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[Gamer Ftw]

Ryzaki,they aren't allowed weapons in the city.
Anyway, you can get rabbits with just snares.

[ejoslin]

Well, Shianni makes a joke about city-rabbit stew -- AKA rat.

[Ryzaki]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Ryzaki,they aren't allowed weapons in the city.
Anyway, you can get rabbits with just snares.

So what they leave the gates and go "dude where's my bow at?"

I doubt there would be a lot of wild rabbits in the city and you know some douchecanoe is gonna complain about them hutning on their "turf" or other crap.

ejoslin wrote...

Well, Shianni makes a joke about city-rabbit stew -- AKA rat.

[Gamer Ftw]

So leave the city for an afternoon.
You can hunt with a sharpened stick if you need to.
Did no one read "lord of the flies'?
Or pool everyone's money and buy pigs and chickens.
You only need two to start breeding them.
Or grow crops WTH elves why you so helpless?
And if they managed any of that they wouldn't have to rely on the humans for jobs so much.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 08 mai 2013 - 09:26 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

How effective is hunting with a sharpened stick?

As for buying pigs and chickens, do they have the room and the food for those? Animals are pretty expensive.

Growing crops is a good idea, though.

[Gamer Ftw]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

How effective is hunting with a sharpened stick?

As for buying pigs and chickens, do they have the room and the food for those? Animals are pretty expensive.

Growing crops is a good idea, though.

Effective enough that it worked for early humans I suspect.

[MisterJB]

I don't know much about medieval society as I should but I doubt you could just hunt or plant wherever you pleased.
Any woods around Denerim likely belong to the crown and only Cailan can hunt there for sport. Likewise, Ferelden has freeholders who hold lands and pay allegiance to a Bann. It's likely only the freeholders can grow crops in their respective lands and must pay a tax in products to their Banns.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think it's more likely they belong to the Arl of Denerim. Which would be Howe, for most of the actual game.

[Gamer Ftw]

MisterJB wrote...

I don't know much about medieval society as I should but I doubt you could just hunt or plant wherever you pleased.
Any woods around Denerim likely belong to the crown and only Cailan can hunt there for sport. Likewise, Ferelden has freeholders who hold lands and pay allegiance to a Bann. It's likely only the freeholders can grow crops in their respective lands and must pay a tax in products to their Banns.

I have seen nothing in game that supports that Cailan or any of the nobles forbids anyone from hunting or that hunting is restricted.
And if you look around the alienage you can see little plots of land perfect for gardening.
Look behind the houses there is a scarecrow and what looks like cabbage.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 08 mai 2013 - 09:51 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Gamer Ftw wrote...


I have seen nothing in game that supports that Cailan or any of the nobles forbids anyone from hunting or that hunting is restricted.

The time period that current-day Thedas is roughly equivalent to indicated it to me. Peasants were not allowed to hunt on a lord's land. So in the absence of in-game evidence either way, I believe hunting is more likely to be restricted than not, especially under that bastard Howe.

As for gardening, that is indeed a good idea. The thing is that, as you say, they already seem to be doing it.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 mai 2013 - 09:58 .

[Gamer Ftw]

No proof of it.
And even if it was so I doubt he owns all the land outside the gates.
My point being there are a lot of things to be done in a food shortage instead of rioting so they murder your kids.
I suspect it has been done enough that they know what will happen.
I have seen real life riots and they destroy everyone and everything that gets in thier way even innocent people who had nothing to do with the problem.
If Anora was harsh,well they should have seen that coming.
The rest of the city had to be protected.
Also it didn't say the food shortage was confined to the alienage.
So,if all the lower class was short of food rioting wouldn't help at all anyway.
It was common in medieval times for peasants not to have enough to eat elf or not.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 08 mai 2013 - 10:08 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

No proof of it.

In a game that takes place in a roughly medieval setting, it seems to me that in the absence of evidence either way, hunting is probably restricted.

And even if it was so I doubt he owns all the land outside the gates.

In an actual feudal setting, such as Orlais, he would. The whole freeholder thing complicates things, but not to the elves benefit, since now they have to negotiate with a human landowner to be allowed to hunt on his property. What would you say in that situation?

My point being there are a lot of things to be done in a food shortage instead of rioting so they murder your kids.

It's easy to say there must have been another way from the outside, but if there was one the elves might well not have had the skills or resources.

I suspect it has been done enough that they know what will happen.
I have seen real life riots and they destroy everyone and everything that gets in thier way even innocent people who had nothing to do with the problem.
If Anora was harsh,well they should have seen that coming.
The rest of the city had to be protected.
Also it didn't say the food shortage was confined to the alienage.
So,if all the lower class was short of food rioting wouldn't help at all anyway.

As to whether Anora was justified, that's a little murkier. Somehow, Alistair manages to avert there being a riot in the first place. However he did that, Anora probably should have done the same. (Unless the riot simply doesn't happen due to Alistair's more approchable personality, in which case Anora was never going to manage it.) That said, once the riot starts there's basically one and only one option. 

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 mai 2013 - 10:17 .

[Gamer Ftw]

Or Alistair's handlers manage to avoid it,you never know.
I don't think Anora does it to just be a **** though,she doesn't seem to hate elves.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 08 mai 2013 - 10:18 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

He averts it hardened and alongside Anora. I kind of got the impression he was his own handler in that situation, if you don't count the more experienced wife he defers to when the situation calls for it.

