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[shodiswe]

That picture fits for the Geth conspirach theorists who desperately seems want to make the Geth look bad. Most of their arguments boils down to. They are synthetic you can't trust them. Think skynet in acompletely different fictional universe.

Also 7. In ME3 were told that the Quarians flotilla has never visited human controled space.
Quarian fans tells us Geth have to be tripple checked or more, thats what this thread is all about. But Quarians can be trusted implicitly, they are good people. Anything that looks bad is probably coincidence or a simple missunderstanding.

[S.A.K]

@shodiswe,
Did I say anything about believing what Quarians say? I didn't. I said how people would think about the situation if Legion didn't say anything.
You Geth supporters claim that "Quarians made Geth ally with Reapers". Only thing you got to support that is "Legion told you so." And I am saying there is no reason to buy what Legion say without anything to back it up. So if you have anything to back that up, I suggest you show it rather than making up more theories.

Modifié par S.A.K, 07 mai 2013 - 08:17 .

[shodiswe]

https://www.dropbox....the Quarian.gif

Ofcourse not, Quarians can't be bad, now thats a crazy conspriazy theory. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Let´s instead speculate on how Geth might be bad and how they wern´t forced to get aid from the Reapers but instead served them willingly and eagerly and might have joined them prior to what the games story tells us even if there is no source backign that claim other than my own theories and specilation.
Because they are inherrently bad and Always lying.

[shodiswe]

I think your motives are to try and justify the Quarians attack and crimes that make them look bad when the game portrayed your favrite species and friends in a very unfavorable light.
Maybe the story told upset you so much that you really need to lashout and Project the blame elsewhere.

This isn't about the Geth, this is about Bioware casting your favrite people and characters in an unfavorable light and you want to salvage your romantic ideal of what the Quarians are like.

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 mai 2013 - 08:48 .

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

https://www.dropbox....the Quarian.gif

Ofcourse not, Quarians can't be bad, now thats a crazy conspriazy theory. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Let´s instead speculate on how Geth might be bad and how they wern´t forced to get aid from the Reapers but instead served them willingly and eagerly and might have joined them prior to what the games story tells us even if there is no source backign that claim other than my own theories and specilation.
Because they are inherrently bad and Always lying.

In other words you don't have any proof and you are resorting to insult me. I have no interest in reporting you. But I suggest doing yourself a favor and kindly remove yourself from the internet.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

I think your motives are to try and justify the Quarians attack and crimes that make them look bad when the game Legion portrayed your favrite species and friends in a very unfavorable light.
Maybe the story told upset you so much that you really need to lashout and Project the blame elsewhere.

This isn't about the Geth, this is about Bioware Legion casting your favrite people and characters in an unfavorable light and you want to salvage your romantic ideal of what the Quarians are like.

All that you say is based on the assumption that Legion did not lie. So I fixed a couple of points for you.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

https://www.dropbox....the Quarian.gif

Ofcourse not, Quarians can't be bad, now thats a crazy conspriazy theory. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Let´s instead speculate on how Geth might be bad and how they wern´t forced to get aid from the Reapers but instead served them willingly and eagerly and might have joined them prior to what the games story tells us even if there is no source backign that claim other than my own theories and specilation.
Because they are inherrently bad and Always lying.

In other words you don't have any proof and you are resorting to insult me. I have no interest in reporting you. But I suggest doing yourself a favor and kindly remove yourself from the internet.

Remember you are the one who started the tinfoil insults. Your initial speculations are comparable to any other conspriacy theory out there and completely lacks a Foundation to stand on.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

I think your motives are to try and justify the Quarians attack and crimes that make them look bad when the game Legion portrayed your favrite species and friends in a very unfavorable light.
Maybe the story told upset you so much that you really need to lashout and Project the blame elsewhere.

This isn't about the Geth, this is about Bioware Legion casting your favrite people and characters in an unfavorable light and you want to salvage your romantic ideal of what the Quarians are like.

