas wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

It's no more delusional than the claims proposed in this topic. This topic speculates on a  Geth / Reaper alliance prior to what the game tells us.

There was a Reaper on Rannoch.

shodiswe wrote...

And I do find it highly convenient that one of the enemies to one of the grestest military threats to the reapers, suddenly gained anti-geth warfare equipment for testing.
The quarian researcher testing it on the Alari diden't invent it she was given the coding and material and was told to test it and weaponize it.
Tali the #1 expert on the geth and geth hacking hadn't seen anything like it before and said it was beyond her understanding. And she's their #1 expert and is made an Admiral for that very reason.

Tali isn't a researcher. The weapon was Xen's doing. She commands multiple ships which are specifically equipped for that kind of research and has some of the galaxy's best engineers on the task. The Quarians were researching on a way to defeat the Geth for 3 centuries now. So no, the equipment didn't pop up suddenly.

shodiswe wrote...

We also find veetor on a human colony raided by Collectors, and somehow an elite squad sent out and lead by Rael Zorahs daughter sent out by her father to pickup Veetor and whatever evidence there might have been.
How come Rael was so intimately knowledgable about Collector attacks that he sent a rescue and recovery crew lead by his top agent to a system that never sent a distress signal because it was jammed?

The Quarians came for Veetor because the colony went silent.

shodiswe wrote...

Also Pazza is incredibly nervous about anyone getting to Veetor before he does, or whatever evidence ther might be.

Because Cerberus are terrorists. Wouldn't Tali be nervous about Shepard even more than about Cerberus? Yet Tali is relieved when she sees it's Shepard who is in charge. The Quarians' concern is Veetor's safety. You just don't seem to understand the Quarian sense of community. They look out for each other, especially Tali.

shodiswe wrote...

He was also hacking the colonys securityfootage, something thats been scrubbed away on every other attack on human colonies.

Did you miss how unstable Veetor was? Did you miss that he deliberately assembled and presented the security footage of the Collectors, not erased it or something?

shodiswe wrote...

Maybe it's a coincidence that we stumbled on the Quarians, but they got thousands of people on  Pilgramage, they can't posdibly track them all. And where were they when Tali needed help in Me1?
No, there is definately something fishy about it all. The system is nowhere near the Quarian flotila, it's pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.

The Quarians on Horizon didn't go after some random pilgrim. They were personal aquaintances of Veetor, knowing everything about his condition.


Look at my nice little conspiracy theory above. It perfectly fits the goals of the Geth for it to have happened just like that, so I can easily claim that the Geth started the Morning War and the Quarians are completely innocent. Yet it don't claim that because conspiracy theories with zero evidence behind them are stupid.

No, not Veetor Prazza was tamperign with security footage when we cameupon them. Lookign for Veetor seems like a reasonable explanation however.
But, it's weird that the Quarians where there first when their flotilla is on the other side of the Galaxy and they got thousands of Young people on pilgramage. Also, Rael clearly sent them and Tali.

[Argolas]

shodiswe wrote...

But, it's weird that the Quarians where there first when their flotilla is on the other side of the Galaxy and they got thousands of Young people on pilgramage. Also, Rael clearly sent them and Tali.

Tali was not sent from the flotilla, she was traveling the galaxy on the search for technology.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

No, there is definately something fishy about it all. The system is nowhere near the Quarian flotila, it's pretty much on the other side of the galaxy.

It is pretty odd that the Quarian sent a rescue party in to that very colony Collectors just hit. Maybe they tracked it the same way TIM did or pure coincidance. But I admit, that is actually very interesting and you have a good point shodiswe.

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

No, not Veetor Prazza was tamperign with security footage when we cameupon them. Lookign for Veetor seems like a reasonable explanation however.

Occam's Razor.

But, it's weird that the Quarians where there first when their flotilla is on the other side of the Galaxy and they got thousands of Young people on pilgramage. Also, Rael clearly sent them and Tali.

It is called "The Migrant Fleet", the Flotilla moves. They do not stay in one spot, and by the time we go to them, it is entirely likely that the quarians moved since Freedom's Progress.

[shodiswe]

That's what this thread is all about conspriacy theories with Zero evidence.

I still find it suspicious that Rael sent a team from the otherside of the galaxy before anyone else even reacted.
Also, the Tech that Tali is unfamiliar with even if she's suppsoed to be their #1 specailsit has never seen Before and doesn't understand because it way over her head.
And Xen didn't really develop it, she took the research from the Alari and put it into a finnished prottype.
It was Rael's materal's which his researchers were working on but didn't create, the just tested it, they didn't develop it, least not the Quarians on the videologs. They are just testing things that arn't theirs on Geth to see the results.
Did Rael create it? Or did he get it elsewhere? We don't know.
This is a thread of speculation.
The Game tells us the attack on the Sphere is when and where the Geth finaly accepted the Reapers offer. The game tells us this.
Anythign else is fanfiction and Conspiracy theories.. But after what I saw of the Quarians in ME2 and ME3 I woudln't put anythign past them, they would sell off a human colony if that gained them their homeworld. They would probably sacrifise most of the galaxy for that goal.

[Khelish]

... and now I take my leave. Stupidity now has a new definition.

[shodiswe]

Khelish wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

No, not Veetor Prazza was tamperign with security footage when we cameupon them. Lookign for Veetor seems like a reasonable explanation however.

Occam's Razor.

But, it's weird that the Quarians where there first when their flotilla is on the other side of the Galaxy and they got thousands of Young people on pilgramage. Also, Rael clearly sent them and Tali.

It is called "The Migrant Fleet", the Flotilla moves. They do not stay in one spot, and by the time we go to them, it is entirely likely that the quarians moved since Freedom's Progress.

Accoding to information from a moon near the flotilla they have been staying in that system for month s mining Eezo from a moon and they are gettign ready to move on.. So that doesn't fit with ingame Lore. The Flotilla sticks together, they don't spread out over vast distances unless a ship is on a special mission. (for their own safety) on the other side of the Galaxy.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 mai 2013 - 04:10 .

[shodiswe]

I'm not saying all Quarians are like that but the "militant" faction doesn't seem to have any moral limitations, they do whatever nets them a small gain. They are even prepared to kill council Spectres and their own admirals for shorterms gains.

Putting giant guns of their schoolbusses making them primetargets for any enemy force they engage? Not a problem! Mass genocide on another sentient species? not a problem! Breaking treaties! Not a problem! Illegal AI research, not a problem.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 mai 2013 - 04:16 .

[Khelish]

shodiswe wrote...

Accoding to information from a moon near the flotilla they have been staying in that system for month s mining Eezo from a moon and they are gettign ready to move on.

Can I have a source please?

And even if it is a month, we do not have a good timescale for the events of Mass Effect 2.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

That's what this thread is all about conspriacy theories with Zero evidence.

Like I said before, can you point out anything in the thread OP that I made up and not shown in the game?
Analysis of facts. Disprove it if you can and that's why this is called a "discussion". But if you can't disprove or show something I made up, quit saying it has zero evidance.