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[S.A.K]

Listen to what Legion says.

[shodiswe]

The Reapers had 17 Days to send in a ship if one wasn't already in the neighbourhood... The Reapers are all over the galaxy, it's not like the Reapers are contained, the come and go as they please.

Also, when the Quarian are busy attacking the millions of Geth satelites that the geth have been building for centuries I would imagine it to be easy for anyone to fly to Rannoch unnoticed while the Quarians are busy with their Genocide at the Dysonbubble.

Who know's maybe the Reaper arrived to speak with the Geth before the Quarians entered the Geth homesystem. But the Geth didn'ät accept until their deathtoll got extreme.

I'm surprised the Geth didn't ally earlier, that woudl have saved them a few billion people, possibly their sphere all together.... They had 17 Days... I guess they were trying to develop their own counter measure against Xen's flashbang but when the Sphere got attacked they gave up on that Project due to the massive loss of infrastructure adn processign power to finnish their own Project.
At that Point the Reapers became their only chance for survival.
They probably let the Reaper stay there as a backup solution in case their own atempts at a solution failed.

[Dunabar]

Careful S.A.K, you know better than to throw any mud in the direction of the 'pure innocent' Geth. Wouldn't want to tarnish their spotless reputation as amazing and outspoken allies of Shepard.

Honestly, I think that Destroyer was there before the Quarians launched their attack. Any other time after that the Quarians would have picked it up as it entered the system. Even if the thing did some how manage to sneak in, why didn't Legion or the Geth V.I speak up and say "Hey Shepard, there is a Reaper destroyer on Rannoch"?

PS: No I couldn't maintain a straight face posting this, I was laughing too hard.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

Listen to what Legion says.

There is nothing there to support your arguement.  Quite the opposite.  The order of events is clear.

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...

That's actually pretty easy. The Quarian fleet is entirely in one location. Planets rotate. It lands on the other side.

I am asking how it got there without Geth realizing. Legion says they didn't ally with the Reapers until Quarians destroyed the mega stucture. Why were they hiding a Reaper if they were not allied with them? Do you want a link to hear that cconversation again?

Show me that the order of events is not "Geth ally with Reapers, Reaper warps in, Hides in existing hole".

That is exactly the order I was talking about. The only Question is when did the Geth ally with the Reapers. It couldn't have been after the attack on the megastructure because Geth went into Reaper control before it was completely destroyed.
It could have been before and that's option two. They were allied before Quarians came and Legion is lying.
It could have been in the middle of the attack. So the Reaper came in that exact time. Geth and Reapers Ally. Reaper hides in hole. Reaper installed that stuff on the Geth ship and connected Legion into it with Geth help, and started transmitting the signal and gets Geth under their control. All with the time Quarians were attacking the Sphere. So that maybe about few minutes.

Edit : Geth were not under Reaper control before the signal hit.

Modifié par S.A.K, 05 mai 2013 - 05:46 .

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Listen to what Legion says.

There is nothing there to support your arguement.  Quite the opposite.  The order of events is clear.

I never went away from that order of things. Read the OP.

[Whybother]

Dunabar wrote...

Careful S.A.K, you know better than to throw any mud in the direction of the 'pure innocent' Geth. Wouldn't want to tarnish their spotless reputation as amazing and outspoken allies of Shepard.

Honestly, I think that Destroyer was there before the Quarians launched their attack. Any other time after that the Quarians would have picked it up as it entered the system. Even if the thing did some how manage to sneak in, why didn't Legion or the Geth V.I speak up and say "Hey Shepard, there is a Reaper destroyer on Rannoch"?

PS: No I couldn't maintain a straight face posting this, I was laughing too hard.

Yeah, wouldn't the Geth consensus know about the whole "yo we invited a Reaper to stay with us" thing?

Maybe Legion did know and he just lied about it again

[S.A.K]

Heh, the only thing to show Geth were not allied with Reaper before Quarians came are Legions words. And it wouldn't be the only time Legion lied.