All that you say is based on the assumption that Legion did not lie. So I fixed a couple of points for you.

It's far more reasonable than assuming he lied without any proof backign your claim.

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 mai 2013 - 09:02 .

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

I think your motives are to try and justify the Quarians attack and crimes that make them look bad when the game Legion portrayed your favrite species and friends in a very unfavorable light.
Maybe the story told upset you so much that you really need to lashout and Project the blame elsewhere.

This isn't about the Geth, this is about Bioware Legion casting your favrite people and characters in an unfavorable light and you want to salvage your romantic ideal of what the Quarians are like.

All that you say is based on the assumption that Legion did not lie. So I fixed a couple of points for you.

It's far more reasonable than assuming he lied without any proof backign your claim.

Funny. I didn't "claim" anything. Just expressed my idea "Legion could have lied" with some observations from the game backing it up.
But you guys kept claiming "Quarians made Geth ally with Reapers" for months now which are just Legions "claims".

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

Remember you are the one who started the tinfoil insults. Your initial speculations are comparable to any other conspriacy theory out there and completely lacks a Foundation to stand on.

I challenge you to show one point I insulted someone on this thread.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

Remember you are the one who started the tinfoil insults. Your initial speculations are comparable to any other conspriacy theory out there and completely lacks a Foundation to stand on.

I challenge you to show one point I insulted someone on this thread.

Ah, I see now it was Khelish who posted the Tinfoil Picture (all Quarians look alike  )

Anyway, you start by proving a lie if you want to construct an elaborate conspiration theory.

[S.A.K]

It's fine @shodiswe. No harm done.

[shodiswe]

It's the same as with the IT, a million or a billion fanfic proofs, coffestains and circumstantial evidence that Points at nothing and could be interpreted anyway you like won't prove anything.

You need undeniable hard proof not speculation and baseless theories to accuse someone of lying or you will be slandering them. In this case Legion.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

It's the same as with the IT, a million or a billion fanfic proofs, coffestains and circumstantial evidence that Points at nothing and could be interpreted anyway you like won't prove anything.

You need undeniable hard proof not speculation and baseless theories to accuse someone of lying or you will be slandering them. In this case Legion.

Only place in the game that suggest "Geth allied with Reapers as a result of Quarian attack" is completely based on what Legion said isn't it?

I brought a speculation that "Legion could have lied" with some observation from the game correct? You haven't been able to disprove what I said in the OP so far. That is also correct, right?

Even if I did not create this thread, you cannot prove that "Legion said the truth" any more than me saying "Legion lied" even without this thread. Is that clear?

[Auld Wulf]

shodiswe wrote...

That picture fits for the Geth conspirach theorists who desperately seems want to make the Geth look bad. Most of their arguments boils down to. They are synthetic you can't trust them. Think skynet in acompletely different fictional universe.

Also 7. In ME3 were told that the Quarians flotilla has never visited human controled space.
Quarian fans tells us Geth have to be tripple checked or more, thats what this thread is all about. But Quarians can be trusted implicitly, they are good people. Anything that looks bad is probably coincidence or a simple missunderstanding.

You understand the long and short of it. Good man. It's that it comes down to binary thinking and fetishising comfort zones and familiarity. The Quarians are very similar to us, and the Quarians seem nice enough, therefore the Quarians are 1. By being 1, the Quarians are like us. So we and the Quarians are Us. The Geth are strange, their collective thinking and hyper-democratic (to the point of functional Anarchism) attitudes are weird. The Geth are hard to relate to, so if 1 (the Quarians) doesn't like them, then that must mean the Geth are 0. The Geth are "them," and by being so they are the same as the Reapers.