Or, maybe Alistair's handlers did manage the situation properly, in which case Anora should have called them in even if ruling solo. If she's not going to succeed, and a minion is, she should use the minion.

As for Anora hating elves, I don't think that's the case. When they rule together, I get the epilogue slide saying that Alistair appointed an elven advisor, which according to her deal with the Warden Anora could have shot down if she'd wanted. (Alistair having this advisor might be what stops the riot, since I don't think they appear in the same epilogue under any circumstances.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 mai 2013 - 10:25 .

[Gamer Ftw]

But we have no idea why he succeeded maybe he whined at them until they ran way or something.
I refuse to believe a man that can't repair his own clothing can be an effective king.
Also off topic but why did they make a character who is supposed to be a romantic interest so damn ugly?
I don't even romance him and I have to mod him.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 08 mai 2013 - 10:28 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It might be because he had an elven adviser who told him how to stop the riot. It might be that he just persuaded the elves not to start one. It might be that nobody wants to rebel against a king who got there by being an effective knight. Or maybe you just don't rebel against a guy who you got tanked with just last week, though I admit that Anora couldn't really pull this approach...

And what does knowing how to fix a shirt have to do with being capable of ruling?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 mai 2013 - 10:35 .

[Gamer Ftw]

Well,if you nag someone else to do so simple a task what do you do when faced with really difficult decisions?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My answer would be to nag Anora to handle it. But that's just me.

[Gamer Ftw]

 At least Anora is pretty.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Absolutely.

[Gamer Ftw]

As I said I believe she wouldn't treat them differently if they were human.
She is just a ***
And back then they could do anything they wanted to servants.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 09 mai 2013 - 02:11 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Except that that's not supposed to be the case in Ferelden. In Ferelden, the nobility is supposed to be something the poor put up with because they technically need one, and they throw out the one they have if they act like jerks. Of course, we see full well in the CE origin that elves don't count as people for this purpose.

Edit: Since I've already tried to argue that we should tentatively go by real-world history in the absence of in-setting evidence, I should point out that this is in the flavor text for the Human Noble origin.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 09 mai 2013 - 03:33 .

[TEWR]

And she tries to force them to go get the dog despite how visibly terrified they are. It traces back to her.

She's an old ass woman. Would you ask your grandma to go bring in a rambunctious, rowdy, loud, and huge as **** dog?

Contrast to the Elves who are young, strong, and are capable of doing the more demanding labor. Sure, she's asking them to deal with a dangerous animal, but the Cousland child has specifically trained their dog to not harm anyone without sufficient provocation -- meaning the dog is attacked.

Again, only the humans in that scene have a jovial "good, old Nan" attitude. The elves have a very frightened, harried, cowering attitude when she's threatening them and trying to force them to handle a potentially dangerous attitude, and a very frustrated and put upon attitude after her rage is spent. They clearly don't like the way she treats them, so I doubt they have the same jovial "good, old Nan" attitude as her social superiors.

No, they don't. Immediately after the dog is dealt with they calm down considerably, such that the Elven male even commends the Mabari for dealing with the rat infestation.

I agree with JB. The fact that they're comfortable to voice their insults to Nan aloud, in the same room as her, shows that they're not afraid of her and that she very well is acting like good ol' Nan.

And if we're going to say "The Couslands are royal ****s to Elves" without any shred of evidence, I'd like to bring up Fergus' comments on a Cousland that woos Iona -- which are very lighthearted and not at all demeaning of either party -- and how Teyrna Eleanor is very cordial to Iona, such that she jokingly reprimands Lady Loren (whose lands rest in Cousland territory, though Lady Loren's husband is very fluid in his allegiances during the game and thus little loved) for her comments and that they'll turn Iona scarlet with embarassment.

I think if the Couslands really didn't consider Elves worth the time of day, Teyrna Eleanor would have no reservations about saying such things to an Elven woman who's the lady-in-waiting to a lesser noble.

Trying to isolate a root cause for why Highever may be worse then Denerim -- which I find incredibly hard to believe given that Denerim's Alienage has purges every week, plus popcorn -- is not a way to go, especially when trying to say it's due to Teyrn Cousland, a man we see for all of five minutes and don't even get his perspective on how the nation works other then that he's an ardent royalist.

I mean seriously, this is essentially "in the absence of evidence, blame the humans" right now.

Cousland is the one who can suggest whipping them but can't stand up for the elves whatsoever in any dialogue option. Canonically, there's a strong argument to be made for them not complaining to the Cousland because they know it wouldn't do any good because, as ejoslin has said (from the toolset), Cousland doesn't notice anything wrong with the way they're being treated.

Because Nan treats everyone like that. Cousland sees nothing wrong with it because it's Nan doing the talking. That's all she does. Blow hot air.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 mai 2013 - 07:28 .

[thats1evildude]

In reference to an earlier conversation, I would just note that Silas Corthwaite from Leliana's Song was imprisoned by Commander Raleigh for poaching, albeit unlawfully. (He says he should have received corporal punishment (ie. "lashes") for the crime.)

Although Leliana's Song may not be 100 per cent accurate in regards to Leliana's back story, it isn't out of the question to infer there are some somewhat serious consequences for poaching in Ferelden.