[shodiswe]

Dunabar wrote...

Careful S.A.K, you know better than to throw any mud in the direction of the 'pure innocent' Geth. Wouldn't want to tarnish their spotless reputation as amazing and outspoken allies of Shepard.

Honestly, I think that Destroyer was there before the Quarians launched their attack. Any other time after that the Quarians would have picked it up as it entered the system. Even if the thing did some how manage to sneak in, why didn't Legion or the Geth V.I speak up and say "Hey Shepard, there is a Reaper destroyer on Rannoch"?

PS: No I couldn't maintain a straight face posting this, I was laughing too hard.

It's possible Legion wasn't told. They arn't a hive mind and they don't know Everything that other Geth knows.

It's also possible the "other" Geth didn't want to share that information with a Quarian sympatiser who was openly communicating with a Quarian delivering their messageses. All governments got their secrets, their plan B.

It's also possible the Reapers had planned all this and provided the Tech needed for the flashbang and all tat to Rael Zorah and he was testing it out in ME2. This would allow the Reapers to weaken or even gain Control over a fleet a large as the turian fleet if the Geth grew desperate enough.

Maybe Rael Zorah was the TIM of the Quarians, an indoctrinated servant of the reapers doign the Reapers bidding and pretending to be promoting the betterment of the Quarian people.. Just liek TIM claiemd to be trying to help Humanity... Or the Heretics who joined the Reapers in ME1.
Cerberus started back in the First Contact war.

It's hard to know what's what, but if the Geth woudl have wanted to accept Reaper help or join them from the start or Before the Quarian attack then the Quarians woudl have been wiped out logn ago, it took 17 Days for the Quarians luck to turn.

Personaly I think the reapers had planned it all along, they have indoctrinated agent's in every government and organization in the galaxy.

Why fight the Reapers when you can weaken the Galaxy and deliver it to them by attacking other species?

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

Heh, the only thing to show Geth were not allied with Reaper before Quarians came are Legions words. And it wouldn't be the only time Legion lied.

If they had been allied then the Quarians would have hit a brick wall on day one.

[Auld Wulf]

Option 3:

Remember the Heretics? It's possible they built the bunker for Sovereign.

@OP

Your bias, frothing hatred, and illogic know no bounds. You have a Geth hate-fetish, I understand, but creating a billion new anti-Geth threads per month is going to do nothing but pollute the forums. I've reported this as trolling.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...

That's actually pretty easy. The Quarian fleet is entirely in one location. Planets rotate. It lands on the other side.

I am asking how it got there without Geth realizing. Legion says they didn't ally with the Reapers until Quarians destroyed the mega stucture. Why were they hiding a Reaper if they were not allied with them? Do you want a link to hear that cconversation again?

Show me that the order of events is not "Geth ally with Reapers, Reaper warps in, Hides in existing hole".

That is exactly the order I was talking about. The only Question is when did the Geth ally with the Reapers. It couldn't have been after the attack on the megastructure because Geth went into Reaper control before it was completely destroyed.
It could have been before and that's option two. They were allied before Quarians came and Legion is lying.
It could have been in the middle of the attack. So the Reaper came in that exact time. Geth and Reapers Ally. Reaper hides in hole. Reaper installed that stuff on the Geth ship and connected Legion into it with Geth help, and started transmitting the signal and gets Geth under their control. All with the time Quarians were attacking the Sphere. So that maybe about few minutes.

Edit : Geth were not under Reaper control before the signal hit.

Or, more likely the Geth have long range coms, the Reapers have long range coms, and they called for assistance during the attack.

And LOL a few minutes  Like it took a few minutes for the Geth to wipe out the Quarians.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Heh, the only thing to show Geth were not allied with Reaper before Quarians came are Legions words. And it wouldn't be the only time Legion lied.

If they had been allied then the Quarians would have hit a brick wall on day one.