This is how some minds work, and you can observe the mechanical nature of it quite profoundly on this forum. There's a sort of purity of limited thinking that allows for this. It is the hatred of nuance, the fear of variation, the unknown of novelty. I rmeember a small minority who wanted to kill Paarthurnax in Skyrim, who were unable to understand what a total bro Paarthy was and is. Why? The Dragons are 0, the dragons are Them. We are Us, we are 1. Paarthurnax is a dragon, therefore Paarthurnax is 0, Paarthurnax is Them. And that's it, it's that simple. This is why people hate and trust in absolutes, they trust 1 (the Quarians) absolutely, and the hate 0 (the Geth) absolutely. They are physically incapable at this point of thinking in any way other than Us vs. Them. It's so hard-wired into their psyche that they just can't stop, even if they wanted to stop.

Now, a more nuanced thinker can understand that, hey, maybe absolutes aren't actually a thing. That maybe absolutes actually make for bad storytelling, that absolutes turn things into poor stories. We find absolutes in '80s Saturday morning cartoons, as I've pointed out. Are they really the best examples of writing? No. Definitely not. Some of the best examples of writing have made nuance their thing. The very best stories we've ever told haven't dealt with absolutes, they understand that all of their characters are three dimensional beings, capable of many things.

This is why the story is sometimes unreal, however. It's because the character is often far more intelligent than the person -- the average story character is far more intelligent than the average person. We use stories as escapism to get away from reality, after all, and it is nice to live in a fantasy world where everyone understands more, and is thus less limited in their thinking. However, to make a story appealing to more limited thinkers, you have to do away with nuance. Mass Effect did pretty great in that regard, right up until the third installment.

The third installment turned everything on its head.

The Reapers? Not absolutely evil -- nuanced motives.
The Geth? Not absolutely evil -- nuanced motives.
The Quarians? Not absolutely good -- nuanced motives.
The Krogans? Not absolutely barbaric -- nuanced motives.
The Asari? Not absolutely good (technology hoarding) -- nuanced motives.

Now, often, the kind of person who thinks in binary ways isn't really a reader. They're more of a gamer or a popcorn flick watcher, so they're used to the Us vs. Them mindset. They want the Geth to be absolutely evil, the Reapers to be absolutely evil, and for their allies to be absolutely Good. Why? It makes it easier for them to understand -- they don't want to think, they hate anything that tries to make them think. They just want to turn off their brains so that they can be entertained by some sex and mindless violence. They want to settle into comfortable, familiar one dimensionality. That's why you won't find, for example, a Geth hater who loved Pan's Labyrinth.

The Geth and the Reapers are much the same as Paarthurnax from Skyrim. See, Paarthurnax proves his good will time and again, and if you let him live he does nothing but help, he proves to be a very positive influence upon the dragons. He wants to turn them all into peacenik pacifists, and I'm completely okay with that. His motives as they can be evaluated are beneficial to everyone, they're ethical. So does Paarthurnax deserve to die? Some would say yes. Why? That's the question. Why?

Because Paarthurnax is a dragon, and all dragons are evil.

This is the perspective of the Blades in Skyrim, who believe that as well. The Blades are also limited thinkers, as they can't understand that someone might actually be an ally. They deal in absolute terms of Us vs. Them, and they won't stop until they've brought about an extinction event, either of themselves, or of the dragons. That there's a dragon who wants to make peace is completely unthinkable to them, because the dragons are the enemies, and enemies don't want peace. What we can apply here is that Geth haters are like The Blades, almost exactly like them. They can't understand that a Geth might not be absolutely evil, because the Geth are the enemy. The Geth, essentially, are Them and they can never be anything but Them.

More people are beginning to realise this in this and other threads, that we're having an argument from a point of intellectuality versus anti-intellectuality. Some people want to embrace simplistic, comfortable thinking without ever being forced to think bigger, they want to compartmentalise everything in absolutes, to box them down. The Geth go in the Evil box, the Quarians go in the Good box. That's simple, that's easy to organise, that's just so much more lazy and comfortable -- to them, it feels right. The notion that there might be some Geth and some Quarians in both boxes seems disorderly. They have a reflex action to it, since they want a binary uniformity, they want everything in one box to be the sae as everything else in one box.