Well the Geth didn't have that Reaper code until that signal started transmitting and only one Reaper was sent. It was working with the Geth to geth that signal up and running. The Reaper trainsmits the signal and Geth stop the Quarians attack. This feel like a an actual scenario. Even Reapers don't have magic to set everything up instantly like Legions talk suggest.

[shodiswe]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Heh, the only thing to show Geth were not allied with Reaper before Quarians came are Legions words. And it wouldn't be the only time Legion lied.

If they had been allied then the Quarians would have hit a brick wall on day one.

Well the Geth didn't have that Reaper code until that signal started transmitting and only one Reaper was sent. It was working with the Geth to geth that signal up and running. The Reaper trainsmits the signal and Geth stop the Quarians attack. This feel like a an actual scenario. Even Reapers don't have magic to set everything up instantly like Legions talk suggest.

They certainly wouldn't have needed 17 Days to plug in a Cable to legion and shackle it... more like 10 mins! It's not like they needed to build anything. Just trasnmit, which is fairly immediate.

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

That is exactly the order I was talking about. The only Question is when did the Geth ally with the Reapers. It couldn't have been after the attack on the megastructure because Geth went into Reaper control before it was completely destroyed.
It could have been before and that's option two. They were allied before Quarians came and Legion is lying.
It could have been in the middle of the attack. So the Reaper came in that exact time. Geth and Reapers Ally. Reaper hides in hole. Reaper installed that stuff on the Geth ship and connected Legion into it with Geth help, and started transmitting the signal and gets Geth under their control. All with the time Quarians were attacking the Sphere. So that maybe about few minutes.

Edit : Geth were not under Reaper control before the signal hit.

Or, more likely the Geth have long range coms, the Reapers have long range coms, and they called for assistance during the attack.

And LOL a few minutes  Like it took a few minutes for the Geth to wipe out the Quarians.

That doesn't explain anything. How the hardware was installed and how the Reaper got there instantly. I thought this is rather simple logic.

[shodiswe]

Seeing how easy it would be to transmit data and code, one could ask why they didn't do that 17 Days earlier if they had been allied?

[shodiswe]

Just look at the time it took Legion to upload the Upgrades to the Geth that had the potential ot wipeout the Quarians if they didn't stop fiering.

It wouldn't have taken any longer than that to set up the Reaper signal. Except maybe the physical shackling of Legion.. Which could be done in minutes surely.

[S.A.K]

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Heh, the only thing to show Geth were not allied with Reaper before Quarians came are Legions words. And it wouldn't be the only time Legion lied.

If they had been allied then the Quarians would have hit a brick wall on day one.

Well the Geth didn't have that Reaper code until that signal started transmitting and only one Reaper was sent. It was working with the Geth to geth that signal up and running. The Reaper trainsmits the signal and Geth stop the Quarians attack. This feel like a an actual scenario. Even Reapers don't have magic to set everything up instantly like Legions talk suggest.

They certainly wouldn't have needed 17 Days to plug in a Cable to legion and shackle it... more like 10 mins! It's not like they needed to build anything. Just trasnmit, which is fairly immediate.

You don't explain why there was a Reaper there in the first place if they were not already allies. And also they had to install some Reaper tech. They can only install it fast as you claim if they already had the tech which again mean they were already allied.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

That is exactly the order I was talking about. The only Question is when did the Geth ally with the Reapers. It couldn't have been after the attack on the megastructure because Geth went into Reaper control before it was completely destroyed.
It could have been before and that's option two. They were allied before Quarians came and Legion is lying.
It could have been in the middle of the attack. So the Reaper came in that exact time. Geth and Reapers Ally. Reaper hides in hole. Reaper installed that stuff on the Geth ship and connected Legion into it with Geth help, and started transmitting the signal and gets Geth under their control. All with the time Quarians were attacking the Sphere. So that maybe about few minutes.

Edit : Geth were not under Reaper control before the signal hit.

Or, more likely the Geth have long range coms, the Reapers have long range coms, and they called for assistance during the attack.