I've brought this up before and I'll bring it up again -- it's this Us vs. Them thinking that gives rise to prejudices and racism. Whenever you ask a racist person why they're racist, they will never give you a rational answer. You can talk to them for months, and all you'll get at the end of the day is that the people they're racist against are Them, and if they are Them, then they must therefore be evil and worthy of hate. As a disabled person, and a person with a non-standard sexuality (that was at one time a taboo), I've actually been exposed to a lot of this. I've learned how to recognise it. It's because people want to form cliques -- in a clique is Us, outside of a clique is Them.

And this all comes back to the boxes of them mind. The simple mind wants to pigeon-hole everything and not accept that there are nuances of reality, that not everything is as black and white as they believe it to be. That there are many, many levels and sliding scales to deal with. Worse, the simple mind doesn't want to deal with the notion that a conflict can be any more complicated than Us vs. Them. They want the conflict to be incredibly simple. They want to be the good guy, and they want to kill bad guys. They don't want to have to think about how some people might not be bad guys, they just want to generalise it with a big brush.

And that's what we're dealing with, here. The pigeon-holing of Us vs. Them. There's no rationale or reason behind it. We've proved this over countless threads, we've proved this over thousands upon thousands of posts, we've proved this in every argument. You have simple-minded haters, and more complex minds which are able to grasp nuance and thus do not hate. I don't hate them, I just want them to accept that they are being simple-minded, because if they can do that they can take steps to resolve it and gain greater understanding.

This has never been a debate that's intellectual on both sides. We have one side thuggishly trying to push Us vs. Them via brute force, and another side patiently explaining time and again why Us vs. Them is a bad thing.

To realise that this is what this is all about is to have the wisdom to look at why this argument exists in the first place.

I am this forum's wise man, to a degree. And I'll point out again that if the Geth haters could accept their simple-minded approach, then perhaps they could then begin to try to understand. And then they'll arrive at the same conclusion that you and I have: That neither the Quarians or the Geth represent absolutes, not of good or evil. It is more that they are simply different. They both have their own motives, and motives on both sides could be construed as good or evil depending on which character (rather than which species) you're talking about.

[Khelish]

Wulf, are you still talking?

I have always said both sides committed wrongs in the Morning War, both sides. You on the other hand, have never said one thing about the geth's wrong doings. If you have, I've never seen it.

The quarian military was wrong to react like they did before the Morning War. Though that doesn't mean I think the geth had reason to commit genocide and wipe out billions of people. You seem to do the largest mental hoops to put a gun in the hand of every quarian man, woman, and child in order to justify the geth killing them. You use your childish headcanon in the Morning War to further your own hatred for them.

Can you drop your pathetic "binary thinker" argument? It has to be the most baseless, immature, and oldest thing I hear leave your mouth. If anyone here is a binary thinker, it is you.

Modifié par Khelish, 07 mai 2013 - 03:29 .

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...
Or how you want the Geth to ask for peace from a species that wants to kill them and has never shown an interest in peace but because the Geth didn't actually try, you say it's their fault for being killed.

Do you hold Organics as guilty for killing Heretics?

I don't see how the two are related. But if you want to use one as an example of the other....

Imagine the Heretics attacking organics every chance they get to the point where they are attacking the very heart of the organic social system (oh wait, they did with Saren and Sovereign!) and then try to say that even during the very moments of the Battle of the Citadel the organics should be trying to ask for peace.

That's the very thing you are wanting in reverse for the Quarian-Geth war in ME3.

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...
Or how you want the Geth to ask for peace from a species that wants to kill them and has never shown an interest in peace but because the Geth didn't actually try, you say it's their fault for being killed.

Do you hold Organics as guilty for killing Heretics?

I don't see how the two are related. But if you want to use one as an example of the other....

Imagine the Heretics attacking organics every chance they get to the point where they are attacking the very heart of the organic social system (oh wait, they did with Saren and Sovereign!) and then try to say that even during the very moments of the Battle of the Citadel the organics should be trying to ask for peace.

That's the very thing you are wanting in reverse for the Quarian-Geth war in ME3.

Actually that's not what I think. I think the Geth should allow organics to contact them. It's the only way either side can start negotiations. The organics could start asking for peace if the Geth would only allow themselves to be contacted. Is that wrong?

Also because of the lack of interest to talk from the Geth side, the organics only aware of one side of the Geth and that is Heretics. Did you know about Orthodox Geth back in ME1 or in ME2 before you spoke to Legion?

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Actually that's not what I think. I think the Geth should allow organics to contact them. It's the only way either side can start negotiations. The organics could start asking for peace if the Geth would only allow themselves to be contacted. Is that wrong?

Also because of the lack of interest to talk from the Geth side, the organics only aware of one side of the Geth and that is Heretics. Did you know about Orthodox Geth back in ME1 or in ME2 before you spoke to Legion?

No, you don't. There's also no hint that Krogans might be romantic, love poetry, enjoy being scienties/mechanics either but these things are found out during ME2 as well.

I agree that the Geth isolating themselves leaves them vulnerable to being misunderstood. The Geth show no sign of wanting any type of interactions with organics, be that positive or negative and so it's perfectly logical for people to assume all Geth sided with Saren by the events of ME1 alone.

However the second Quarian-Geth war is not based on ME1 information alone.

Or are you suggesting that the Heretic group are merely sacrificial pawns by the Geth in order to make themselves look better in Shepard's eyes?

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Actually that's not what I think. I think the Geth should allow organics to contact them. It's the only way either side can start negotiations. The organics could start asking for peace if the Geth would only allow themselves to be contacted. Is that wrong?

Also because of the lack of interest to talk from the Geth side, the organics only aware of one side of the Geth and that is Heretics. Did you know about Orthodox Geth back in ME1 or in ME2 before you spoke to Legion?

No, you don't. There's also no hint that Krogans might be romantic, love poetry, enjoy being scienties/mechanics either but these things are found out during ME2 as well.

I don't get it. What do you mean by this?

I agree that the Geth isolating themselves leaves them vulnerable to being misunderstood. The Geth show no sign of wanting any type of interactions with organics, be that positive or negative and so it's perfectly logical for people to assume all Geth sided with Saren by the events of ME1 alone.

However the second Quarian-Geth war is not based on ME1 information alone.

Which side didn't allow other side to cotact them? Geth or Quarians.

Or are you suggesting that the Heretic group are merely sacrificial pawns by the Geth in order to make themselves look better in Shepard's eyes?

I don't get this either. What made you say that?

[Morlath]

S.A.K wrote...

Morlath wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Actually that's not what I think. I think the Geth should allow organics to contact them. It's the only way either side can start negotiations. The organics could start asking for peace if the Geth would only allow themselves to be contacted. Is that wrong?

Also because of the lack of interest to talk from the Geth side, the organics only aware of one side of the Geth and that is Heretics. Did you know about Orthodox Geth back in ME1 or in ME2 before you spoke to Legion?

No, you don't. There's also no hint that Krogans might be romantic, love poetry, enjoy being scienties/mechanics either but these things are found out during ME2 as well.

I don't get it. What do you mean by this?

I mean that in the course of ME2 we are introduced to difference aspects of species unknown to us in ME1. Wrex gives us the impression that there are no Krogan scientists and the general perception of the Krogan are as agreesive thugs. ME2 shows clear evidence this is not a species-wide truth.

It is the same concept as not knowing the difference between normal Geth and Heretic Get in ME1 until Legion tells us so in ME2.

I agree that the Geth isolating themselves leaves them vulnerable to being misunderstood. The Geth show no sign of wanting any type of interactions with organics, be that positive or negative and so it's perfectly logical for people to assume all Geth sided with Saren by the events of ME1 alone.

However the second Quarian-Geth war is not based on ME1 information alone.