And LOL a few minutes  Like it took a few minutes for the Geth to wipe out the Quarians.

That doesn't explain anything. How the hardware was installed and how the Reaper got there instantly. I thought this is rather simple logic.

It was 1 rooms worth of broadcasting equipment.  Not exactly a whole lot to build there, especially for a race of synthetics who need to build that kind of hardware merely to live.

And how did it get there?  It flew in.  It's a bloody reapers, it's got FTL drives and it controls the relay network.  17 days isn't instantly.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Heh, the only thing to show Geth were not allied with Reaper before Quarians came are Legions words. And it wouldn't be the only time Legion lied.

If they had been allied then the Quarians would have hit a brick wall on day one.

Well the Geth didn't have that Reaper code until that signal started transmitting and only one Reaper was sent. It was working with the Geth to geth that signal up and running. The Reaper trainsmits the signal and Geth stop the Quarians attack. This feel like a an actual scenario. Even Reapers don't have magic to set everything up instantly like Legions talk suggest.

They certainly wouldn't have needed 17 Days to plug in a Cable to legion and shackle it... more like 10 mins! It's not like they needed to build anything. Just trasnmit, which is fairly immediate.

You don't explain why there was a Reaper there in the first place if they were not already allies. And also they had to install some Reaper tech. They can only install it fast as you claim if they already had the tech which again mean they were already allied.

How long does it actually take to install Reaper tech?  Lets ask Mr. Smith, as he gets Reaper Husk tech installed.  Mr. Smith?

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

OK, 4 seconds.

[shodiswe]

That reaper likely flew there whiel the Quarians were attackign the outer systems, busily genociding the Geth and thoroughly and systematicaly cleaning up every system for 17 Days.

It extended another offer, the Geth who feelt they were threatened by the Quarians keept the Reaepr offer as a plan B. Which would be what it was all about when Legion had told Tali the Geth were having trouble reaching a concensus.
Then when the Geth's bubble was attacked they accepted it and the Reaeprs wanted Legion shackled seeing as it was too close to Shepard and probably an oponent to the Reaper influence.

Modifié par shodiswe, 05 mai 2013 - 06:11 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Option 3:

Remember the Heretics? It's possible they built the bunker for Sovereign.

@OP

Your bias, frothing hatred, and illogic know no bounds. You have a Geth hate-fetish, I understand, but creating a billion new anti-Geth threads per month is going to do nothing but pollute the forums. I've reported this as trolling.

And I've reported this as a personal insult post that does nothing for the post. Pointless reporting is a bannable offense.

[S.A.K]

Phatose wrote...


How long does it actually take to install Reaper tech?  Lets ask Mr. Smith, as he gets Reaper Husk tech installed.  Mr. Smith?

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

OK, 4 seconds.

Actually it takes several days to make husk. Try again.

Auld Wulf wrote...

Option 3:

Remember the Heretics? It's possible they built the bunker for Sovereign.

@OP

Your
bias, frothing hatred, and illogic know no bounds. You have a Geth
hate-fetish, I understand, but creating a billion new anti-Geth threads
per month is going to do nothing but pollute the forums. I've reported
this as trolling.

Eh huh? So you can cramp a 2km Reaper in that thing?

I made 2 threads about the Geth. And I don't hate them, but people like you are trying to make me hate them.  Do yourself a davor and please think a bit before typing something.

[Phatose]

S.A.K wrote...

Phatose wrote...


How long does it actually take to install Reaper tech?  Lets ask Mr. Smith, as he gets Reaper Husk tech installed.  Mr. Smith?

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

OK, 4 seconds.

Actually it takes several days to make husk. Try again.

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Do you really need me to dig up that video from ME1 were it takes approximately 10 seconds?


There are husks on Eden prime in ME1.  That attack started right before you got there.  It ain't several days.

Modifié par Phatose, 05 mai 2013 - 06:31 .

[Argolas]

Based on empirical evidence, the Geth just aren't better than this...