Which side didn't allow other side to cotact them? Geth or Quarians.

And I ask you again. How does the fact that they refuse contact with organics add to the argument that they deserve to die? Yes it makes it harder to open a dialogue with any species but (as has I have pointed out numerous times) they have had no actual evidence of Quarians wanting peace.

Or are you suggesting that the Heretic group are merely sacrificial pawns by the Geth in order to make themselves look better in Shepard's eyes?

I don't get this either. What made you say that?

You seem very eager to mistrust anything Legion tells us when it is pro-Geth information.

[shodiswe]

The Quarians voted no to communicating with the Geth or negotiating a peaceful settlement. So I would say it's the Quarians who didn't allow it.

Tali and Legion keep talkign til he got abducted at some Point after the Quarians attacked, we don't knwo if its 10 Days or 17 Days after the attack. We only know that the keept talking and that Legion told Tali that the Geth were having trouble reachign a concensus.

When the Geth are having trouble reaching a consensus then they got one huges and impopular choice to make... Legion coudlnt' tell Tali wht it was, probably wasn't allowed or it would have been the same as betraying his peaple just as Tali coudln't warn Legion even if it made her feel bad about lying to a friend.
The next time a Geth tells you they are having trouble reaching a consensus, then you should expect something galaxy changign to happen soon, probably something extreme which they arn't eager to do but might feel forced to to for the greater good or what they belive to be the greater good.

Or maybe it's good and they are actualy voting on helping you as per your request, but there is some reluctance due to the comitment required or danger or moral implications!

[S.A.K]

Morlath wrote...

I mean that in the course of ME2 we are introduced to difference aspects of species unknown to us in ME1. Wrex gives us the impression that there are no Krogan scientists and the general perception of the Krogan are as agreesive thugs. ME2 shows clear evidence this is not a species-wide truth.

It is the same concept as not knowing the difference between normal Geth and Heretic Get in ME1 until Legion tells us so in ME2.

Shepard/player learns those information in ME2 but the rest of the galaxy already knew that about Krogan.

Nobody in the galaxy except the Geth themselves knew about the Orthodox Geth. Even after ME2 only few people know that info about the Geth.

See the difference now?

And I ask you again. How does the fact that they refuse contact with organics add to the argument that they deserve to die? Yes it makes it harder to open a dialogue with any species but (as has I have pointed out numerous times) they have had no actual evidence of Quarians wanting peace.

1. I don't think Geth deserve death.
2. Geths refusal to talk is the reason peace was not atchived until now. It's the reason why Quarians couldn't find a peaceful way to reclaim their world and its the cause for the seconds Quarian/Geth war.
3. Geth didn't have evidance Quarians would want peace because the Geth refused to talk to anyone.
4. It is the reason why all organics think there are only Heretic Geth.

So it's big thing. I don't say Geth should ask for peace. If I say organics should have asked for peace, they couldn't have done that because Geth won't let them talk.

Why are Geth so afraid to talk? I can't make this any more clear than this. Please look at it from a neutral view.

You seem very eager to mistrust anything Legion tells us when it is pro-Geth information.

The only place I mistrust Legion is it's explanation of circumstances which the Geth allied with Reapers which doesn't make sense.

Modifié par S.A.K, 07 mai 2013 - 06:26 .

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

The Quarians voted no to communicating with the Geth or negotiating a peaceful settlement. So I would say it's the Quarians who didn't allow it.

Tali and Legion keep talkign til he got abducted at some Point after the Quarians attacked, we don't knwo if its 10 Days or 17 Days after the attack. We only know that the keept talking and that Legion told Tali that the Geth were having trouble reachign a concensus.

When the Geth are having trouble reaching a consensus then they got one huges and impopular choice to make... Legion coudlnt' tell Tali wht it was, probably wasn't allowed or it would have been the same as betraying his peaple just as Tali coudln't warn Legion even if it made her feel bad about lying to a friend.
The next time a Geth tells you they are having trouble reaching a consensus, then you should expect something galaxy changign to happen soon, probably something extreme which they arn't eager to do but might feel forced to to for the greater good or what they belive to be the greater good.

Or maybe it's good and they are actualy voting on helping you as per your request, but there is some reluctance due to the comitment required or danger or moral implications!

1. From the wiki :
"They adopted an extremely isolationist attitude - any ships that
ventured into geth space were immediately attacked and destroyed. While
they prevented any contact by other races with themselves."

So the Quarians couldn't communicate even if they wanted because the Geth won't let them.

2. Legion cuts communications with Tali BEFORE the Quarian attack begins (It's made clear when Tali says "I could have warned it about the attack" meaning attack isn't started yet). And the other Geth doesn't seem to like Legion much either since they hooked it upto that machine against it's will.

3. I'll remember that next time.

Edit : If Legion cut comms because it got abducted like you said, it proves my point in the OP.

Modifié par S.A.K, 07 mai 2013 - 06:41 .

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

The Quarians voted no to communicating with the Geth or negotiating a peaceful settlement. So I would say it's the Quarians who didn't allow it.

Tali and Legion keep talkign til he got abducted at some Point after the Quarians attacked, we don't knwo if its 10 Days or 17 Days after the attack. We only know that the keept talking and that Legion told Tali that the Geth were having trouble reachign a concensus.

When the Geth are having trouble reaching a consensus then they got one huges and impopular choice to make... Legion coudlnt' tell Tali wht it was, probably wasn't allowed or it would have been the same as betraying his peaple just as Tali coudln't warn Legion even if it made her feel bad about lying to a friend.
The next time a Geth tells you they are having trouble reaching a consensus, then you should expect something galaxy changign to happen soon, probably something extreme which they arn't eager to do but might feel forced to to for the greater good or what they belive to be the greater good.

Or maybe it's good and they are actualy voting on helping you as per your request, but there is some reluctance due to the comitment required or danger or moral implications!

1. From the wiki :
"They adopted an extremely isolationist attitude - any ships that
ventured into geth space were immediately attacked and destroyed. While
they prevented any contact by other races with themselves."

So the Quarians couldn't communicate even if they wanted because the Geth won't let them.

2. Legion cuts communications with Tali BEFORE the Quarian attack begins (It's made clear when Tali says "I could have warned it about the attack" meaning attack isn't started yet). And the other Geth doesn't seem to like Legion much either since they hooked it upto that machine against it's will.

3. I'll remember that next time.

Edit : If Legion cut comms because it got abducted like you said, it proves my point in the OP.

I thought we had been through this already, Shepard in the conversation Wheel asks about Talis commuinications with Legion after the attack, then she tells you that the last she Heard from him was that they were having problems reachign a consensus.
Which is some tiem after the attack, the time line is unspecific, but it's after the attack sicne that's what Shepard asked. )or goes back to Shepards implied question) So yes they did talk after the attack, we don't know if its an hour after the inital attacks or 10 Days or 16 Days. but then it stops and that's when the Reaper signal went up.
Tali speculated that maybe Legion fought the Reaper takeover and something happend.

The important part is Shepards Question in the dialogue Wheel, which is the Question Tali is answering, their Communication after the attack. "And since the attack?" Dialogue Wheel upper left side... This is key to the Question asked, yes she did communicate with Legion and she tells Shepard about it and how the Geth were struggling with their decision.
Then she goes on with her speculations on what might have been going on with Legion and the Geth after the attack.

The comms goes out when Legion is abducted/imprisoned/reapertortured whatever at an unspecified time after the attack. But it's after the attack. I Think it likely happens right before the Reapersignal goes live.

The Reaper Tech is likely easily replicated by use of omnigel and other replication techniques and materials readily available as long as the Reapers provide the technical specifications for it.

It's not like the Reapers are using materials that can't be found on the periodic table.

 

Modifié par shodiswe, 07 mai 2013 - 10:08 .